Mini 1349: Words with Scum (Game over!)

[Voidedmafia]

Where as I have been actually avoiding this thread?

When for the past 9 days you've only come in pretty much via prodding and not through trying to be proactive. No, whining about why DCL isn't dead doesn't count as content.

[whispersilk]

unvote

[Quilford]

Mod Announcement

I'm back home, guys. My "mod-V/LA" is over and I should be fully active for the rest of the game.

Game Board

Spoiler: AurorusVox's collect

AurorusVox collects tile I4...

Spoiler: whispersilk's flip

whispersilk flips tile B3...

Spoiler: DCLXVI's collect

DCLXVI collects tile B6...

Spoiler: Amrun's flip

Amrun flips tile F3...

Spoiler: vijay2vasandani's collect

vijay2vasandani collects tile H6...

Spoiler: Final Board & Activity Log

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Voidedmafia flipped tile A4, revealing a D.
AurorusVox flipped tile G6, revealing a W.
IceGuy flipped tile H6, revealing an O.
DLCXVI flipped tile B6, revealing an M.
MagnaofIllusion flipped tile B5, revealing an N.
vijay2vasandani flipped tile I4, revealing a G.
2minds1soul took tile I1, collecting an unknown...
Robocopter87 flipped tile F4, revealing an I. 
Lady Lambdadelta flipped tile D3, revealing an R.
Lady Lambdadelta took tile D3, collecting an R.
Robocopter87 took tile I5, collecting an unknown...
IceGuy took tile F4, collecting an I.
MagnaofIllusion took tile E1, collecting an unknown...
Voidedmafia took tile A4, collecting a D.
AurorusVox took tile I4, collecting a G.
whispersilk flipped tile B3, revealing an H.
DCLXVI took tile B6, collecting an M.
Amrun flipped tile F3, revealing an S.
vijay2vasandani took tile H6, collecting an O.

MagnaofIllusion has used both his daily flip and collect.
AurorusVox has used both his daily flip and collect.
IceGuy has used both his daily flip and collect.
Lady Lambdadelta has used both her daily flip and collect.
2minds1soul have used their daily collect.
Robocopter87 has used both his daily flip and collect.
whispersilk has used her daily flip.
DCLXVI has used both his daily flip and collect.
vijay2vasandani has used both his daily flip and collect.
Amrun has used her daily flip.
Voidedmafia has used both his daily flip and collect. 

--- DAY 1 ------------------------------------------------
MagnaofIllusion flipped tile E5, revealing an R.
Hoopla flipped tile K1, revealing a C.
Voidedmafia flipped tile K6, revealing an X.
Lady Lambdadelta flipped tile D4, revealing an N.
Lady Lambdadelta took tile D4, collecting an N.
Robocopter87 flipped tile J2, revealing a P.
Robocopter87 took tile J2, collecting a P.
IceGuy flipped tile A1, revealing a P.
vijay2vasandani flipped tile C4, revealing an R.
2minds1soul flipped tile H4, revealing a C.
AurorusVox flipped tile A6, revealing a T.
Amrun took tile A2, collecting an unknown...
DLCXVI flipped tile F6, revealing a D.
Amrun flipped tile B2, revealing a V.
Arugula flipped tile D2, revealing an M.
Hoopla took tile E5, collecting an R.
whispersilk flipped tile G2, revealing a Z.
AurorusVox took tile A1, collecting a P.
MagnaofIllusion took tile B2, collecting a V.
Voidedmafia took tile C4, collecting an R.
vijay2vasandani took tile K1, collecting a C.
whispersilk took tile D2, collecting an M.
2minds1soul took tile H4, collecting a C.
Arugula took tile C6, collecting an unknown...
DCLXVI took tile A6, collecting a T.
IceGuy took tile F6, collecting a D.

Day 2

IceGuy

(4) Voidedmafia, DCLXVI, MagnaofIllusion, Amrun

DCLXVI

(3) vijay2vasandani, Robocopter87, Lady Lambdadelta

vijay2vasandani

(1) AurorusVox

MagnaofIllusion

(1) IceGuy

Not Voting

(2) 2minds1soul, whispersilk

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. 

Deadline hits in (expired on 2012-07-19 01:18:09). 

Prodding 2minds1soul.

MoI has declared Limited Access during weekends.

[Voidedmafia]

Spoiler: summation of the board

Day 1:

LLD can possibly make either neighborize (NB) or Ninja (NJ).
Robocopter has 1 piece for Cop, CPR Doc, or PGO.
Amrun has 1 unknown
Hoopla has 1 piece for CPR and can possibly make RB
AV has 1 piece for Cop, CPR, and PGO like Robo
MoI has 1 piece for Vig and can possibly make VO
I have one piece for CPR and can possibly make RB like Hoop
Vijay and 2minds have 1 piece for Cop, CPR, and WTC, and can possibly make CM, DC, and LC.
Whisper has 1 piece for WHM, and can possibly make SM and CM
Arugula has 1 unknown
DCL has 1 piece for WTC and can possibly make TK
IceGuy has 1 piece for WKD and HID, and can possibly make DC

Day 2:

2Minds1Soul has one unknown piece.
LLD has 1 piece for CPR and can possibly make RB.
Robo has 1 unknown piece.
IceGuy has 1 piece for HID and VIG.
MoI has 1 unknown piece.
I have 1 piece for WKD and can possibly make DC.
AVox has 1 piece for Vig and PGO and can possibly make BG.
DCL has one pice for WHM and can possibly make CM and/or SM.
Amrun has 1 unknown piece.
Vijay has 1 piece for COP and PGO and can possibly make VO.

Possible word combos based on the tiles currently flipped are:
X, K6 - None
T, A6 - WTC, TK
Z, G2 - None
N, B5 - NB, NJ
W, G6 - WHM, WKD, WTC
H, B3 - HID, WHM
S, F3 - LS, SH, SM

[whispersilk]

Collect: B4

[IceGuy]

Looks like all collects are in.

Willing to lynch MoI, Voided, DCLXVI, Robo, Amrun, 2m1s in that order; first four for scumminess, last two for not contributing anything.

VOTE: DCLXVI

[DCLXVI]

So the entire scumteam is voting you ICE?

That's what your top three on your list seems to imply.

[IceGuy]

So the entire scumteam is voting you ICE?

That's what your top three on your list seems to imply.

If I'm willing to lynch six people in a game where it is known that there are only three scum, does that mean I'm calling the entire scumteam?

[whispersilk]

Ice, it looks like Amrun hasn't collected.

[IceGuy]

Ice, it looks like Amrun hasn't collected.

You're right - remembered her vote as a collect. Anyway, vote stands because it's just L-2.

[AurorusVox]

Guys I understand Dcl looked scummy earlier but if he was scum this day would have ended ages ago.
Vote vijay.

[AurorusVox]

Ps whisper he's town because he refused to play ball yesterday when he was run up to l-2 and for the post he made early today. I'll do quotes when I'm home.

[AurorusVox]

Dcl why do you admonish amrun for his vote on a person you suspect to be scum and whom you did not unvote?
I also don't like your response to my question about your gambit.

You're town so start acting like it because you're not making this easy.

And vote vijay.

[DCLXVI]

@auroros I admonished him for being careless. I want ice lynched. But it is still bad play to vote someone to l-1 and not realize it.

[MagnaofIllusion]

MoI, why single out Amrun for lack of content when she has been on Vacation?

Well the sarcastic part of me want to point out the following …

This thread needs

Amrun

to actually post some content as opposed to posting “Content coming” and disappearing from the thread while posting elsewhere.

2for1

also needs to do some posting

And say that the bolded hardly means I am singling her out …

That said I did address Amrun directly. She’s basically been AWOL for a good portion of Day 1 and all of today. So she definitely needed to come back and provide us some content which she said she would. Since then we’ve gotten basically “whelp, I got burned out doing catch-ups and did them everywhere but here” which pokes at both my scumdar and my rage button. Do you think I was wrong to hold her to her promise of content?

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@auroros I admonished him for being careless. I want ice lynched. But it is still bad play to vote someone to l-1 and not realize it.

That’s not the point … why did you do it? Do you think she is scummy for the vote? This isn't Road to Rome and Amrun doesn't need lessons on what is and what isn't bad play. She's very experienced.

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Willing to lynch MoI, Voided, DCLXVI, Robo, Amrun, 2m1s in that order; first four for scumminess, last two for not contributing anything.

VOTE: DCLXVI

So you would rather lynch myself and Voided before DCL because we are more scummy. Yet your vote just happens to land on the player third most likely to be scum per the above but who actually has a counterwagon …

Why am I not surprised ...

[IceGuy]

So you would rather lynch myself and Voided before DCL because we are more scummy. Yet your vote just happens to land on the player third most likely to be scum per the above but who actually has a counterwagon …

Why am I not surprised ...

Nobody up for lynching MoI? That's practically a scumclaim.

[DCLXVI]

can you explain how MoI just claimed scum. I don't see it.

[IceGuy]

can you explain how MoI just claimed scum. I don't see it.

He's taking normal town behavior (voting a player I'm willing to lynch who has a large wagon and a high possibility of getting lynched) and insinuating it makes me scum. This is not scumhunting in good faith, that's not even refined manipulation, this is a primitive attempt at trying to get my mislynch wagon through so his partner doesn't get lynched.

[whispersilk]

Day 2

>>>

DCLXVI

(5) vijay2vasandani, Robocopter87, MagnaofIllusion, Lady Lambdadelta, Voidedmafia

<<<

MagnaofIllusion

(2) IceGuy, AurorusVox

Robocopter87

(1) DCLXVI

Not Voting

(3) 2minds1soul, whispersilk, Amrun 

However, voided did that afterwords with blatant disregard to what I could have done if I was scum. I would say that this shows he is coming from a scum perspective because scum obviously do not have to worry about a townie self hammering. So if he were scum he would know that it would be safe to put me at L-1 which is a move that a townsperson should not make until everyone has collected.

Because at the time, the amount of damage that DCL-scum could do by self-hammering was getting to a point where it wouldn't exactly be a feasible option for him? Nearly 3/4ths of the playerlist have collected by now, so at this point you wouldn't be stopping a whole lot in that regard.

But if you insist:

Vote: IceGuy

VOTE: IceGuy

IG's AtE yesterday had me completely fooled

I’m having a hard time reconciling this Whisper. Here’s what I am seeing …

Yesterday you vote for Iceguy. He’s wagonned to L-2 and stays there for a bit before he begins his AtE and lurking.

You unvote and call him Town for “Townie reactions”. Yet now you are effectively saying Arugula’s reaction (keeping posting under pressure) was a Town reaction.

And today you call for a slowdown on DCL (who you said was a general scum read because he has had Townie reactions under fire. And then you completely re-assess Iceguy and vote him when there is no wagon momentum.

Do you expect Iceguy to actually get lynched over DCL? Frankly I’d rather Iceguy hang than DCL as I think the case on him is much stronger. But I do have a scum read on DCL and am not about to derail the wagon especially since the links between then (both calling each other scum today without voting each other) point to partnership when Iceguy isn’t really viable as a counter-wagon.

Frankly I’d rather Iceguy hang than DCL as I think the case on him is much stronger.

I agree. I'd much rather see ICEguy hang then myself.

VOTE: ICEguy

Yes. In the end, it boils down to three people who did not derail my wagon jumping on Arugula's wagon once it became the dominant one, none of them hammering me or putting me on L-1.

This is absurd. You are trying to present it as there was a mass exodus from your votes and then suddenly the Arugula wagon appeared independantly.

That's crap of the highest order. For those interested in what ACTUALLY happened here's my summary of vote flow AGAIN from Post 559 -

Whisper unvotes him at Post 374. At this point the wagon composition (as shown in Post 375 are such –

IceGuy (4) Arugula, Voidedmafia, MagnaofIllusion, Amrun
whispersilk (3) 2minds1soul, AurorusVox, Robocopter87
Arugula (2) DCLXVI, IceGuy
Hoopla (2) Lady Lambdadelta, vijay2vasandani
DCLXVI (1) Hoopla

Not Voting (1) whispersilk

So Iceguy has 4 votes, Whisper 3, and Arugula and Hoopla 2. Here’s what happens next and demonstrates to me why Iceguy is being bailed out by his partners.

Whisper votes for AV at Post 377. First line of evidence that she’s Town in my scenario … she chooses to vote a singleton and not fuel the coming mislynch.

At Post 384 AV directly asks Robo is he would lynch Arugula over Whisper to keep Iceguy from being lynched. Both are voting Whisper at this stage but moving to Arugula would make his wagon equal with Iceguy’s. At Post 385 Robo votes Arugula and Post 386 AV votes Arugula. It’s important this interchange for multiple reasons.

1. In Post 382 Robo lists both Ice and AV as Null reads with Arugula as Null-scum and Whisper as Scum. Why is Robo so eager to work with a Null read AV to save Null read Iceguy to lynch Null-scum Arugula over his previous most scummy read Whisper? I could understand if he was willing to work closely with a strong Town read but AV was Null to Robo. Furthermore we’ve never seen any explanation why suddenly Robo has Arugula as more likely scum than Whisper.

2. AV has pretty much been focusing on Whisper after giving Arugula some cursory focus very early in the day. Yet he’s suddenly willing to shift only after Whisper (who is scum to him) unvotes Iceguy. Note that this doesn’t change his read on Whisper at all (as evidenced by today and post-hammer).

So the timing of this two-step is suspicious as fuck.

DCL pops in and keeps his vote on Arugula while not really commenting on anything other than Hoopla voting him at Post 414.

Vijay drops a Arugula vote at Post 430. This moves Arugula ahead of Iceguy by a score of 5-3 (Arugula had already moved his vote to Robocopter by this point).

So in a grand total of 45 posts Arugula went from a wagon of 2 to a wagon of 5 (with a 2 vote clearance from Ice-scum). And this coincides with Iceguy having been at L-2 for over 100 posts and his AtE flailing as a last ditch effort to keep away from the noose.

Couple that with Iceguy’s scummy play that got him that L-2 wagon in the first place Day 1 and you have the clear recipe for scum bailing out their partner ..

Iceguy can't actually argue any of the above so he keeps pretending repeating "WAK ITS ABSURD" like a brain damaged parrot is refutation of my theory.

VOTE: Iceguy

This should have happened yesterday as opposed to that terribad wagon on Arugula ...

This thread needs Amrun to actually post some content as opposed to posting “Content coming” and disappearing from the thread while posting elsewhere.

2for1 also needs to do some posting

I think it is pretty clear that Iceguy is playing 100% reactive. When he is under pressure he does exactly what he accuses me of doing … walling with said person in an attempt to start a War of Attrition.He did it with me yesterday and now he is doing the same with Whisper.

When he’s not under direct scrutiny he’s lurking and fluffing (look at his posts when DCL was wagonned) as opposed to scum-hunting.

We simply need two more votes and we can correct the mistake that was made yesterday in letting him off the hook …

Let's lynch MoI today.

VOTE: MoI

[Voidedmafia]

can you explain how MoI just claimed scum. I don't see it.

He's taking normal town behavior (voting a player I'm willing to lynch who has a large wagon and a high possibility of getting lynched) and insinuating it makes me scum. This is not scumhunting in good faith, that's not even refined manipulation, this is a primitive attempt at trying to get my mislynch wagon through so his partner doesn't get lynched.

...Still not a scumclaim.

Whisper: Don't see it. Why should I lynch MoI?

[IceGuy]

...Still not a scumclaim.

So, what do you think of it?

[IceGuy]

Oh, and

UNVOTE:
VOTE: MoI

Let's get this going.

[Voidedmafia]

...Still not a scumclaim.

So, what do you think of it?

...It looks just like how MoI described it?

(Well, not anymore since you just voted MoI, but)

[IceGuy]

...It looks just like how MoI described it?

So you consider it scummy to vote for anybody but your top suspect?

[Robocopter87]

Not a scumclaim persay.

However, I have reviewed MoI's play, and though I don't think he is super scummy, I can definitely see why we want him lynched.

What I'm saying is. He is Null-Scum to me. Yet still a totally viable lynch for today.

I'm willing to wagon. This does not mean I no longer suspect DCL. I want DCL dead. But it probably isn't the best bet for today. (Not because he looks town. But because AV is killing my wagon with a trident.)

UNVOTE: DCL
VOTE: MoI