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[Yates]

This isn't because you are, um, scum with PV, is it?

Yeah. It is. We were chatting in QT and I was like "Dude - imma go out there and say you are my scum buddy so no one votes for us. Profit?"

OR - it's because that's how this works. Everybody needs to be on record with at least one read. It's clear to me you guys didn't want to be responsible for scum reads out of fear of NOU voting so we can do it the opposite way. Just name ONE person you will NOT be voting for.

We can go from there.

[HezLucky]

This isn't because you are, um, scum with PV, is it?

Yeah. It is. We were chatting in QT and I was like "Dude - imma go out there and say you are my scum buddy so no one votes for us. Profit?"

OR - it's because that's how this works. Everybody needs to be on record with at least one read. It's clear to me you guys didn't want to be responsible for scum reads out of fear of NOU voting so we can do it the opposite way. Just name ONE person you will NOT be voting for.

We can go from there.

Why should I? This gives information to the scum without really advancing any sort of discussion.

[Scott Brosius]

This isn't because you are, um, scum with PV, is it?

Yeah. It is. We were chatting in QT and I was like "Dude - imma go out there and say you are my scum buddy so no one votes for us. Profit?"

OR - it's because that's how this works. Everybody needs to be on record with at least one read. It's clear to me you guys didn't want to be responsible for scum reads out of fear of NOU voting so we can do it the opposite way. Just name ONE person you will NOT be voting for.

We can go from there.

Why should I? This gives information to the scum without really advancing any sort of discussion.

Not doing this either. It essentially directs the scum NK assuming we even get to that point, and reveals to them who can be mislynched the easiest.

Yates has acted quite peculiar today.

[Yates]

Why should I? This gives information to the scum without really advancing any sort of discussion.

Not doing this either. It essentially directs the scum NK assuming we even get to that point, and reveals to them who can be mislynched the easiest.

Are you both retarded or scum partners?

1. "This gives information to the scum?"
Really? What sort of information does it give scum? Does it let the scum know who is Town because - you know - they already HAVE that information.
What it *does* do is it gives TOWN information. And right now, we need all the information we can get.

2. "without really advancing any sort of discussion?"
Really? How does sitting around saying nothing "advance discussion?"
What this *does* do is hold you accountable for a read and possibly remove ONE name from the suspect pool. That is a GOOD thing.

3. And this is the dumbest thing said of all; "It essentially directs the scum NK assuming we even get to that point..."
Do you understand the position we are in? How can we possibly "direct scum" when we HAVE to lynch scum today - like, RIGHT NOW - or we lose? If we no lynch, we lose. If we lynch Town, we lose. We aren't going to get to night phase unless we lynch scum. Period. So that is a TERRIBLE assumption and one that you can't even pretend to be making.

So how do you two geniuses suggest we find the last two scum?

Honestly, I'm probably going to vote one of you two based on the sheer stupidity of your purported "stance" on this.

[Yates]

Yates has acted quite peculiar today.

And this, btw, is a super scummy statement. Way to toss an accusation at someone without committing on anything.

[Scott Brosius]

It gives scum information on the current pulse of the game. Obviously the scum know who is town and who isn't, the information they glean who is the town THINKS is town. That is important information especially with two days of LYLO. It leads them towards more feasible mislynches. Seeing who everyone won't vote for today is useless to me, as half of the remaining players are scum. So they could feasibly be lying anyway. Divulging that information provides no benefit to town, and some benefit to scum.

The more feasible mislynch part is more concerning to me, especially in this kind of game where nobody is obviously town.

Announcing townreads at this point is counterproductive.

[PeregrineV]

The more feasible mislynch part is more concerning to me, especially in this kind of game where nobody is obviously town.

Let's start here. I mentioned I had a problem earlier in the game that I had many town reads and not many scum reads. You are now saying you have the opposite.
So, without voting, go ahead and talk about why each player is scum.

[PeregrineV]

It gives scum information on the current pulse of the game. Obviously the scum know who is town and who isn't, the information they glean who is the town THINKS is town. That is important information especially with two days of LYLO. It leads them towards more feasible mislynches. Seeing who everyone won't vote for today is useless to me, as half of the remaining players are scum. So they could feasibly be lying anyway. Divulging that information provides no benefit to town, and some benefit to scum.

The more feasible mislynch part is more concerning to me, especially in this kind of game where nobody is obviously town.

Announcing townreads at this point is counterproductive.

Also, at this point, if scum thought you were "too town", you'd already be dead, or you are scum. Giving townreads does nothing to help them.

[Yates]

Also, at this point, if scum thought you were "too town", you'd already be dead, or you are scum. Giving townreads does nothing to help them.

Logic 1 - SB 0

[Yates]

That is important information especially with

two days

of LYLO

"Two days??" You understand there is no tomorrow unless we lynch scum TODAY, right?

Yeah. Scum will know who everyone remaining thinks is the most Town. I get that. BUT - guess what? Scum also knows everyone's roles now. That's why you do this in LYLO. It's the same logic that applies to full claims in LYLO. You put the information out there now because at this point it does the TOWN more good than the scum. If this information leads to our "Towniest" read getting NKed then guess what? Huzzah! We at least made it to tomorrow which means we caught scum! We have a 3-2 advantage today and would have a 2-1 advantage tomorrow. So how is that bad?

[HezLucky]

- Yates behaviour has been so, so strange today.
- Yates is not scum with Scott Brosius. If Scott Brosius is scum, his post referring to Yates reads more like "I'm setting up a mislynch" rather than "I'm bussing my buddy at LYLO for town cred"
- Speaking of setting up mislynches, Vijay was doing that with my claim earlier - he didn't quite want to full-on commit to the "Hez is scum because he claimed a role from a show that's already here" position, but was tip-toeing around it - almost as if to see what others thought. My town read on Vijay is now gone. Completely disappeared.
- PeregrineV still has not town-told once in this entire game. My case on him has not changed one bit -- but we are at LyLo and he has taken next to no initiative. Vijay and Scott Brosius (one of them is probably scum) are evaluating claims trying to determine which direction to go, and Yates is --- well, I don't know what Yates is doing --- but he's doing something. PeregrineV is here. But he's in the shadows.
- This means we have one scum MAX in Yates/SB and one scum MINIMUM in PereV/Vijay.

- So? The PereV/Vijay pairing has only gone through my head starting today. Vijay has spent nearly the entirity of the game tunneling on Yates. HOWEVER, I'm not usually wrong about my townreads -- I think. Oh god. Now's not the time to lack confidence. If I'm alive tomorrow I will re-evaluate, but today we are going with what I've wanted this whole time. My only confident read.

Possible scum pairings:

P/S - absolutely, but this would require me to be right about all my reads the moment I walked in -- and after a recent game I don't have the confidence for that.
P/V - have thought about this starting today. It is starting to read as extremely likely.
P/Y - if this is the case PereV needs to be lynched first. I'm not about to lose this game to obvscum PereV.
S/V - This just seems unlikely.
S/Y - Completely unlikely. In fact, if Scott Brosius is scum he is probably scum with PeregrineV.
V/Y - Possible if I am wrong about PereV. This would indicate they have been tunneling back and forth all game.

Scott Brosius is scum only if he's scum with PeregrineV.
Yates is scum with PeregrineV if
If Vijay is scum? Probably with PeregrineV.

I'm either tunneling or I'm right. Time to be right.

Vote: PeregrineV

[HezLucky]

AM I ALIVE BECAUSE I'M WRONG?

(((((((((((((((((((

[HezLucky]

No, fuck it. Everyone hop on.

HEZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZWAVRE

[HezLucky]

The more feasible mislynch part is more concerning to me, especially in this kind of game where nobody is obviously town.

Let's start here. I mentioned I had a problem earlier in the game that I had many town reads and not many scum reads. You are now saying you have the opposite.
So, without voting, go ahead and talk about why each player is scum.

Oh wow Scott Brosius feels the same way about this game that I do.

Die Perescum.

[Yates]

I will not be voting for PV

[Yates]

Oh wow Scott Brosius feels the same way about this game that I do.

Die Perescum.

This makes no sense. What does the fact SB feels the same way you do have to do with PV being scum? In fact, you quoted an absolutely reasonable question.

Also, you are probably alive because you are wrong on your reads. Or, you are scum. It's pretty easy. What's interesting to me about VJ being alive is that if he's Town, he's probably alive for his tunnel on me. So VJ Town alive - makes sense. Yates Town alive makes sense by proxy. [Scum hoping one of us votes for the other is so obv.]

SB has not been very strong on his reads. Why is SB alive?
Hez has only been strong on his PV scum read. So Hez Town would mean PV Town [and you should unvote now!] in order to get a PV mislynch.

Actually, the only person not making any sense right now in terms of why he is alive or content of posts is SB. I am going to be voting SB.

[PeregrineV]

@Hez- You're tunneling.

@Yates-I haven't picked up anyone tunneling on you. I'll check V2V's ISO, but do you have posts that might point to that?

@Scott- Can you link me to other games where you were town and scum? My only other game with you had you posting *more* than now. I wish to resolve this difference in my mind.

@V2V- Complete reads please. You can even do it Hez style if you wish.

[Scott Brosius]

Vijay needs to check in.

It's WIFOMy that you are trying to figure out why people are alive. That line of thinking is pretty much only useful when someone has been overly town and still alive at this point (wondering why scum left them alive when everyone feels they are town). There is nobody in this situation in this game, nobody is extremely town out of the five of us.

The announcing of who you are not going to vote is still stupid, but that line of discussion is becoming more of a distraction than anything.

I need to gloss over the last few days again to see if I can pick up anything.

[Scott Brosius]

@Hez- You're tunneling.

@Yates-I haven't picked up anyone tunneling on you. I'll check V2V's ISO, but do you have posts that might point to that?

@Scott- Can you link me to other games where you were town and scum? My only other game with you had you posting *more* than now. I wish to resolve this difference in my mind.

@V2V- Complete reads please. You can even do it Hez style if you wish.

scum

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=19656

town

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=17900

[HezLucky]

PV/SB has picked up slightly in my mind.

My Yates/SB being the one impossible scum pairing also makes sense because they would have quickhammered by now they are both online.

I feel good about my vote but Vijay REALLY needs to check in.

[Yates]

@Yates-I haven't picked up anyone tunneling on you. I'll check V2V's ISO, but do you have posts that might point to that?

I can go in reverse order?

I popcorn to Yates.

You have to figure VJ going first means he is going to popcorn to the person he is most suspicious of, yes? When VJ logs in, he can confirm/deny and remove any "WIFOM" from my logic in order to make SB happy.

And how about this inte, we lynch Yates. If he's town, lynch me. If he's scum, we lynch you.

This is from the last time we voted [other than no lynch]. Though, now that I look at it, why would you vote for him if I flipped Town if he *IS* in fact Town? There's no way Town would follow through on that. I have to give this some more thought. If I get NKed and VJ is still alive, take this under consideration.

...I just want to say that PV, Yates and Inte have our scum in them.

Setting me up for the above.

I will vote for Split, PV or Yates.

Shows he's at least consistent.

Yates you can still be scum, but maybe after this.

Now trust me on this. Yates is scum. I'm sure.

That's just for the past few days. To VJ's credit, he hasn't been laserbeam focused on getting me lynched but he throws that up as an option for each lynch opportunity. So if you don't want to call it "tunnelling" you can at least say that we have been back and forth enough and casting enough suspicion at each other. I think this is the first phase I haven't called VJ outright scum and vice versa. Though now I'm starting to reconsider an SB/VJ scum team.

[Yates]

S/V - This just seems unlikely.

Look above and then tell me why I'm wrong about the possibility of an SB/VJ scum team?

Also, please unvote. What if the only reason PV isn't dead is because VJ isn't here to coordinate a double hammer?

[HezLucky]

Unvote

BUT CONSIDER THIS A PERMANENT VOTE ON YOU PV

[PeregrineV]

Unvote

BUT CONSIDER THIS A PERMANENT VOTE ON YOU PV

Then why bother unvoting?

[HezLucky]

You expect 100% confidence out of me right now?

Antagonizing me at LyLo is not the way to play, regardless of whatever you are.