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[Bitmap]

Unvote, Vote:Bitmap

You concede that there was one scummy post in the first place?

Where did I say that?

I just asked for him to point out which posts that he thought were scummy. How does one defend themselves from an ambiguous attack?

You said that here:

I'm lost. Where's the second scrummy post?

You acknowledged that you'd already made one scummy post, and wanted to know what the second was.

@ Bitmap
See above, but worse for being fourth.

What's scummy about me wanting a wagon on a player that hadn't posted?

My post was there for you to see. Explain how you could, at the same time, join the wagon I called for, and call it scummy

after

andrew94 expressed some problem with my post.

I just thought it was scummy for you to do that this early. I "joined the wagon" apparently cause I made a random vote due to his avatar during RVS.

So, why did you decide to switch from one random vote to another? Coincidentally, moving your vote to the person with a growing wagon?

I was trying to think from your perspective and saw one possible post that you would think is scummy. I couldn't follow what you were thinking the second one was.

I switched my random vote because I found the guy's avatar to be ironically hilarious. And yeah, that's it. I honestly didn't realize that the wagon was already growing. Yeah, bad excuse, but it really was the reason. I tend to overlook things, a lot.

[Bitmap]

@DLG:

I overlooked that I was the fourth vote. And it seemed scummy since it was a really early wagon on page 1.

[DLG]

@ inte
I'd like an answer to my question to you in post 20, as well.

Also, is your implication simply that Greywing and RachMarie are sheeping?

I want an answer to these. There's a fine line between being audaciously contrary, and just ignoring things until they become dated.

yes, lets hear some thoughts on Bitmap

Including yours, please.

[DLG]

And it seemed scummy since it was a really early wagon on page 1.

This is going to devolve into a theory deabte. I'm not interested. I don't think wagons are inherently scummy. I think they are inherently Town beneficial.

Please address my other concerns/questions.

[Bitmap]

@ inte
I'd like an answer to my question to you in post 20, as well.

Also, is your implication simply that Greywing and RachMarie are sheeping?

I want an answer to these. There's a fine line between being audaciously contrary, and just ignoring things until they become dated.

yes, lets hear some thoughts on Bitmap

Including yours, please.

The problem with inte is that he never actually "actively" helps the town. His posts are extremely short and you can never get a good read. He reminds me of roflcopter.

[Bitmap]

And it seemed scummy since it was a really early wagon on page 1.

This is going to devolve into a theory deabte. I'm not interested. I don't think wagons are inherently scummy. I think they are inherently Town beneficial.

Please address my other concerns/questions.

Your first point, I made 3-4 posts. I wanted to know the 1 out of 3 the second one was.

For your second point,

@Bitmap:

Really? Two scummy posts this early?

DLG's vote was blatant reaction-fishing. Fact is, you questioned his vote while also voting the same person. That's wierd.

VOTE: Bitmap

Sorry, I mean't to say reaction-fishing.

[DLG]

The problem with inte is that he never actually "actively" helps the town. His posts are extremely short and you can never get a good read. He reminds me of roflcopter.

Are you an alt? Your join date doesn't seem to support this kind of reference. I don't even care if you out yourself, but that might be helpful.

I aknowledge that you've supplied answers to my questions, but I'm unimpressed that so much is being cast off to "mistakes".

The fourth vote on the McStab wagon, the role-fishing versus reaction fishing.

Either way, I'm not going to convince you that you got a scum role PM. Time for others to weigh in. My conclusion is that you're scum.

[Nobody Special]

Votecount 1.02

Bitmap - 5 - DLG, Greywing, RachMarie, McStab, andrew94
RachMarie - 4 - drmyshotgun, BK201, Near, DoubleJD
andrew94 - 1- Hyperion
DLG - 1 - JohnnyFarrar
Greywing - 1 - inte
McStab - 1 - Bitmap

Not Voting: ...

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

V/LA: RachMarie through Saturday July 14

Deadline: (expired on 2012-08-01 03:51:02)

[Bitmap]

The problem with inte is that he never actually "actively" helps the town. His posts are extremely short and you can never get a good read. He reminds me of roflcopter.

Are you an alt? Your join date doesn't seem to support this kind of reference. I don't even care if you out yourself, but that might be helpful.

I aknowledge that you've supplied answers to my questions, but I'm unimpressed that so much is being cast off to "mistakes".

The fourth vote on the McStab wagon, the role-fishing versus reaction fishing.

Either way, I'm not going to convince you that you got a scum role PM. Time for others to weigh in. My conclusion is that you're scum.

I'm not an alt but I got inte in some of my games. I understand that my "mistakes" does not pardon them.

[Bitmap]

Actually DLG, I have a question for you.

If I flip town and vise versa, who do you suspect the most?

[DLG]

Eh, that's tough, because I don't really like looking for connections pre-flip.

But, if you were mod-confirmed Town at this instant, I'd look at Greywing and RachMarie, for the sheeping of my attack on you. McStab's vote didn't seem particularly scummy, and I really do like andrew94's vote.

Still want an answer from Hyperion about that, but he hasn't posted, yet.

If you were mod-confirmed scum at this instant, I'm going to defer on answering, because I have outstanding questions that could impact those reads.

Assuming you're Town, for a minute, who's scum on your wagon? Or, anywhere else?

I'm out for the night. Be back around tomorrow.

[Bitmap]

Eh, that's tough, because I don't really like looking for connections pre-flip.

But, if you were mod-confirmed Town at this instant, I'd look at Greywing and RachMarie, for the sheeping of my attack on you. McStab's vote didn't seem particularly scummy,

and I really do like andrew94's vote.

Still want an answer from Hyperion about that, but he hasn't posted, yet.

If you were mod-confirmed scum at this instant, I'm going to defer on answering, because I have outstanding questions that could impact those reads.

Assuming you're Town, for a minute, who's scum on your wagon? Or, anywhere else?

I'm out for the night. Be back around tomorrow.

So you say you support andrew's vote but think that Greywig and RachMarie are just sheeping?

Let's look at the past posts.

bandwagon his ass

unvote vote bitmap

You are really supporting THIS post out of all the other votes on me? Are you serious? Rach at least gave 2 paragraphs explaining her argument to why I possibly might be scum. Grey pointed out that your post is reaction-fishing me. However, you support the guy who posts NO reason to why he voted for me besides "Hurrr durr I'ma bandwagon like a Smurf."

Yeah, no.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: DLG

Edited language. ~~NS

[DLG]

You are really supporting THIS post out of all the other votes on me? Are you serious? Rach at least gave 2 paragraphs explaining her argument to why I possibly might be scum. Grey pointed out that your post is reaction-fishing me. However, you support the guy who posts NO reason to why he voted for me besides "Hurrr durr I'ma bandwagon like a tard."

Oh, I'm so glad I hadn't logged out, yet. This is too rich.

Re-read me and Greywing. His point, which was correct, is that I was looking for reactions from McStab, not you.

There is fundamentally no difference between my vote on McStab and calling for a wagon and andrew94 voting you. Both are about ramping up pressure to look for reactions. andrew94 didn't feel any need to disguise his vote. Note the difference between "bandwagon his ass" and "lynch his ass".

I suppose you're gonna try to dismiss this as just another "mistake". Take your OMGUS vote and shove it down your scummy throat.

[Greywing]

So you say you support andrew's vote but think that Greywig and RachMarie are just sheeping?

Let's look at the past posts.

bandwagon his ass

unvote vote bitmap

You are really supporting THIS post out of all the other votes on me? Are you serious? Rach at least gave 2 paragraphs explaining her argument to why I possibly might be scum. Grey pointed out that your post is reaction-fishing me. However, you support the guy who posts NO reason to why he voted for me besides "Hurrr durr I'ma bandwagon like a tard."

Yeah, no.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: DLG

Andrew's vote is most likely Town-aligned since I highly doubt scum would draw attention to themselves like that. Rach's vote is the most suspicious, since she's the only one who hasn't come up with her own points. For now though, she remains a null read. The wagon on her is interesting though.

DLG's leaning Town for me right now, and your case is flawed. Bitscum needs more votes.

[Greywing]

Sure, DLG. I go to all that effort ripping him apart, and you post it before me .

[DoubleJD]

Thats a lot of posts!

@Dlg:

Ya you're right. UNVOTE: VOTE: rachmarie, beause you're piggy backing and wrote two paragraphs to defend what still amounts to a RV

This seems reasonable. But, what prompted you to point this out? What changed between here and here?

No it doesnt? Town and scum would both do this as a third vote on a wagon. Its another RV from me;

cleverly hidden

by OMGUS.

I like grey and gunny as town. DLG town for thinking so as well and thinking bit might be an alt. That seems like a genuine town conclusion/question. Bit's wagon started from nothing (the initial reasons are reaction testing at best), and got a ton of support. However, i dont see reason to think shes scum. Theres too many silent ppl to wagon her this fast when we all know her join date.

Also UNVOTE:

[JohnnyFarrar]

I don't like it when you two team up...

I have a tentative townread on Bitmap right now, just sayin. Weaker townread on DLG as well.

[Bitmap]

For the record, I'm not an alt. You can ask NS to prove it.

[Bitmap]

Also, I noticed something. DLG and Greywing have been tunneling me really hard lately. And the fact that you two don't mind working together to get rid of me ticks that you two might know more than us. I mean as town, you wouldn't buddy/buddy so easily there.

I'm fairly content with my vote and you can shove that OMGUS claim up your scum butthole.

[DLG]

Sure, DLG. I go to all that effort ripping him apart, and you post it before me .

Heh, timing. It's one reason why I think sheeping accusations are not incredibly reliable. Even when the timeframe is larger, a player who posts less often can be caught by having to say the same things others have already posted.

No it doesnt? Town and scum would both do this as a third vote on a wagon. Its another RV from me;

cleverly hidden

by OMGUS.

Noted. Like I said, how/when/why on votes matters.

Also, I noticed something. DLG and Greywing have been tunneling me really hard lately. And the fact that you two don't mind working together to get rid of me ticks that you two might know more than us. I mean as town, you wouldn't buddy/buddy so easily there.

I'm fairly content with my vote and you can shove that OMGUS claim up your scum butthole.

You're right. The OMGUS accusation was inaccurate.

I'll bullet the basics from my point of view later today.

That tunneling thing, though, I have issues with. Mostly because it's untrue. Also, pressure is not tunneling and resorting to that kind of defense seems weak.

[Greywing]

I like grey and gunny as town. DLG town for thinking so as well and thinking bit might be an alt. That seems like a genuine town conclusion/question. Bit's wagon started from nothing (the initial reasons are reaction testing at best), and got a ton of support. However, i dont see reason to think shes scum. Theres too many silent ppl to wagon her this fast when we all know her join date.

Also UNVOTE:

If you're not seeing Bitscum, is there anyone on his wagon that looks scummy? Also, Bit's played in a few games already, so I think the join date's irrelevant at this point.

Also, I noticed something. DLG and Greywing have been tunneling me really hard lately. And the fact that you two don't mind working together to get rid of me ticks that you two might know more than us. I mean as town, you wouldn't buddy/buddy so easily there.

I'm fairly content with my vote and you can shove that OMGUS claim up your scum butthole.

Yes, because the fact that both DLG and myself have a scum read on you clearly means we're buddying scum .

[DoubleJD]

Not particularly. I dont expect many scum to be on it anyway just because its a super early wagon. Whats more interesting to me, is the people not interested in it at all. Like mr bk201 for example.

VOTE: bk201, talk to me baby. Whatcha thinking about? Are you pro or anti bit!

[Hyperion]

Ya you're right. UNVOTE: VOTE: rachmarie, beause you're piggy backing and wrote two paragraphs to defend what still amounts to a RV

Missed this on my first read through, why did you wait until being told by Rachmarie that it was real vote time to make a real vote?


And @DLG: I know you said yo asked a question, but I can't find it what was it?

[Nobody Special]

UberNinja replaces andrew94 effective immediately.

[Hyperion]

Not particularly. I dont expect many scum to be on it anyway just because its a super early wagon. Whats more interesting to me, is the people not interested in it at all. Like mr bk201 for example.

VOTE: bk201, talk to me baby. Whatcha thinking about? Are you pro or anti bit!

This was supposed to go into the above post too but I forgot, lurker pressure, really?
UNVOTE:
VOTE: DoubleJD