Mini 1348- Dragon Ball Z: Saiyan Saga Mafia (Game Over)

[mcqueen]

Ok, after a quick lil skim, why was Benmage even lynched? I didn't even notice him at all during Day 1, nor did I notice BK201.

Also, I find it odd Thor556 votes syndromeofadawn, as basing off the one time I've played with him, he would have been voting me right away. His syndromeofadawn vote seems very out of place.

On this note, Thor556 has not made

any

real mention of me while I've been here, which is very strange. Normally, he'd be calling out a lot of my ideas or theories by now. It gives me the feeling he's holding back, so I don't catch on.

Another theory I have, although I am less certain on, is that syndromeofadawn is buddies with Thor556, and syndromeofadawn made the suggestion to frame me last night (meaning she remembers Worst Role Mafia). Then she suggested Thor556 stay clear of me (or something of the sort), meaning she again remembers Worst Role Mafia, I almost had scum nailed Day 7, and if I had of been alive Day 8, game would have been over. So, just to make it easy to do these things, Thor556 slightly bussed syndromeofadawn, by voting her.

[Toro]

Just to introduce myself into the game with my knowledge of the flavor, I've been watching DBZ since it first aired on Toonami and I'm more familiar with the early sagas. I believe I should have a very good grasp on what we're dealing with this game. Going to do another quick skim of the end of D1 and then I'll be ready to go. Until then, feel free to leave any questions.

[Thor665]

You got your competing wagons that you wished. Now I’d like you to spill all the useful information you got from them.

Oh pish and posh - you're basing a case on me off them - you fully understand what info is out there from a competing wagon.

On this note, Thor556 has not made

any

real mention of me while I've been here, which is very strange. Normally, he'd be calling out a lot of my ideas or theories by now. It gives me the feeling he's holding back, so I don't catch on.

It's because I think you're obv. town and would otherwise like to spare myself your thoughts.

[Yates]

Yates my problem is that there is little reason for scum to drive a flash-wagon on Benmage like that so close to deadline if you are Town.

Can you explain this a little further? I agree with role fishing as one possibility. I have to go back and take a look at how the wagon hopping went down. My feeling is that the scum had their votes split for a while and all it took was one to move to whichever wagon had the better traction. In which case, my theory stands up to scrutiny unless I am missing something?

PE:@Thor - what makes mcqueen obvtown?

[Yates]

Another theory I have, although I am less certain on, is that syndromeofadawn is buddies with Thor556, and syndromeofadawn made the suggestion to frame me last night (meaning she remembers Worst Role Mafia).

First, I have Thor as obv Town. Also, Thor has YOU as obv Town [for reasons to be explained?]. Finally, how are you being framed? Are you saying *MY* post is framing you? If so, shouldn't you be suspicious of me over Thor or syndrome? This logic isn't making sense to me so please explain.

[PeregrineV]

Holy hell, re-reading.

Why not unvote when first entering? As town, it's the same thing to do. As scum, it's the town-looking thing to do.

you might not but im protecting acosmist

He died. What's up with this?

I'm cheesed that syndrome is so popular all of a sudden, but I'm not sure what I'm going to do about it yet.

Is being cheesed good or bad?

Doesn't matter what Yates alignment is

PV pretty much ignored the Yates wagon and hopped on Ben at end of day when Yates was by far the better lynch

He is scum

Uh, no. And defending Ben-town has to be done before he is lynched. Doing it afterwards makes you look illogical.

But why let that stop you:

The point is PV can't have cared too much if Yates is lynched;

I didn't care a whole lot.

he pretty much ignored the wagon so he should have voted Yates not Ben who hadnt claimed.

If I voted Yates, I would not be ignoring him, would I? I didn't want to lynch Aco, you or Yates yesterday. Hence, my vote went to Ben, who I was expecting a lot more posting from.

The scumlogic behind this is he wants Yates vs me today so Ben is better lynch for him OR Yates is scum with him

Didn't you have your vs Yates thing yesterday? If you want to continue that today, feel free. In which case, I hope you change your arguing tactics. "He didn't believe my claim." is a stupid reason.

But either way PV is scum.

My PM says otherwise.

Also, I find it odd Thor556 votes syndromeofadawn, as basing off the one time I've played with him, he would have been voting me right away. His syndromeofadawn vote seems very out of place.

You could ask him. I hear he speaks English fairly well.

On this note, Thor556 has not made any real mention of me while I've been here, which is very strange. Normally, he'd be calling out a lot of my ideas or theories by now. It gives me the feeling he's holding back, so I don't catch on.

I'll chock this to mcqueen-Thor meta and just say "ask him".

Another theory I have, although I am less certain on, is that syndromeofadawn is buddies with Thor556, and syndromeofadawn made the suggestion to frame me last night (meaning she remembers Worst Role Mafia). Then she suggested Thor556 stay clear of me (or something of the sort), meaning she again remembers Worst Role Mafia, I almost had scum nailed Day 7, and if I had of been alive Day 8, game would have been over. So, just to make it easy to do these things, Thor556 slightly bussed syndromeofadawn, by voting her.

I don't get this. And I usually have logic that makes little sense, but I'm I repeating this correctly?
Scum-Thor is trying to lynch town-mcqueen by voting scumbuddy-Syndrome, which will make town-mcqueen look scummy.

If that's correct, I don't get it. If it's not, please rephrase.

@Toro- Sure.
1. Why no unvote.
2. Agent was personifying the scum ideal. What will you do to show that he/you are, in fact, not scum?
3. Town and scum reads so far, and why.

[PeregrineV]

EBWOP

Why not unvote when first entering? As town, it's the

same

thing to do. As scum, it's the town-looking thing to do.

*Safe

[MagnaofIllusion]

Anyways, lmao, nice one scum, trying to frame me. I really should of saw that coming... except that I didn't expect it to happen on Day 2. Usually they wait until near endgame.

So you are calling Yates scum trying to set you up. Yet you don’t vote …

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Oh pish and posh - you're basing a case on me off them - you fully understand what info is out there from a competing wagon.

Really? I don’t recall making a case on you … why so jumpy?

I’m not kidding though … what do you draw from the competing wagons. The “you can understand it yourself” isn’t cutting it. You specifically said wagonning Benmage was good for that reason. I want YOUR conclusions.

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Can you explain this a little further? I agree with role fishing as one possibility. I have to go back and take a look at how the wagon hopping went down. My feeling is that the scum had their votes split for a while and all it took was one to move to whichever wagon had the better traction. In which case, my theory stands up to scrutiny unless I am missing something?

No, this really does not reflect the realities of what happened yesterday. After the Acosmist wagon disappated due to his claim you were the only wagon of any strength. There were several on and offs around the time I replaced but IIRC you were at L-1 or L-2 the entire time without any other wagon larget than L-4. Then the Benmage wagon appeared grew in what … the last 72 hours of the day.

Again … even if scum wanted to give one more shot at rolefishing sticking their necks out to wagon Benmage doesn’t seem like a win for them if you and Slandaar are both Town (and my whole premise is driven by my Slandaar Town read) and they have gotten 2 VT claims and a Town Cop claim.

The wagon on Benmage has all the earmarks of a last desperate attempt to save you. Your abrupt change in tone today when I don’t immediately vote you (yesterday you were basically calling me a scummy moron and said either Ben or I was the best bet for scum) speaks volumes about what I think your alignment is. If you were Town who thought either I or Benmage were scum based on Day 1 and Benmage flipped Town (after I hammered him)

The vote on Snifit has served it’s purpose. Back to wagonning scum.

VOTE: Yates

[mcqueen]

@Thor556 - lol?

@Yates - No, scum are trying to frame me, by killing Acosmist. I'm just surprised they did it this early. And hey, Thor556 has a "town" read on me, so when everyone else lynches me, he can say, "Well, I had an obv town read on him, so I'm town, too, obv." As well, when I'm lynched, he won't even have to bother sparing himself of my thoughts, as they won't be there to spare from.

@PeregrineV - Can you not read? Scumddies Thor556 and syndromeofadawn are trying to frame me, by killing Acosmist. Read Worst Role Mafia, syndromeofadawn was there, and saw (Day 7) how I was (nearly) onto callforjudgement, but ended by voting mafia-n00b. I couldn't explain my read of cfj very well, but I was nearly onto him. To avoid Thor556 having to reference me, and getting all tangled up in that sort of mess, with me probably catching onto them -- even if I can't explain it, or make a good case on them -- Thor556 simply doesn't make any mention of me, and starts off Day 2, by slightly bussing (hence, the vote) syndromeofadawn.

P-Edit - @MagnaofIllusion -

So you are calling Yates scum trying to set you up. Yet you don’t vote …

Learn to read, I never called Yates scum.

And if you meant Thor556, I haven't voted yet, because I'm explaining my thoughts at the moment, and seeing what others think of them. Sometimes, others' thoughts on my own, give me another way to look at my own thoughts, hence possibly changing my reads. Thus, I don't feel a vote is necessary, at the moment.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Um whut? Scum are trying to frame you by killing the Town Cop?

Dear god .... the VI flows strong with this one ...

[Thor665]

PE:@Thor - what makes mcqueen obvtown?

His attitude towards Aco considering the flip.

Really? I don’t recall making a case on you … why so jumpy?

I wasn't aware I was being jumpy, I noted it existed - why so jumpy to make me look jumpy

I’m not kidding though … what do you draw from the competing wagons. The “you can understand it yourself” isn’t cutting it. You specifically said wagonning Benmage was good for that reason. I want YOUR conclusions.

I think Yates and some of the sheepers look worse for it. I'm more willing to think of Yates as scum now (though I'm not sold on the case still) and also came to suspect Johnny more as a result. Also, after his last post, I'm tossing Pere into that pool as well - ahead of Johnny. After a few more flips it will also be a great tool for VCA. If you like, you can join a newbie and I can walk you through the way that works.

[Thor665]

Dear god .... the VI flows strong with this one ...

Don't talk to it, I'm pretty sure it's town and I don't want to see a back and forth between you two.

[mcqueen]

Um whut? Scum are trying to frame you by killing the Town Cop?

Dear god .... the VI flows strong with this one ...

...

I was voting Acosmist most of Day 1, as I found him scummy. Scum killed him Night 1, to try and frame me of killing him. When I saw the flip, I noticed where I went wrong with my read on him.

[Thor665]

Wouldn't they just kill him because...y'know, COP?
Just go sheep someone.

[mcqueen]

Dear god .... the VI flows strong with this one ...

Don't talk to it, I'm pretty sure it's town and I don't want to see a back and forth between you two.

I admit it wouldn't be the prettiest thing in the world, but this is still trying to ease out of discussion (between me and MagnaofIllusion, and of course, others would comment on our debate, as well).

I remember Thor556 being one to vote someone, and stick with them, unless you could really convince him otherwise, but he didn't just try to avoid discussion for nothing.

[mcqueen]

Wouldn't they just kill him because...y'know, COP?
Just go sheep someone.

Ever heard of a double play?

[MagnaofIllusion]

Learn to read, I never called Yates scum.

And if you meant Thor556, I haven't voted yet, because I'm explaining my thoughts at the moment, and seeing what others think of them. Sometimes, others' thoughts on my own, give me another way to look at my own thoughts, hence possibly changing my reads. Thus, I don't feel a vote is necessary, at the moment.

Fair enough. I surmise that unless something large happens to shake up your reads you will be voting Thor soon enough, correct?

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I think Yates and some of the sheepers look worse for it. I'm more willing to think of Yates as scum now (though I'm not sold on the case still) and also came to suspect Johnny more as a result. Also, after his last post, I'm tossing Pere into that pool as well - ahead of Johnny. After a few more flips it will also be a great tool for VCA. If you like, you can join a newbie and I can walk you through the way that works.

Oh, the funny condescending jerk Thor I’ve come to expect. Now Yates and the sheep are suddenly the best bet for scum after you worked so hard to derail the Yates getting hammered via deadline momentum. Yeah, I’m not really going for that.

Don't talk to it, I'm pretty sure it's town and I don't want to see a back and forth between you two.

Why is that? You don’t want me horning in on your potential sheep pool that you use to fuel mislynches? I know it would be disruptive and all ...

[Thor665]

Oh, the funny condescending jerk Thor I’ve come to expect. Now Yates and the sheep are suddenly the best bet for scum after you worked so hard to derail the Yates getting hammered via deadline momentum. Yeah, I’m not really going for that.

Why is that? You don’t want me horning in on your potential sheep pool that you use to fuel mislynches? I know it would be disruptive and all ...

Okay, in the first quote you accuse me of attacking the sheep.
In the second quote you accuse me of trying to defend the sheep from you.

Also, while we're at it, mcqueen didn't sheep me, so...?

And, yeah, the Yates wagon was derailed, you *don't* think there was scum activity involved there somehow? How very strange of me to think there was after Ben flipped town - that is a shocking and totally odd read to have.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Okay, in the first quote you accuse me of attacking the sheep.
In the second quote you accuse me of trying to defend the sheep from you.

Also, while we're at it, mcqueen didn't sheep me, so...?

And, yeah, the Yates wagon was derailed, you *don't* think there was scum activity involved there somehow? How very strange of me to think there was after Ben flipped town - that is a shocking and totally odd read to have.

I'm waiting for a point regarding the sheep. You calling McQueen nigh-un Mod confirmed Town couldn't possibly be construed as a buddying to a weak player, right?

Oh I don't think it's funny at all to suspect scum influence over the Benmage wagon. I do think it is funny that your conclusion and vote right out of the gate falls away ignoring Yates completely (Post 1039) until I mention that he should be in your suspect pool.

It's OK Thor ... I get you aren't as good at Scum as you are as Town.

[PeregrineV]

@mcqueen- I going to go with the "Aco died because cop" theory, but if we get some evidence, please present it.

@MoI- What purpose did your snifit vote serve?

Vote: snifit

[BK201]

No.

I do.

Don't fucking self-hammer either.

What makes you think Ben is Town. I actually have you as a pretty good Town read so I'm willing to listen.

b/c I've got a strong town gut read on him + I am very very sure Bulma is in this game based on my flavor role. (all I'm saying)

^ Add to that why you think Yates is scummy

What is this?

Johnny.

I'm town and a VT.

Remember my disclaimers.

If you are Town and VT, which disclaimers?

So even after the hammer on Benmage, Yates decides to question his VT claim. Why?

[MagnaofIllusion]

@MoI- What purpose did your snifit vote serve?

What is confusing about it? It served a two-fold purpose ...

1. Indicating my suspicion about his slot based on his Day 1 play and further evidenced by his post.
2. It allowed me to gauge the reaction of Yates given his reaction to me yesterday, which I detailed in my post with a vote for Yates.

What are your thoughts on Yates and Thor PV?

[BK201]

given how retarded that lynch was I'd believe it if all 3 scum were on that wagon.

I'm still waiting for a flip. If Ben is Town, I'm buying 2 scum MAX on his wagon. There's no way scum put all their eggs in one wagon when there are two huge wagons to hide in.

Goes back to the not giving credit to benmage's post hammer claim. "Imma pretend I don't know his alignment by seeming very unsure even after his hammer."

Also, in fairness, my wagon was pretty retarded as well. I'm feeling pretty confident I will either be NKed or confTown by morning.

"Imma project my being wary of being NK'd to appear town, when it doesn't make any sense at all for scum to NK me if I'm town."

What's interesting about that is that I think you are [mostly] right either way. If Ben is scum/Town, I think scum would have split their votes.

PE: if Acosmist doesn't get protected and we have a Doc, they will be PLed in all future games. That's a risk you don't take.

More projecting you are so unsure of his alignment even post hammer. the PE: bit just seems unnecessary, almost like you're aiming to sound town.

Is it wrong that all 3 of these posts sound like scum trying to sound town?
VOTE: Yates

[Thor665]

I'm waiting for a point regarding the sheep. You calling McQueen nigh-un Mod confirmed Town couldn't possibly be construed as a buddying to a weak player, right?

Considering he has me listed as a top suspect it's pretty 'meh' buddying if it is - but, yeah, it could certainly be taken as that. Any call of someone else as town could be taken like that.

Oh I don't think it's funny at all to suspect scum influence over the Benmage wagon. I do think it is funny that your conclusion and vote right out of the gate falls away ignoring Yates completely (Post 1039) until I mention that he should be in your suspect pool.

I never said he was in my suspect pool, I said I suspected him more than I did. I frankly still think he's town and I won't be voting him. That said, I can't really scream at anyone who wants to lynch him now because an actual case now exists.

You also didn't address the cognitive dissonance of you taking two opposing points about the sheep, fyi. It's okay, I understand you're not good at answering questions.

I also think I'm better as scum than town, I just like playing town more. My strongest skills as a player are ability to drive wagons, read who is in danger of being lynched, and avoid lynches myself. Those tend to be more useful skills overall as scum than town. I break the law of averages in finding scum, but I'm hardly as brilliant at it as I'd like to be.

[Yates]

"Imma pretend I don't know his alignment by seeming very unsure even after his hammer."

Give me a minute to find a link. I was in a game where BenScum was hammered and pretended to be Town in an attempt to solicit some last piece of information for his scumbuddies.