Open 417: Chosen Mafia - Heaven and Hell - Game Over!

[Near]

And it is also possible that gitah and you are scum team. HAHA.

GITAH AND THOR

Explain that fuggin' Giitah as scum read. Now.

This

Why was Giitah not killed then, you derp? He was thought of as more townish and by more people. *I'm* the strongest town proponent you've had.

You defending Gitah

[Thor665]

Gitah also thought I was town, I believe. So did Applejack. And Hyperion.

But more importantly: Gitah may not have gone after shattered. It was easily predicted that I would have.

THEREFORE, you didn't kill me. You wanted me to vote Shattered. Then your scum partner would have quick lynched.

I checked this;

Giitah didn't call you town till...wait for it...TODAY.
Boom. Owned.

Hyperion had you as a "null slight lean town"
Boom. Owned.

Applejack thought you were town because he was smart enough to see the stuff I also saw.

Your case is based off you being a derp who took me pointing out you being town over and over and decided everyone did.
You take me out of the equation than that falls apart as anything - especially as something scum was planning for.

The rest of your case is confirmation bias - you have decided Shattered is town because he's suspected as opposed to being scum who is suspected. They didn't waste a kill on you because you've been unable to push through a lynch, and haven't actually been thought of as very town except by me.

[Thor665]

Why was Giitah not killed then, you derp? He was thought of as more townish and by more people. *I'm* the strongest town proponent you've had.

You defending Gitah

That's why Giitah is scum?
Then YOU are scum too you IDIOT.

[Thor665]

Oh dear gawd, I'm actually angry at this game.

[Near]

Gitah also thought I was town, I believe. So did Applejack. And Hyperion.

But more importantly: Gitah may not have gone after shattered. It was easily predicted that I would have.

THEREFORE, you didn't kill me. You wanted me to vote Shattered. Then your scum partner would have quick lynched.

I checked this;

Giitah didn't call you town till...wait for it...TODAY.
Boom. Owned.

Hyperion had you as a "null slight lean town"
Boom. Owned.

Applejack thought you were town because he was smart enough to see the stuff I also saw.

Your case is based off you being a derp who took me pointing out you being town over and over and decided everyone did.
You take me out of the equation than that falls apart as anything - especially as something scum was planning for.

The rest of your case is confirmation bias - you have decided Shattered is town because he's suspected as opposed to being scum who is suspected. They didn't waste a kill on you because you've been unable to push through a lynch, and haven't actually been thought of as very town except by me.

SO... UM... you are saying that hyperion thought i was slight lean town and applejack and you thought I was strong town. So 3 people thought I was town and no one suspected me of being scum... How many people are there total? 5? Subtract me, there are 4? So only Gitah didn't express his opinion that I was town. 3/4 Right?

BOOM. OWNED

[Thor665]

@Near - if that's a reaction test you have it, now unvote and look at what you've got.

If that is a serious vote then you have some serious issues and you do need to respond to them.

1. I've shown that you were not a strong town slot to the rest of town, which drastically weakens your need to be a nightkill.
2. If Shattered is just the poor mislynch du jour how do you explain his actions for the Chosen lynch.
3. A Giitah/Thor scumteam gets incredibly stupid (partly just for your case) but also if you look at the lynch on Day 1.
4. Besides wanting Shattered dead today (because it's crazy I have a scum read on him via PoE and VCA like I showed) what's the actual case on me - if any? Because if that's ALL the case is, unvote and think about it a bit first, because it's terrible.

[Near]

Wait let me fix my mistake before you blow it out of proportion.

There is shattered, too. Who didn't really post much but was under heavy suspicion from me.

So, 3 out of 5 thought I was town.

And Shattered WOULD have killed me. And definitely would NOT have killled Applejack. So. Yes.

Shattered is NOT scum.

[Near]

Unvote

for now

[Giitah]

I sleep easier tonight

[Thor665]

SO... UM... you are saying that hyperion thought i was slight lean town and applejack and you thought I was strong town. So 3 people thought I was town and no one suspected me of being scum... How many people are there total? 5? Subtract me, there are 4? So only Gitah didn't express his opinion that I was town. 3/4 Right?

BOOM. OWNED

That;s one floaty read and two unexpressed reads.
So, yeah, 3/5 of the town hadn't called you town.

I was not owned. I already proved your Giitah thing was you not actually recalling what was happening. that's all well and good on other days - but not in LYLO. Get your facts straight before you try to use it as a scum case, that's just common bloody sense.

If you are town, this is terrible.

[Near]

@Near - if that's a reaction test you have it, now unvote and look at what you've got.

If that is a serious vote then you have some serious issues and you do need to respond to them.

1. I've shown that you were not a strong town slot to the rest of town, which drastically weakens your need to be a nightkill.
2. If Shattered is just the poor mislynch du jour how do you explain his actions for the Chosen lynch.
3. A Giitah/Thor scumteam gets incredibly stupid (partly just for your case) but also if you look at the lynch on Day 1.
4. Besides wanting Shattered dead today (because it's crazy I have a scum read on him via PoE and VCA like I showed) what's the actual case on me - if any? Because if that's ALL the case is, unvote and think about it a bit first, because it's terrible.

1. I have shown that I WAS a strong town.
2. Shattered made a mistake. This is WIFOM. I also lynched Chosen.
3. Giitah or Thor. Or Hyperion or Thor. Leaning toward Giitah based on recent posts from BOTH Giitah and Thor.
4. Wanting a quick lynch on Shattered, who I now believe is STRONG town, IS a case against you.

[Near]

Except for the buddying me HARD all game, which I didn't think was suspicious until now, I don't have much case on you. Actually, you lynched two townies. But general FEEL of your posts don't feel scummy.

BUT: the fact that I strongly believe shattered is town, and you quickly attempting to lynch him IS strong scum tell.

[Thor665]

1. No, you haven't.
2. So did I, but there's a difference when it was a speed hammer on a reverse opinion lynch of Chosen when he was the other top suspect of the day.
3. You still haven't actually explained this in anything close to being rational. Why is Giitah scum? If it's just because I've defended him...as already discussed, that would make you scum too, and I presume you don't think that's the case.
4. Oh dear gawd - that is terrible circular logic. I'm scum because I want town Shattered to be lynched. Shattered is town because I want a lynch of him. That isn't actually a case, that is derp using fancy words.

[Thor665]

Except for the buddying me HARD all game, which I didn't think was suspicious until now, I don't have much case on you. Actually, you lynched two townies. But general FEEL of your posts don't feel scummy.

I went out of my way to fight hard for that town read everyone had, didn't I. Crazy that. Thank gawd I knew all the you and Shattered meta so I could foresee this moment and know you'd want to help lynch him so I had to make sure you survived and were on my good side for this moment. I am a cunning Smurf.

BUT: the fact that I strongly believe shattered is town, and you quickly attempting to lynch him IS strong scum tell.

No.

[Thor665]

Also, while we're at it, half of Applejack's logic he was discussing was how Shattered had a history with me and would fear *me*.

But clearly he'd fear you so much more and yadda-yadda hey.

[Dazzy]

Vote count

(5 players alive = 3 to lynch)

(1)[L-2]Shattered Viewpoint – Thor665,

Not voting(4/5)(Hyperion, Shattered Viewpoint, Giitah, Near,)

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Deadline: (expired on 2012-08-02 21:54:00)

Other Notes:

[Shattered Viewpoint]

You guys argue SO MUCH.

Fascinating.

Vote: Thor

Because he's scum.

[Thor665]

Huzzah - lacking a speed lynch on either of us will now assure that one of us is the lynch.
Then we'll lynch Shattered.

[Near]

Huzzah - lacking a speed lynch on either of us will now assure that one of us is the lynch.
Then we'll lynch Shattered.

This

. I am ready

vote

Thor despite Thor pointing out above. Gitah and Hyperion, discuss.

[Near]

Actually this may not be true. Do mafias get QT?

[Near]

HAHAH if mafias get QT, Thor is more confirmed scum. There is no information on day time communication between scums in the description of the game on page 1.

Dazzy

Do mafias get to communicate during day time?

[Dazzy]

Vote count

(5 players alive = 3 to lynch)

(1)[L-2]Shattered Viewpoint – Thor665,
(1)[L-2]Thor665 - Shattered Viewpoint,

Not voting(3/5)(Hyperion, Giitah, Near,)

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Deadline: (expired on 2012-08-02 21:54:00)

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[Near]

Hmm... Without daytalk, it would be difficult for scums to coordinate a day lynch on a player at L-2

Also Thor COULD have faked not knowing there was no day talk.

[Giitah]

Near, you're reaching.
Any experienced Mafia player (so, that'd be any of us, including Shattered) would have known to make a plan for quicklynching in this scenario. It wouldn't be difficult at all.

I'l give it another 24 hours plus Hyperion posting and then we can discuss Shattered vs. Thor in greater detail. With the odds weighed between the two, I'd personally choose Thor of either of them, simply because 1) based on meta, Thor has shown me he can play like a scary town player while being a Mafia, and 2) faced in a decision between a pro-town or a lurker lynch, I'm pressed to choose the pro-town player.

[Thor665]

So I'm the lynch because I look less like scum and, you believe me playing as scum I'd look like town.

At least half of that is stupid because if I'm smart enough, as scum, to play like town - I'm also smart enough as town to look like town. Derp.

So it's just a question of if you think Shattered is scummy as hell for being derp town planned to be a mislynch or if he's scummy as hell because he's town. The case on me is derp and paranoia and only the paranoia is worth discussing (please stop throwing the derp at me at least, it's stupid. The paranoia at least makes sense and won't make me hate you to read because it's at least a compliment.).