Open 418 - Friends and Fun Times at the Fair (Game Over)

[Mortontfrh]

Drmyshotgun the

Vanilla Townie

has been killed.

Current Vote Count:

Vote Count 6.0

With 3 alive it takes 2 to lynch.

Not voting: McStab, Code_X, Arugula

The deadline is in (expired on 2012-07-27 16:00:00)

[McStab]

That was an unfortunate quicklynch, but I still stand by having to do it. He was too controversial to live to LyLo.

No one vote till we've all posted some good content to think over.

[McStab]

Right now I'm leaning on Arugula being scum. The bussing on Day One between him and both RainbowDash and Chrimi seems to really stick out for me for some reason, and the fact that under pressure RainbowDash quickly produced alot of evidence against Arugula - something that Rainbow didn't frequently do.

I'm not confident enough to vote on that yet though.

[Arugula]

I'm thinking McStab is the last scum.

He refused to vote for anyone but Potack in the last phase, and made a defense for LyLo when I genuinely thought we won.

@McStab
You said earlier I was near conftown because it was highly unlikely Rainbow and I would powerbus each other, and Chrimi's scum flip would only strengthen my townness. So if you have to fabricate a reason as to why I'm scum, don't contradict yourself.

Seriously though, do you think RBD and Chrimi would both hop on their last scumbuddy's wagon. It's a little too obvious. They were genuinely trying to start a counter wagon against RBD's wagon. This is further proven by Chrimi completely dropping the case on me D2. If he was bussing, he would have continued to do so.

[Arugula]

Here's my reads spectrum right now:


Conf. town: (the confirmable masonry)
Techno
TAM
Andrew

Almost certainly town:
Arugula - Targeted RainbowDash hard, I have a strong gutread as town, and RainbowDash attacked him in a way that really doesn't look like scumbuddies bussing each other
drmyshotgun - No scum is suicidal enough to knowingly fakeclaim third mason. I suppose it could be a crazy, crazy gambit, but I'd be incredibly surprised, because there would've been much easier ways to blend in town and it would require us not policy-lynching (Lynch All Liars).

Town gut feeling (still candidates for lynching but not primary suspects):

Code_X
RedPanda
VisceraEyes

Scum:

Chrimi - Rainbow's flip (particularly posts #550, #555, #560, #588). Also note that if he flips scum this further confirms Arugula, unless Arugula bussed both partners D1 (and they targeted him back). Chances of that happening, to me, are virtually nil.
Potack-ruv - He hasn't gone after Rainbow or Chrimi, he refuses to acknowledge Chrimi being obvscum today (not wanting to lose both scumpartners in two days), and if you read Rainbow and Chrimi's reads, it's mentioned multiple times that Potack is "probably town" despite them not providing ANY evidence for this. This reeks of scum to me. The whole Techno flip-flop by him today has struck me as scummy as well.


We have this game in the bag. We lynch Chrimi today, and assuming he flips scum, Potack tomorrow.

Vote: Chrimi

On another note, happy birthday AcRv!

Again, what has changed in how RBD apparently bussed me? You said it didn't seem like scumbuddies bussing, yet now it does? RBD hasn't posted since then, so again, what changed your mind?

Tomorrow I will analyze vote counts.

[McStab]

@Arugula - I'll talk about the rest of it later, but just rereading the ISO you appeared scummier. Also, once Potack flipped town, it caused me to re-evaluate my reads. As for your votecount analysis, I was V/LA while both VisceraEyes and RedPanda were lynched, and I suspected Rainbow at the time.

I think it's safe to say our earlier reads on each other are invalid. All of us professed that we thought we'd won; while one of us was insincere, the other two were, so if anyone sticks with their thoughts as opposed to re-evaluating them, it is more of a scummish quality.

[Code_X]

Ill be reading tonight as in 12 hours.

Out with the kids all day.

[Arugula]

Even if my ISO did look scummier, why did RBD's bussing change?

Wrong, McStab. You didn't think we won. I did. I think Code_X did. You had were too busy making a defense for LyLo.

And stop making pre-emptive defenses for everything I say. I know you were V/LA. That doesn't excuse the fact you didn't vote for either of them.

[Code_X]

Guys you got any games as scum on site?

[Code_X]

Also need to read a few of Rainbow's games so it may be a while before I make a decision either way.

I will be posting some initial thoughts later.

Anything you both want to ask me please fire away also.

[Arugula]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=22020
Here's a scum game of mine.

[McStab]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=6072

Here's one of mine.

[Arugula]

RainbowDash

(7): Lynch

-

Code_X,

VisceraEyes,

RedPanda, Soben, Drmyshotgun,

RainbowDash,

TeChNoWC

Chrimi

(2) -

The Acting Method,

Arugula

Arugula

(2) -

RainbowDash, Chrimi

McStab

(1) -

Potack-Ruv

VisceraEyes

(1) -

Andrew94

Code_X

(1) -

TechnoWC

In RBD's lynch, Code_X is voting for one scum, I am voting for the other, both scums are voting for me, and McStab is being voted for by a townie. (So is Code_X, but he was on the scum lynch wagon at least) McStab looks pretty bad here.

Chrimi

(6):

- Code_X,

Drmyshotgun, RedPanda,

McStab, Arugula,

The Acting Method

McStab

(1) -

Potack-ruv

Drmyshotgun

(1) -

VisceraEyes

In Chrimi's lynch, all three of us were on the wagon, so scum was bussing here. But, Chrimi dropped his case on me and wasn't even voting me. Why? Because he was just following RBD's lead. Potack, a townie, is still voting for McStab.

RedPanda

(5) -

The Acting Method, VisceraEyes, Andrew94, RedPanda, Potack-Ruv

VisceraEyes

(1) -

Drmyshotgun

RedPanda's lynch doesn't really tell us anything, since none of us were voting. It is strange to see that his lynch was 100% town. That doesn't happen often.

VisceraEyes

: (4) Code_X,

Drmyshotgun, Potack-ruv, VisceraEyes

VisceraEyes' lynch makes Code_X look scummy. I find it hard to believe that two 100% town lynches went through in a row. Crazier things have happened, but it doesn't sit right with me. However, the next votecount pretty much confirms McStab as scum.

Potack-Ruv

(3): Code_X, Arugula, McStab

Now Potack's lynch is a little strange. All three of us are on this wagon. McStab and I weren't on any other town wagons, but McStab hadn't posted either. I had posted during the days of RedPanda and VisceraEyes' lynches, but I hadn't voted. McStab randomly shows up and tunnels his vote to Potack, and quicklynches him despite saying he didn't want a quicklynch. Then, his excuse is that he would be hypocritical if he didn't quicklynch him. This is scummy for two reasons. 1. He is concerned about how he comes off to the town. 2. He could have just said, "I want to lynch Potack, but I will give everyone time to post because I don't want another quicklynch." There. Problem solved. Instead, he quicklynches him without letting drmyshotgun or Potack get a word in.

And you know what is ironic about McStab only posting during Potack's lynch? Potack voted McStab on both Day 1 AND Day 2. It seems like he was worried Potack would push for McStab's lynch, and needed to quicklynch him in order to prevent it.

[Arugula]

@Code_X

Coming into the day phase, who did you think was scum?

At any point in the game, did you ever suspect either McStab or I as scum? If so, when?

[Code_X]

Shotgun!

Hence the night kill makes no sense to me. I'd have voted Shotty on gut today.

I've not suspected neither of you really. Both of you I've had town for a long while. Problem since the Chrimi lynch which I need to review is thhat Potato and Panda then took over.

Re-reading now.

[Code_X]

Just purely going to dump thoughts. Won't make much sense. Sorry about that, but it's the easiest way for me to make sense of things whilst reading back.

This votecount was in 464 with RBD leading the way.

RainbowDash

(3) - Code_X,

Soben, VisceraEyes

Andrew94

(2) -

Chrimi,

Arugula

VisceraEyes (1) - RedPanda
Soben (1) - andrew94
The Acting Method (1) - Drmyshotgun

Code_X (1) -

TechnoWC

TechnoWC (1) - Potack-Ruv

Arugula (1) -

RainbowDash

Drmyshotgun (1) - The Acting Method

Not Voting: McStab

Potack votes Andrew 469
McStab votes Andrew 471

So the Andrew wagon then goes above RBD scum.

RainbowDash

(3) - Code_X,

Soben, VisceraEyes

Andrew94 (4) -

Chrimi

, Arugula,

Potack

, McStab

VisceraEyes (1) - RedPanda
Soben (1) - andrew94
The Acting Method (1) - Drmyshotgun

Code_X (1) -

TechnoWC

Arugula (1) -

RainbowDash

Drmyshotgun (1) - The Acting Method

And looks a viable alternative to the scum wagon.

Shotgun votes McStab in 476
Potack votes McStab in 490
McStab unvotes in 495 - after the mason claim.

Knowing that Om was town. I really need to look back over his argument with McStab top of page 21.

RainbowDash

(3) - Code_X,

Soben, VisceraEyes

Andrew94 (2) -

Chrimi

, Arugula
McStab (2) -

Shotgun, Potack

VisceraEyes (1) - RedPanda
Soben (1) - andrew94

Code_X (1) -

TechnoWC

Arugula (1) -

RainbowDash

Drmyshotgun (1) - The Acting Method

Not Voting - McStab

The McStab wagon is rising up against the RBD scum wagon and the Andrew wagon evaporates following the claim.

McStab votes Potack in 503. Which is a massive wall and again I need to re-read.

Potack confirms vote.
TAM votes McStab in 512
Chrimi votes McStab in 513 - Only time during the game Chrimi commented at McStab.

VOTE: McStab
Please don't rage D:

"Don't rage" - why would you say that? Rhetorical question.


Vote count then was.

RainbowDash

(3) - Code_X,

Soben, VisceraEyes

Andrew94

(1) - Arugula
McStab (4) -

Shotgun, Potack, TAM,

Chrimi

Potack

(1) - McStab

VisceraEyes (1) - RedPanda
Soben (1) - andrew94

Code_X (1) -

TechnoWC

Arugula (1) -

RainbowDash

Drmyshotgun (1) - The Acting Method

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TAM then votes Chrimi in 532

RBD's post in 533 - has McStab in the town corner.

Yeah if last mason is lynchbait we can just claim and break this.

andrew
TAM (told you he was prob town)
other mason
MS
VE
potato (probably)

* Must remind myself to look at what Soben thinks of Arugula.

The 'no lynch' list should be; Andrew, TAM, VE, Code_X, Tech, Potak and McStab/Panda just behind those.

Soben votes Chrimi.
Arugula's 541 is another post I've got to re-read. Defends himself against RBD. FOS's McStab. Votes TAM, then Votes Shotgun. Is also fine with a Chrimi lynch.
Soben then says if your fine with a Chrimi lynch join us 542. Arugula does in 545
RBD is hard-core bussing Arugula if Arg is scum. Must read a RBD scum game.

Votecount at the time.

Chrimi

(3) -

The Acting Method, Soben

, Arugula
McStab (3) -

Drmyshotgun, Potack-Ruv

,

Chrimi

RainbowDash

(2) - Code_X,

VisceraEyes

VisceraEyes (1) - RedPanda
Soben (1) - andrew94

Code_X (1) -

TechnoWC

Arugula (1) -

RainbowDash

Potack-Ruv

(1) - Mcstab

So Arugula is on scum. Code is on scum. McStab is on Potack.
RBD scum is voting Arugula. Chrimi scum is voting McStab

Pretty much every post RBD has on page.23 is critical of Arg.

McStab's 572 has both RBD and Chrimi in the scum pile - only two people as it goes, he unvotes Potack.

Arugula attacks the stronger of the scum pair in my eyes in RBD -if you were scum with RBD and Chrimi - no offence to Chrimi but you'd rather keep RBD alive, but keeps his vote on the weaker of the scum pair in Chrimi. Which I don't like so much.

I actually think Rainbowdash is more likely scum than Chrimi because Rainbowdash keeps talking about mislynching Chrimi when there is zero evidence of Chrimi town. Seriously, I can't find a townie post by Chrimi.

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Panda votes RBD in 588
Chrimi then votes Arugula in 589. Which considering he was voting McStab is interesting.
Soben votes RBD
Shotgun votes RBD

Votecount 1.14

RainbowDash

(5): L-2 - Code_X,

VisceraEyes, RedPanda, Soben, Drmyshotgun

Chrimi (2)

-

The Acting Method

, Arugula
Arugula (2) -

RainbowDash, Chrimi

McStab (1) -

Potack-Ruv

VisceraEyes

(1) -

Andrew94

Code_X (1) -

TechnoWC

McStab doesn't appear in the VC which is a pain. But he's not voting anyone after the unvote in 572.
Both dead scum are voting Arugula. Which feels like a desperate counterwagon.

RBD self votes in 629. Tech hammers.
Neither McStab nor Arugula comment post RBD claiming scum.

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Want to read the day 2 and then also read back and see how I feel about Bork prior to Arugula's replacement. More shortly.

[Code_X]

Right moving on Day 2 ...

Code votes Chrimi 652
Potack votes Tech 653

Tech asks me why a town-read on Arg. The below is my response.

Had a town read on Bork and RBD's push against Argula strikes me as an unlikely bus, especially because scum Chrimi hopped on.

The Tech/Potato spat is pointless.

Shotgun votes Chrimi.
Potack votes McStab - I say he's not based on 144. Must review that post.
Panda votes Chrimi.
McStab votes Chrimi in 682. At this point with Chrimi at lynch -3 I doubt it matters either way the last scum probably knows Chrimi is a goner based on Day one and his defence of RBD.
McStab does say a few other things though which interest me mainly

Almost certainly town:
Arugula - Targeted RainbowDash hard, I have a strong gutread as town, and RainbowDash attacked him in a way that really doesn't look like scumbuddies bussing each other

And setting up Potato for tomorrow's lynch.

We lynch Chrimi today, and assuming he flips scum, Potack tomorrow

Arugula votes Chrimi in 684. Lynch-1 again. Scum at this point have to bus him. Both Arg and McStab neither as scum can avoid the Chrimi wagon.

Viscera votes Shotgun. And this alone with Chrimi at lynch-1 was why I then started looking back at VE in following days. Yeah, he was town but that vote at the time really bugged me.

Chrimi calls out Arg in 699. Doesn't comment on the votes from Shotgun, Panda and McStab.

The VC is pretty pointless as whoever is the scum is bussing.

Chrimi (5)

: L-1 - Code_X,

Drmyshotgun, RedPanda

, McStab, Arugula
McStab (1) -

Potack-ruv
Drmyshotgun (1) - VisceraEyes

Not voting:

TeChNoWC, The Acting Method

,

Chrimi,

andrew94

Andrew votes VE. Ignores the Chrimi wagon.
TAM hammers Chrimi.

The really fucked up thing is Chrimi didn't vote anyone. There was a little bit of interaction with myself and Arg, Panda. That was it.

Day 2 doesn't really tell us much.

[Code_X]

Running out of time this morning, but Day 3 quickly.

Then will look at the start of the game and remaining days. Before looking at each and every player in isolation. Dead town reads are gold.

Tech's last thoughts.

FOS: Arugula, Code_X, Potack-ruv, McStab

TAM includes McStab.

Reasons Tech suspected me and Arg

Code is because of Chrimi's behavior towards him and code, how originally Chrimi was sheeping Tech (because of RDtown read, Shotgun scum read) then switched when Tech suspected Code and sheeped Code = Town.

I'm not sure on the logic behind Arugula as that wasn't explained, If Tech had not died tonight he would not have been listed.

My response is somewhat amusing considering our situation

No way on earth would scum RBD and scum Chrimi both attempt to divert attention on to Arugula. Likewise I'd find it hard coming from my own situation for scum Arugula to buss both dead scum as hard as he did. McStab voted both scum also so he seems town to me and the fact he appeared as a counter-wagon for RBD day one feels the spot is town.

Shotgun votes Potack
Says this about Arg

CHrimi and RBD both attacked Arugula. He is Town.

Panda votes Potack.

The Panda v Potato argument remains fucking painful.

TAM votes Panda.

Panda outlines reads in 813.

code x - solid town read

mcstab - caught the venmar slip.

arugula - rainbowdash refused to bus chrimi. I doubt he bussed arugula.

VE votes Panda. Again from my own personal view it made sense post Panda lynch and avoidance of Chrimi at lynch-1 why VE was scum, obviously he wasn't but that's why I thought he was.

Arg and McStab have yet to really comment in the middle of this shit-storm. Not that I blame either of them.

883 feels very town to me though.

The more pages of the Panda/Potato argument I read, the more I feel like slitting my throat.

Panda in 1005 says if Om flips town he's going to campaign for Arugula lynch and again in 1111
Says McStab is town in 1123

Panda ends up lynched.
Arg appears says what was all the nonsense.
McStab didn't post once all day.

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Day 4 - VE gets lynched in no time. Arg and McStab neither post during the actual day only twilight.
In twilight Arg says "did we win" and that Shotgun is town based on the NK or something.
McStab says if VE is town, then Potato dies tomorrow.

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Day 5 - even less talking
My game the last few days has been bad. I should learn to be less aggressive in situations - and play things slowly.

McStab - why not Shotgun? I don't understand this. Why could it not be him? The fact he is then dead worries me a lot.

If I'm wrong it's either Arugula or Code_X.

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Right, need to review the first 15 or so pages.
The RBD = Arugula argument.
Then players in isolation.

Sorry this is all one giant wall.

[Code_X]

Pages 1-15 - Bork is/was Arugula.

Bork 26 questions the vanilla claim. Calls Venmar out for being obtuse. Ven says are "you calling me dumb"
Potack calls Bork scum in 53
McStab yet to appear. Does so in 78. Answers TAM's RQS.
Soben comes in and puts down a meaningful vote on Venmar 91 - Bork/McStab neither really contributing. Though Mcwhathisname who I replaced was even worse.

Potato as per normal dominating proceedings ....

Bork still hasn't posted again by the time McStab posts 144. His second post and catch-up post.

The crux of his post was the Venmar slip

One thing I did notice, however small, is a potential slip of the tongue by Venmar:

"- There are probably a couple instances in games that i have ongoing, but if you want you can read Open 399, that is my latest completed game. Luckily for you i also played as scum there, so feel free to get some kind of a scum meta, but that was my first time playing as scum so i doubt it is as reliable."

Also? I don't think it really fits in the rest of the sentence, and could be a slip of the tongue pertaining to this game. I would like others views on this however, perhaps I am just putting the wrong emphasis on the wrong words when reading that, but it stuck out to me.

Now. Does a scum partner point this out to look good in case someone else spots it? Or does a scum partner want to ignore the slip.
He doesn't lay a vote down.

Bar that he is wishy-washy on TAM/Potato and then wants more from Andrew/Absta.

The other scum Chrimi is ignored.

Bork next post has Venmar as no #2 scum read

Regarding Venmar:
#23 is so derpy that I have no choice but to assume you're being intentionally obtuse, hence what I said in #26. You really think RedPanda is trying to "Shut down RVS" in the sense that he wants to stifle discussion? Really? You're probably my #2 right now.

Confirms vote against Potato.

Panda picks up on McStab's catching the Venmar slip and votes him.

Soben calls McStab 100% town in 148

Oh PS: McStab is pretty much 100% town. Hunting for slips in phrasing of words is something that I've done in most town games but never as scum and know a few others that work the same way making it an extremely strong town-tell, not just that but the fact that he asked for opinions rather than instantly voting along with it is a town-tell as scum could just easily use that sort of phrasing to justify throwing a vote down.

Few others chime in on the slip. Andrew says he has a town read on McStab.

Hmmm ....

I don't see anything scummy about the way Venmar phrased that particular statement.

174 from Bork - defends Shotgun against Potato. Soben calls Bork out in 176 and asks him to give reads.
Says top scum reads are Potato, Venmar, TAM in 178 and pretty much confirms his position on Potato.

The Om/Bork mini argument feels odd and pretty pointless. But every argument with Potato feels pointless.

Potato asks Panda if he's willing to join a Bork lynch.
Tech also calls out Bork in 195

Not being inquisitive at all. So bad points for Bork.

As far as Venmar, I don't see a lot of glaring similarities to his play here and in either his Town or Scum games. He's being much more inquisitive and less judgmental here than in either of the two completed games I looked at. My scum read on him came entirely from #23 in which I felt he was intentionally misunderstanding a pretty easy to interpret statement from Redpanda.

And votes VE (Abstas replacement) - Which feels off.

Soben has both Bork and McStab as town in 244

Panda hops on to the Absta replacement.

Bork replaces out. Potato shotgun have a little argument. Chrimi appears no one really says anything about this slot.

McStab has posted twice and not voted. Albeit he did call out the Venmar slip. Bork I'm somewhat in two minds about.

Chrimi's reads in 285 have Bork in the town pile. Says the below. Doesn't mention McStab.

What I read about bork when I read through the thread made him look very obvtown to me.

Says a little bit more about Bork after questioning from Potato.

After I read the thread and then ISO'd him... It's just a simple gutread. Everything he said seemed to make sense pretty well and seemed town-motivated.

303 bugs me. Chrimi has just said he had a town read on Bork. Then Tech says he finds Bork scummy and now he's going to sheep him and agree with him.

Bork's slot worries me because of his flip-flopping read on drmy, like he couldn't make up his mind whether to bus or protect his scumbuddy. Plus he seemed very concerned about the attention on drmy.

Looks like I"ll mostly be sheeping Techno. Except that Soben is town.

So the Bork town read lasted all of about one page.

RBD replaces Venmar.

322 is her first post. Ignores Bork.
Says McStab is solid town.

Arg replaces Bork. Want elaborate too much on his opening post. He says this about the slip.

McStab is town. His Venmar slip find was great, even if it isn't an actual slip (which I'm not sold on). I also thought I saw one too. Venmar said that the other game was his first time as scum. Personally, if I was only scum once, I would say my only time, not first time. It's not as good as McStab's find, but it stuck out to me.

Throws some dirt at Chrimi. Has both RBD and Chrimi in scum pile with Shotgun/Andrew. Votes Andrew.

Soben comments on Arg's pointing out the once/first slip.

specifically the wording point about Venmar the 'only time as scum' vs 'first time as scum' is a decent point,

McStab still hasn't voted/posted anything since 144.

Arg asks TAM to iso someone scummy like Andrew/RBD - Venmar/Chrimi - which feels a strange request for someone who may be scum to get a townie to look at two of your partners.

430 Rainbow decides to go after Arg.
Calls MS, Potato, TAM, Shotgun, VE town.

Arg wasn't the scummiest player by a stretch so I don't get why scum RBD would go after scum Arg in this position. Especially when Arg has no votes.....

My issue with the below is does she says it so we won't go after Arg

You lynch me you kill Arugula fast tomorrow because he is prob scum, after that... RP/Soben/andrew and if its still not over chirmi/CX wraps up the win im almost sure

VE posts a coloured list of names. McStab is in the nullish pile with Panda and Potato (Argula is lower) - RBD says the below.

@VE - MS needs to be much higher on your list for town.

Ding ding.

So why would RBD scum when she says she could have tried to lynch four others go after her scumbuddy Arg. No it doesn't make sense for scum to bus each other.

I could have tried to lynch... TAM, DMS, andrew, VE... all had some flack and I could easily whip up something quick on why they are scum if I wanted to.

McStab posts his third post in 465. Two posts in 464.

471 he then comes back and votes Andrew. He ignores a lot of the rest of the game - the Venmar slip is history and Chrimi/RBD get no attention.

Shotty calls him out

McStab doesn't reference ANYTHING that has happened previously.
Does not show even the remotest interest. And comes just in time to "pressure" Andrew with Potack?
The only thing you seem interested in is how legit this "masonclaim" thing is.
Lol, one scum down. Post #474 is full of shit, you know that right?

Potack, does this not even bother you the slightest? The only thing you seem interested in this game is having people do the same thing as you are doing.
Also, if you think Andrew's post#468 was Scumslip. Wow. I'm at loss of my words.
But lol, go ahead and lynch Andrew. Let's see what happens. Fucking hillarious you two.

More later. I have to go out.

This argument around 480. I need to spend a good hour or so digesting.

[Code_X]

Just looking back at what RBD/Chrimi say about both of you and vice-versa

By all means you should look at their interactions with me and mine with them.

Chrimi - McStab

513 - Is it. I've gone over the vote count previously. RBD has 3, after this vote McStab has 4.

I know not of a 'Chimri'
VOTE: McStab
Please don't rage D:

Chrimi - Bork

285 - Bork is in the town reads. Doesn't mention McStab.
288 - Calls him obv-town

What I read about bork when I read through the thread made him look very obvtown to me.

292 - Says to Potato the read on Bork was gut town.
303 - Doesn't mention Bork but does say he'll sheep Tech who says Bork is scummy.
307 - says last of 303 is in reference to Bork. - which was this line.

And I'm really only kinda leaning town on him, depends on what his replacement is gunna do.

Chrimi - Arugula

Doesn't say much about Arg until 547

Your POV:
Drmyshotgun is extremely scummy, Good reason to vote
Andrew needs to clear everything up, I should pressure him, Good reason to vote
I'm scum, People are starting to wagon on Chrimi, Good reason to vote
VOTE: Arugula

* At this point RBD is also voting Arg and RBD has 3 votes. Panda has just come back in and voted RBD. Soben and Shotgun soon put RBD to 5 votes. I'd be amazed if Chrimi scum pushes against Arg scum in this point as a counter wagon to RBD.
699 - Accuses Arg of wagon jumping.
706 - Doesn't recall making a case on Arg after Arg calls Chrimi out on it.

McStab - Chrimi

572 - lists his scumlist. RBD and Chrimi both scum.
682 - votes Chrimi day two. Bold and underline is interesting regards McStab's thoughts at the time regards Arg. "Virtually nil".

Scum:
Chrimi -

Rainbow's flip (particularly posts #550, #555, #560, #588). Also note that if he flips scum this further confirms Arugula, unless Arugula bussed both partners D1 (and they targeted him back). Chances of that happening, to me, are virtually nil.

Potack-ruv - He hasn't gone after Rainbow or Chrimi, he refuses to acknowledge Chrimi being obvscum today (not wanting to lose both scumpartners in two days), and if you read Rainbow and Chrimi's reads, it's mentioned multiple times that Potack is "probably town" despite them not providing ANY evidence for this. This reeks of scum to me. The whole Techno flip-flop by him today has struck me as scummy as well.
We have this game in the bag. We lynch Chrimi today, and assuming he flips scum, Potack tomorrow.
Vote: Chrimi

Arugula - Chrimi

Plenty of mentions.

His catch up post 356 - makes note of Chrimi being useless. Chrimi chalking up his reads as gut then disregarding them, points out the contradiction regards Tech and the sheeping.
Scum list in this post is Shotgun, Andrew, Chrimi, RBD - votes Andrew.
398 - as previous asks TAM to look at scummy people after his giant IIOA at Soben - inc both scum.
541 fine with a Chrimi lynch - pushing DMS more.

I'm fine with a Chrimi lynch too, but how can you ignore drmyshotgun lying that he is a mason? And why did it go from Rainbow to Chrimi?

545 - Votes Chrimi
547 - Chrimi still a good vote.
577 - I'm not really sure how I feel about this post. Especially when he keeps his vote on Chrimi.

I actually think Rainbowdash is more likely scum than Chrimi because Rainbowdash keeps talking about mislynching Chrimi when there is zero evidence of Chrimi town. Seriously, I can't find a townie post by Chrimi.

684 - Votes Chrimi - Is fifth onto the wagon - after Code, Shotgun, Panda, McStab. Did push hard the previous day.
883 - Defends himself against TAM. Feels genuine to me.


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Chrimi says very little about McStab - bar the actual vote which could easily be a bus and the "please don't rage" - which I find odd/weird. Says a lot more to Arugula/Bork - has a town read on Bork, yet this seems to evaporate and then Arugula seems to be the counter wagon to me 547

Rainbow next ....

[Code_X]

Just skimmed a Rainbow scum game.

What do you both make of her behaviour towards Charlie and Tarson - I have my opinions. Would rather you both made some observations before I elaborate.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=18952

I know it's 7/8 months ago and playstyles change but I can't seem to find a more recent Rainbow scum game, they all seem to have been eaten by the tigers.

There is also this game which I've not read yet - but will do so to read her interaction towards Farside and Nanook.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=18557

[Arugula]

She bussed Tarson a little bit and then started a counter wagon against Mist Beauty.

Code_X, your wall is very interesting and insightful. Honestly, I thought you were going to be the NK, since you were on everyone's town list, but McStab's "If I'm wrong it's either Arugula or Code_X" is. Rey interesting.

He was setting himself up for either target at LyLo.

And still, I think RBD started a counter wagon on me for two reasons.
1. To stop her lynch.
2. To add WIFOM to the game and get me killed later on. Scum would keep me alive for the "maybe it was bussing" aspect and I would be lynched eventually. Luckily the town hasn't done that yet, but it can still happen.

I'm actually very confident in McStab scum at this point. Your wall basically proves it.

[Code_X]

Honestly, I thought you were going to be the NK, since you were on everyone's town list, but McStab's "If I'm wrong it's either Arugula or Code_X" is. Rey interesting.

I don't understand why he'd clear Shotgun and then kill him though.

[Code_X]

Right .. Interaction with Venmar first.

Venmar - McStab

Says nothing - aside from responding to the slip in 144.
His response really is defensive not much I can really gain from it.

Interesting point. I admit it phrased that kind of weirdly, but when writing that, i was thinking in the sense of ( thinking in my mind. ) -"also, to add"- I am not sure if that makes sense, but regarding that post i felt like the need to add on the fact that i played as scum in that game would help clear some things up, and make the read more interesting since someone could get a feel for how i play as scum. Basically, i was adding on a point to the main part of the post, and way i worded it is how i presented that. Does that make sense..?

Venmar - Bork/Arugula

Again very little - not much help whatsoever. Asks Bork if he's calling him dumb in 28. After Bork calls him out for the RVS question to Panda.

McStab - Venmar

This really is the one thing that confuses me over McStab scum - whether he'd call out Venmar out on this. Maybe he thought best to point out incase others did.

One thing I did notice, however small, is a potential slip of the tongue by Venmar:

"- There are probably a couple instances in games that i have ongoing, but if you want you can read Open 399, that is my latest completed game. Luckily for you i also played as scum there, so feel free to get some kind of a scum meta, but that was my first time playing as scum so i doubt it is as reliable."


Also? I don't think it really fits in the rest of the sentence, and could be a slip of the tongue pertaining to this game.

I would like others views on this however, perhaps I am just putting the wrong emphasis on the wrong words when reading that, but it stuck out to me

.

Finally, I would really like to hear from some of the other players. There are a few who haven't posted at all, and I wasn't satisfied with either Andrew or Abasta's posts. With the game being so early this is to be expected, but I would like an upswing in posting from all of them.

The italics make me question it. Likewise the lack of a vote.

489 McStab says this about Venmar/Rainbow.

As for others, I have suspected Venmar/Rainbowdash's slot, but I haven't had the time to get around to posting a bigger analysis. For now, he's on my list of people I view as scummy, but he certainly isn't topping it with these reactions.

Bork/Arugula - Venmar

Bork calls him obtuse - Ven responds with the dumb quote.

Elaborates a bit more later on

Regarding Venmar:
#23 is so derpy that I have no choice but to assume you're being intentionally obtuse, hence what I said in #26. You really think RedPanda is trying to "Shut down RVS" in the sense that he wants to stifle discussion? Really? You're probably my #2 right now.

Defends the Venmar slip though......

I don't see anything scummy about the way Venmar phrased that particular statement.

178 - Top scum reads are Potato, Venmar, TAM

Last thing Bork comments on regards Venmar, again comes across as defensive of him.

As far as Venmar, I don't see a lot of glaring similarities to his play here and in either his Town or Scum games. He's being much more inquisitive and less judgmental here than in either of the two completed games I looked at. My scum read on him came entirely from #23 in which I felt he was intentionally misunderstanding a pretty easy to interpret statement from Redpanda.

The thing is there is a lot more interaction from Bork towards Venmar, than McStab towards Venmar - but the McStab finding the slip is a big feather in his cap.

Regards Arugula

356 - feels genuine too me. Not sure if a scum partner would then want to go back over the slip and even find another one from same quote.

McStab is town. His Venmar slip find was great, even if it isn't an actual slip (which I'm not sold on). I also thought I saw one too. Venmar said that the other game was his first time as scum. Personally, if I was only scum once, I would say my only time, not first time. It's not as good as McStab's find, but it stuck out to me.

398 - I've gone over this before. Asks TAM to look at Venmar/RBD

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[Arugula]

Honestly, I thought you were going to be the NK, since you were on everyone's town list, but McStab's "If I'm wrong it's either Arugula or Code_X" is. Rey interesting.

I don't understand why he'd clear Shotgun and then kill him though.

Because he knew he couldn't get him lynched...I know it seems too obvious, but the simplest answer is usually the right one.