Mini 1348- Dragon Ball Z: Saiyan Saga Mafia (Game Over)

[Slandaar]

Yates: How many games have you played with PV as scum?
and I have no idea what concern you are talking about.

[Slandaar]

preferably link the games for proof

[mcqueen]

sniffit, I love you. (jk, but I'm going to print your post out, and hang it on my wall ^_^)

Yates, you're a complete idiot. The first part of your post, I have no fucking clue what you mean, and how the hell you get me scum, out of me, Thor556, and sniffit. I don't even know why sniffit is on that list. As for the bottom of your post, fuck off. Stop comparing me to toro, I don't want to be compared to him, and how the fuck am I fucking scum out of me and him? Are you fucking serious? You're just assuming pieces of shit out of your ass are true, and all of your cases just somehow lead back to me, when most of the other players have at least a weak townread on me. Even I'm going to say it - I haven't been as scummy as I usually am, in this game. My honest defense is to tell you to fuck off, you've been up my ass all game, and I haven't even done anything way out of the ballpark. So what the fuck? Fuck off, man.

[mcqueen]

And isn't it funny, how you randomly bring Thor556 into the list, add sniffit in, and say I'm scum? Is it because, you're fucking scum with Thor556, you added him in there, to say he's town, put the blame on me, then added sniffit in (a stronger townread), just to help it portray Thor556 is town, and I'm scum? Are you fucking, for fake sake, joking me? Let's have a lil f-ing looksie.

• Thor556 - I've explained why I think he's scum. He's on top, as he's the base of the scumteam.
  
• syndromeofadawn - Has done nothing, other than flopping around, assume I'm trolling, and making crappy cases on people. syndromeofadawn serves as the one that scum would lynch, given they would have to lynch one of their own. They would go to syndromeofadawn.
  
• Yates - Has been a
  COMPLETE
  fucking idiot, makes a list with {his scumbuddy, a weak townread for most, a medium-strong townread for most}, uses the weaker townread for most's case to say it's wrong, and his scumbuddy is town, then adds a medium-strong townread for most in, to help it portray the weaker townread for most is scum, and his scumbuddy is town. Dumbass.

We can lynch Thor556 later, Yates needs to go. For good. No counterwagoning, again.

VOTE: Yates

[pappums rat]

Votecount 2.2

syndromeofadown - 2 (Thor665, Toro)
PeregrineV - 1 (Slandaar)
mcqueen - 1 (Yates)
Yates - 4 (MagnaofIllusion, BK201, syndromeofadown, mcqueen)
snifit - 1 (PeregrineV)

Not voting - (JohnnyFarrar, snifit)

MagnaofIllusion is V/LA until Monday.

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

The deadline for Day 2 is 2 AM EST on July 27, 2012.

[BK201]

Fair enough, in which case, if Yates is scum, which of his bussing buddies jumped ship to lynch BenMage instead?

mcqueen was as his former self, MattP

why do you assume Yates was being bussed?

[snifit]

BK, MoI:
What's your read on PeregrineV / What's your evaluation of Slandaar's case on him?

[Yates]

Yates: How many games have you played with PV as scum?
and I have no idea what concern you are talking about.

VOTE: Yates

FINALLY a vote I understand! I know it's OMGUS but still. At least it makes sense...

The only problem I have with your "argument" is where you claim

And isn't it funny, how you randomly bring Thor556 into the list, add sniffit in, and say I'm scum?

As you read, there was nothing "random" about it. It was an analysys of how different wagons formed. Thor and sniffit were on the list because they matched a pattern with you and Toro.

Yates, you're a complete idiot. The first part of your post, I have no fucking clue what you mean, and how the hell you get me scum, out of me, Thor556, and sniffit.

And Toro. I'd be happy to hear where my logic is failing. Are you saying that all of the scum were voting for Benmage? Because that would make this game EASY. I admitted to my system not being perfect. I'd like to know why *you* aren't the scum off the Benmage wagon so I can understand where my logic went wrong.

Oh also:

My honest defense is to tell you to fuck off, you've been up my ass all game, and I haven't even done anything way out of the ballpark. So what the fuck? Fuck off, man.

This isn't fair or accurate. Did you read post 978 wherin I called you null-Town? I've only been "up your ass" since this morning. Again, please tell me where my logic is wrong.

Yates: How many games have you played with PV as scum?
and I have no idea what concern you are talking about.

Where PV waqs scum or where *I* was scum? I think we've only been in 2 or 3 games together [imcluding this one] and two are ongoing so there will be no links. I just like him as a player and find myself agreeing with him a lot. The concern I addressed is the one you asked me about in 1094. Is that really confusing?

[BK201]

"Imma pretend I don't know his alignment by seeming very unsure even after his hammer."

Give me a minute to find a link. I was in a game where BenScum was hammered and pretended to be Town in an attempt to solicit some last piece of information for his scumbuddies.

Would like this still.

[BK201]

you might not but im protecting acosmist

He died. What's up with this?

Why are you rolefishing?

[BK201]

Not to mention I clarified that was a typo. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p4178594

Also, assuming I am actually a protection role of some kind, what is the town-motivation for bringing that back to light?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: PV

[MagnaofIllusion]

I'll get to posts since my last tomorrow (including Yates' quite chucklesome "WIFOMWFIOMWIFOM") but wanted to share my reason why I'm pretty sure Yates + Thor is 2/3 of the Mafia

Dark Side of the Moon Mafia

Read Thor's posts and you can understand why I think he's scum with Yates. The parallels here are strong.

1. Defends very obv-scum partner (there Omba / here Yates) saying they are Town.
2. Uses "Hey, competing wagons are great" as a secondary reason why he justifies his push against Partners list.
3. Buddying to traditionally weaker players (Kondi there / Syndrome and McQueen here) to appeal to their "Thor must be Town he's being nice and reading me correctly" vanity.

It's nice reading and the reason why Thor needs rope once Yates flips scum.

[Thor665]

The only issue I have with that is that you think I'd do stuff in my scum games that i wouldn't do as town. But, yeah, if Yates flips scum I know the boat I'm in - if he doesn't flip scum though does that make me awesome again?

[Yates]

Read Thor's posts and you can understand why I think he's scum with Yates. The parallels here are strong.

So you are arguing that Thor is taking a page out of a game where his buddy was lynched day 1 and he was lynched day 2?

Wow. Just.... wow.

[Thor665]

I was lynched Day 2 off a cop investigation by MoI - I actually don't see an intrinsic flaw in his take in bringing up the meta other than what I already mentioned.

[Yates]

Oh. I just looked at the first post.

[Yates]

Then I guess this is the only part I am interested in hearing:

...if he doesn't flip scum though does that make me awesome again?

Would Town Yates = Town Thor? Or would you find another way of linking our fates?

[Slandaar]

Yates: How many games have you played with PV as scum?
and I have no idea what concern you are talking about.

Where PV waqs scum or where *I* was scum? I think we've only been in 2 or 3 games together [imcluding this one] and two are ongoing so there will be no links. I just like him as a player and find myself agreeing with him a lot. The concern I addressed is the one you asked me about in 1094. Is that really confusing?

So why is it you say you think;
PV thinks you are too good as scum to be run up on d1 without someone bussing if he has no prior experience with you as scum?

[Yates]

So why is it you say you think;

I only remember him from this and one other and those are the only two games that show up in my "view your posts" when I search for his name. I say "I think" because I guess there's a possibility he was in a game or replaced into a game that was eaten by Tigers.

PV thinks you are too good as scum to be run up on d1 without someone bussing if he has no prior experience with you as scum?

That's a good question for PV. My assumption is that he thinks I'm a competent player in general [as asserted by Acosmist and others], but I could be wrong.

[Yates]

I say "I think" because I guess there's a possibility he was in a game or replaced into a game that was eaten by Tigers.

I stand corrected. He was scum in this game with you. I was Town. [Required full name search to find it instead of just "Pere"]

[Slandaar]

That's a good question for PV

. My assumption is that he thinks I'm a competent player in general [as asserted by Acosmist and others], but I could be wrong.

Well its not because he never answered the question saying this.

I am trying to figure out why you would assume he thinks this with no experience with him when you are scum. He would have no basis to think this.

And your link is irrelevant, him being scum with Yatestown does not make any sense in context, I am looking at the idea you think PV thinks;
'Yatesscum is too good to be run up without bussing' so a game where you are town is not useful to base this on is it?

[Yates]

You aren't making sense anymore. He didn't say "Yates scum is too good..." nor did I imply that he did [*you* implied that, in fact]. I think you need to reread post 1082 again. His logic assumes [and I think rightfully so] that if I were scum one of my scum buddies would have had to have been bussing me in order to get me to L-2 [at least one of my scum buddies would want to be on a Yates wagon that resulted in a Yates scum flip, right?] and then would have had to "jump ship" onto the Benmage wagon in order to get the counter wagon to go through rather than mine.

[MagnaofIllusion]

@BK – get your ass back on Yates.

You abandoned his wagon yesterday and you damn well better not be abandoning it again. Don’t get distraced by the derp being posted in thread. Yates is scum looking to weasel his way out of the righteous rope!

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Fair enough, in which case, if Yates is scum, which of his bussing buddies jumped ship to lynch BenMage instead?

Only person who could possibly fit that criteria is Syndrome (voting Yates as iDany and then hopped over when Syndrome replaced in and he sheeped Thor) and given my reads currently I don’t see scum-Syndrome being so blatant about sheeping scum Thor.

Peregrine you just need to put aside your thought and sheep someone who can actually find scum. Vote Yates.

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The only issue I have with that is that you think I'd do stuff in my scum games that i wouldn't do as town. But, yeah, if Yates flips scum I know the boat I'm in - if he doesn't flip scum though does that make me awesome again?

Well given the use of again means you were awesome at some point (and power-wagonning Benmage to save scum-Yates clearly wasn’t) … so you know …

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Yeah I'm regretting my decision yesterday. :/ My townread on Yates was pretty strong though, and Thor didn't look crazy and my townread on Benmage wasn't very strong.

I regret voting for Benmage. I even knew voting Yates was the "correct" play and intended to do it, but Yates'#978 hit all the right chords and I couldn't bring myself to lynch someone I was getting such strong town vibes off of. Which, now that I go back and read it, raises a question.

Yeah and yet you aren’t voting scum-Yates today. Why is that? Is it because you don’t want to bus?

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Yates - This primarily goes off of his Krillin VT claim and the lack of a CC. I can not imagine whatsoever a Saiyan Saga DBZ Mafia that did not have Krillin and him being a VT makes perfect sense. However, I feel that he is being quite aggressive for Town as of right now.

Insert face-palm pic here

Vote Yates so you can redeem yourself after posting this …

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I suggest you go look at the vote counts [feel free to ISO Pappums] to see what really happened as you are completely wrong. Acosmist was the first wagon with legs and got to L-1 before I even posted. If I were scum, all I had to do was hammer with my first post and hey, free dead cop. So I guess the first thing you should answer if you want to continue on your Yates tunnel is this; why wouldn't I just hammer as scum? It's not like I bought any Town points by NOT hammering.

Well BK has already blew this up pretty handily. I will say I find it funny you are suggesting “I didn’t troll hammer on page 1-3 so that makes me Town” given scum doing so would get insta-lynched Day 2 when Acos flipped Cop.

Actually it was closer to 24 hours. I voted Ben on Monday the 9th and you hammered him Tuesday the 10th. Thanks for saving me from a lynch.

Oh it was only 24 hours? Thanks for making my point even stronger that Benmage was a terrible wagon driven by scum to save your ass. Actually you should thank Benmage and BK for saving you … they were the ones that unvoted making you unviable at deadline.

Again, are you of the opinion that ALL of the scum team jumped onto the Benmage wagon? That's the only way that scum can engineer a counter wagon last second. Unless, of course, you are arguing that it is in Town's best interest to always vote for the largest wagon at the end of the day, logic be damned? How did that work out for you?

Yeah, I think both your partners probably did vote to save your ass. Suggesting it doesn’t make sense? Lulz.

It is in Town’s interest not to flash-wagon a player in the last 24 hours of the Day (again, thanks for correcting my impression on that) when a scummy VT claim is sitting at L-1. That’s pretty basic Mafia common sense. Do you need a refresher in Road to Rome?

Which also brings me to a direct question; why did YOU hammer Benmage? Did you even care if he was Town or not?

I hammered Benmage at deadline because we needed a lynch and he was the only option thanks to him and BK stupidly unvoting you. No-Lynch Day 1 would have been a disaster. Now at least we know he was Town, the wagon on him was terrible and scum-driven and you need rope since you were saved and still scummy as fuck.

So you are arguing that Thor is taking a page out of a game where his buddy was lynched day 1 and he was lynched day 2?

Wow. Just.... wow.

Oh. I just looked at the first post.

Oh look .. Yates just glanced at the first post and then thought he could make a disparaging remark based on that. Just like scum to go looking for things they think they could make look bad as opposed to actually scum-hunting.

The difference there was scum didn’t succeed in bailing out their partner like Thor did with you here.

The more you know ..

MORE YATES VOTES PLEASE!!!!!!!

[Thor665]

The only issue I have with that is that you think I'd do stuff in my scum games that i wouldn't do as town. But, yeah, if Yates flips scum I know the boat I'm in - if he doesn't flip scum though does that make me awesome again?

Well given the use of again means you were awesome at some point (and power-wagonning Benmage to save scum-Yates clearly wasn’t) … so you know …]

...That you're dodging the question and that the case on me being scum is predicated on rather poor reasons considering my usual play?
Okay, you don't need to say it out loud.

Also, interesting note, you're saying that if I'm town Syndromescum makes sense but since I'm scum he doesn't. Just making sure of that.

[MagnaofIllusion]

...That you're dodging the question and that the case on me being scum is predicated on rather poor reasons considering my usual play?
Okay, you don't need to say it out loud.

Also, interesting note, you're saying that if I'm town Syndromescum makes sense but since I'm scum he doesn't. Just making sure of that.

Well nice twisting attempt Thor. Grade A ... would read again.

Your "self-meta" defense is rather meaningless and you know this. I identified your play rather easily as scum in Acos' game. I'm fairly confident I'm reading you right given my thoughts (since you helped save Yates yesterday).

No ... I'm saying that Syndrome doesn't make sense as scum being that you followed along with scum-you so easily. Why are you trying to put words in my mouth? Nervous that when you Nightkill me that people will for once NOT forget to listen to the dead?