Mini 1350: Spartacus Blood and Sand Mafia Day 2

[MattP]

Would go agree to a dr wagon?

no

you should feel bad for wanting him dead so bad

I feel so much shame

[inte]

like, your case is basically meta and i don't do meta unless i've experienced it myself

[Phillammon]

WHisper: The fiasco was the scrambling to deny that you deserved the mass prod, but there wasn't much there. As for derpy, the main thing that worries me is the early head to head offer, and that smells very scummy to me, particularly when he then starts going off on someone else, having said that the person he offered to go head to head with "didn't look too scummy"

I now realize, unfortunately, that head to head in this mechanic and head to head normally could mean different things if interpreted differently, which I apologize for. However, after that, derpy still looks scummy, and it's still offering to self-lynch, effectively.

[drmyshotgun]

Mafia-n00b's jump on D3f3nd wagon looks too easy but I think him requesting prod on others are good sign.

This was the last dr said about d3f before voting him. Let that marinate

Yeah just pile on random bullshits on my ass until some dumb ones listen to you.
Make a point instead of showing this and showing that.

[MattP]

Yeah just pile on random bullshits on my ass until some dumb ones listen to you.
Make a point instead of showing this and showing that.

Yeah just say stuff like this in an attempt to shut me up even though it's a valid point.

If you claimed scum noone would believe it

[Apple Jack]

I just got home from driving all day long, and tomorrow is yet another busy day so I will read up on what I missed hopefully before the day ends but seeing this last page Phil is talking about me I have a couple of questions for him.



@ Phil - you think I am scummy because I offered myself into the duel? you realize I was being wagond for absolutely no reason and not a single person was making a case on me so I could defend myself and nobody was questioning the people mindlessly wagoning either myself or shotty . I said I didn't care about going into a duel cause I really don't care. Self-Sacrificing may be considered bad play to some, but it certainly isn't a scumtell. it's one of the biggest mis-conceptions on the site imo

also do you even know why i voted Shotty in the first place and do you know why I changed off him? because reading your post I don't think you actually know why I did it.

and I assure you it has nothing to do with the reason you gave in your post. SO i'd suggest you go back and actually read why I voted shotty and why I changed it, and who/what made me realize my vote was ill placed.

[chesskid3]

Votecount 11.1:

Phillammon: inte, ActionDan, drmyshotgun, Matias, Code_X, D3f3nd3r, havingfitz (LYNCH)

Matias: PeregrineV, mafia-n00b (L-5)
Inte: whispersilk (L-6)
D3f3nd3r: Derpy Hooves (L-6)


Not voting (2): Phillammon, MattP

Votecount 12.2:

havingfitz: Derpy Hooves, Matias, MattP, D3f3nd3r (L-3)
D3f3nd3r: whispersilk, mafia-n00b, drmyshotgun, havingfitz, ActionDan, inte (L-1)
Code_X: PeregrineV (L-6)
whispersilk: Code_X (L-6)
Derpy Hooves: Phillammon (L-6)

Not voting (0):

Deadline is 1PM EST on the 17th

Derpy Hooves is V/LA until the 16th

[chesskid3]

Sorry for the delay. I am very busy, and dealing with a retarded week long ban for posting thoughtful posts on another forum has taken any desire of mine to be on this forum.

[D3f3nd3r]

MOD: My vote is on Havingfitz.

[Code_X]

Will ISO defender and Fitz later as in tonight and will then lay a vote down.

Other games taking priority I'm afraid.

[Apple Jack]

Derpy has good points on fitz, fitz's "whoops I hammered" post is scummy as fuck, and he has a decent wagon on him so counterwagon gogogo

Derpy's points on me are bullshit and equate to my lack of presence (4th of July) and the opinion that I am not scumhunting. The first point not being a scum indicator (and I am back and have been back to posting again) and everyone scumhunts differently. Who has scum hunt today? Until we have some flips it's all a crapshoot. I can tell you those on my wagon who think they are scumhunting are doing a terrible job because there is no case on me and I'm town.

As for the hammer....wtf did it matter? For one thing...it's not a reason I'm aware of that any of the first three people voting me voted me. As for the hammer itself, I meant it when I placed my vote (ie my intention to lynch Phil) and I explained my habit of keeping my own votecounts. So I got one wrong. Phil had his chance to claim (and still does for that matter) and he blew it. No regrets on my part for hammering him. If you guys want his claim so bad ask him for it.

As for D3f....his post wrt me is silly. He would have come across more genuine if he had just said he was voting his counterwagon for survival. He's not in my top 3 or 4 of suspects but like I said earlier...I prefer his lynch to my own and none of my other suspects are getting any support. I'd be happy to move to a Derpy wagon....or even a Matias vs a D3f. I wouldn't be voting my counterwagon if it was someone I had a town read on so luckily D3f is at least a bit scummy.

I see you didn't answer my question and I realize that I didn't make it clear enough, so I will make it clear now

Question 1. why did you declare a v/la early on in the game for a weekend but not declare one for a 5 day vacation?

Question 2. why would you post that you were going to start providing more content right before you were going on a 5 day vacation anyway?

also in the post where you hammered Phil you make this comment, can you explain exactly what you mean by the bolded part?

I really do not like Phil's game so far....

little to no contribution (aside from his 3 suspects)

of value and currently no votes out. WTF

Also do you realize before you hammered Phil and voted me, you had no votes out yourself?

also in that same post you said your top scum reads were Phil, Myself, Matais, and MattP but much later in the game Matt votes you and all you do is ask why and post an IGMEOU smiley. If Matt was one of your scum reads, why such a timid response? And why would you put an IGMEOU smiley if you had already declared him a scum read?

please answer all of these points please...

[chesskid3]

MOD: My vote is on Havingfitz.

Fixed

[havingfitz]

Suuuuuuuure....I'll answer for the sake of town.

Derpy has good points on fitz, fitz's "whoops I hammered" post is scummy as fuck, and he has a decent wagon on him so counterwagon gogogo

Derpy's points on me are bullshit and equate to my lack of presence (4th of July) and the opinion that I am not scumhunting. The first point not being a scum indicator (and I am back and have been back to posting again) and everyone scumhunts differently. Who has scum hunt today? Until we have some flips it's all a crapshoot. I can tell you those on my wagon who think they are scumhunting are doing a terrible job because there is no case on me and I'm town.

As for the hammer....wtf did it matter? For one thing...it's not a reason I'm aware of that any of the first three people voting me voted me. As for the hammer itself, I meant it when I placed my vote (ie my intention to lynch Phil) and I explained my habit of keeping my own votecounts. So I got one wrong. Phil had his chance to claim (and still does for that matter) and he blew it. No regrets on my part for hammering him. If you guys want his claim so bad ask him for it.

I see you didn't answer my question and I realize that I didn't make it clear enough, so I will make it clear now

Question 1. why did you declare a v/la early on in the game for a weekend but not declare one for a 5 day vacation?

Question 2. why would you post that you were going to start providing more content right before you were going on a 5 day vacation anyway?

also in the post where you hammered Phil you make this comment, can you explain exactly what you mean by the bolded part?

I really do not like Phil's game so far....

little to no contribution (aside from his 3 suspects)

of value and currently no votes out. WTF

Also do you realize before you hammered Phil and voted me, you had no votes out yourself?

also in that same post you said your top scum reads were Phil, Myself, Matais, and MattP but much later in the game Matt votes you and all you do is ask why and post an IGMEOU smiley. If Matt was one of your scum reads, why such a timid response? And why would you put an IGMEOU smiley if you had already declared him a scum read?

please answer all of these points please...

Answer 1. Because I was actually on vacation (ie away from home) camping in an area with little to no signal for my phone. Even though a v/LA wasn't required (due to the short duration), I tend to do v/LAs when I believe posting will be limited (regardless of the duration).

The "5-day vacation" was in reference to July 4th through 8th which is a holiday period in the US. I had no other conflicts anticipated when I stated I would be catching up (ie I did not believe posting would be limited ergo no posted v/LA). Turns out the majority of the 5 days was spent enjoying time with family and not online. I think in my four games att I made 10 or 11 posts over those four days. So none of my games got my attention over those 5 days.

Answer 2. Answered above. I anticipated no lack of access (which was correct) and therefore did not post a v/LA. What I didn't foresee was my time being taken by other activities.

Answer regarding the "bolded part"....Phils only contribution remotely beneficial to the game was him listing his three suspects. Everything else has been useless IMO.

Answer regarding your

"do you realize before you hammered Phil and voted me, you had no votes out yourself?"

...at the time I made this comment and did not have a vote out

I'd had no votes out for about 1 day.

Barely over 24 hrs. And I had unvoted because I was dedicating myself to a refresh of the game. Alternatively, at the time I made my no vote comment and vote towards Phil....

he hadn't had a vote out in 6 days.

He unvoted for no reason and his failure to commit to anyone (as is still the case I think) was unacceptable.

@Derpy,

How can you even compare my lack of a vote with Phil's? You are really working to come up with negatives towards me and everything you try to come up with is weak shit. That is way more scummy than any of the activity level related suspicions you are pushing towards me.

Answer regarding my IGMEOU towards MattP. WTF are you asking this for? I expressed that I had suspicions towards him. He subsequently did something I considered scummy...and I enforced my FOS with the IGMEOU.

How about you explain how any of the questions you ask above are indicative of or support determining a player's alignment? And please don't respond because you don't think town would say/do such things please.

[chesskid3]

Oops. Prodding Matias and mafia-n00b.

[Apple Jack]

I guess you don't realize I live in America but I do and July 4th through the 8th isn't an American holiday period....

so you have basically lost me right there

not to mention your argument of "well he had no votes down for 6 days and I only had no votes for 1"

lack of votes sadly isn't a scumtell, it's null. Your reasons for your votes were way to weak to deserve a hammer, it just looks like you were joining the largest wagon.


my questions are showing how you seem to be lying and voting for horrible reasons, which is indicative of a scum alignment.

[havingfitz]

Nice misrep Derpy....show me one lie. How are my reasons for voting Phil any different than the other people on his wagon? Remember....you aren't voting me for voting Phil....you are just making a sad effort to continue to justify your crap case on me.

Misreps and pushing extrememly weak/crap/non-existent cases are scummy. Ie...note to town...Derpy is scummy.

What don't you understand about the difference between my lack of votes and Phil's? You brought it up as an issue. Are you trying to intentionally not get my explanation? The two situations are completely different and the fact you try to infer something negative towards me by bringing it up at all shines a negative light on you.

As for "lack of votes isn't a scumtell"....why do you bring it up then? And before you try to infer something wrt my comments to Phil...I did not vote him for not having a vote out. I was trying to spur him to place some votes (more proff I was unaware I was hammering him as I did not know we could continue voting after our lynches).

As for the 4th....most of the people I work with either took the two days before or the two days after the 4th off. I took the two after. That means I had 5 days of holidaying. If you didn't....sweet

[mafia-n00b]

I'm here. Been busy since Friday. Still want d3f as v2 lynch.

[inte]

From where I'm from 4th or July lasts a day
Whatever

[mafia-n00b]

FWIW, I know people who took the two extra days off. Regardless, this argument is retarded.

[havingfitz]

FWIW, I know people who took the two extra days off. Regardless, this argument is retarded.

I agree.

[ActionDan]

Checking in. I won't be around at 1 PM tomorrow, but I'd like for a responsible person to claim the hammer on Defender, unless that's been already done.

Where is Matias?

[chesskid3]

Deadline is in 12 hours

[Apple Jack]

Nice misrep Derpy....show me one lie. How are my reasons for voting Phil any different than the other people on his wagon? Remember....you aren't voting me for voting Phil....you are just making a sad effort to continue to justify your crap case on me.

I believe that you are lying, so I can say that you are. I won't know until end-game if you are telling the truth or not but since you pointed it out yourself earlier, you did make 2 posts on site July 4th, 4 posts July 5th, 1 on July 6th, and 1 on July 7th, yet you could not manage a single post in here after you PROMISED that you would post more? Not even a v/la post when you were able to do one earlier in the game? this is why I think you are lying. If you KNEW you were on v/la or even just la, you could have posted here to say so. So this is just a case of my opinion vs yours. I think you are lying and you say you aren't but imo the evidence supports my opinion more than it does yours so I am sticking with that one.

Misreps and pushing extrememly weak/crap/non-existent cases are scummy. Ie...note to town...Derpy is scummy.

Misrep is subjective, of course you will say i am mis-repping you but I disagree. As for the weak/crap/non-exsistent case, well it's funny the only one saying my case on you is weak/crap/non-exsistent is you. If someone else wants to chime in and say they agree with you than maybe I will concede that my case is weak/crap/non-exsistent. And it's funny you mention that... I am actually glad you mention weak/crap/non-exsistent cases. Do you realize your hammer of Phil was due to a weak/crap/non-exsistent case? so if I am scummy in your opinion, than you are equally scummy.

What don't you understand about the difference between my lack of votes and Phil's? You brought it up as an issue. Are you trying to intentionally not get my explanation? The two situations are completely different and the fact you try to infer something negative towards me by bringing it up at all shines a negative light on you.

I brought it up as an issue because you were using Phil's lack of votes as a reason to vote him. I merely pointed out that you also had no votes at the time until you hammered him. I also don't get how the situations are different, it was a crap reason to vote him and you were equally guilty. I am not voting you because you didn't have votes down, i am trying to understand. And how does me pointing out that your hammer vote had a horrible reasoning behind it, shine a negative light on me? personally I don't think it does, and if it does than oh well. I am not worried about how I am perceived by others.

As for "lack of votes isn't a scumtell"....why do you bring it up then? And before you try to infer something wrt my comments to Phil...I did not vote him for not having a vote out. I was trying to spur him to place some votes (more proff I was unaware I was hammering him as I did not know we could continue voting after our lynches).

I brought it up because you used that as a reason to hammer Phil...

I also don't buy you didn't know you were hammering him.


if you compare my case on you next to your case on phil or even your case on me, I think most people would agree the points in my case are valid. I have to assume that because nobody has told me I am wrong.

At this point it looks like defender will be lynched so it looks like your buddies are doing a good job pushing that counter wagon...

[whispersilk]

Derpy, there is only 3 hours left, please move your vote to defender, otherwise there will be no fight and no lynch at all. I am not confident that there will be anyone here to hammer him come deadline.

[whispersilk]

Also, who do you think is pushing the defender wagon?