Open 421-Pamplona II: Electric Bullgaloo! Game over

[inte]

god damnit bitmap fuck you, seriously. you make it hard not to lynch you

[Bitmap]

VOTE: Bitmap

OMGUS. And here I was about to give you kudos for being a strong player. And now I understand you were just sheeping on DLG on the first two pages because DLG did all the work to put pressure on me while you just jumped along for the ride. And then you decide to follow BK and vote Inte with the intent on looking good and bandwagoning. And seriously, what was up with that Inte vote? Policy lynch for words that weren't that offensive to begin with?

This gives me more of a Null/Town read on DLG now because it just seems you were sheeping and bandwagoning him so you can attack me.

And what's wrong with digging up evidence on other players from past game? I'm trying to connect behavioral postings of Rach from last game and this game to see what her possible alignment is.

I will go against a bandwagon/hammer if I honestly think it will end up being a mislynch.

I'll ISO Greywing tomorrow. It's late As for now,

@DLG: Do you think Greywing is scummy and bandwagoning? Do you understand the whole policy lynch he has made? What do you think of his current vote on me? Do you think I was wrong to call it an OMGUS? Is it scummy for someone to research someone's past game and analyze behavior as a factor for alignment?

[UberNinja]

Link to the original Pamplona here. For your reading pleasure.

where?

You have to actually click the link.

there was no link before, obviously

tsk tsk revisionism

[UberNinja]

@Uber: Can you explain why certain players are either scum or town by their posts? I know those posts are extremely early and some are quoted from RVS but I would like to hear explanations.

No.

And only VIs lynch this early.

And no.

[UberNinja]

god damnit bitmap fuck you, seriously. you make it hard not to lynch you

[Bitmap]

@inte: What the fuck are you complaining about? Should I sheep all the other people all the time just to mislynch in the end? I believe in finding the scum and not being a sheep and herded like an animal.

@grey: Explain your vote.

[Bitmap]

@Uber: Maybe you should read the whole 12 pages instead of just giving shit reasons to think I'm scum. Look over your post again. All the quotes you have were from the first 4-5 pages of the game. Maybe after that, you can get back to me with more "current" and "concise" leads.

[Bitmap]

@Uber: Can you explain why certain players are either scum or town by their posts? I know those posts are extremely early and some are quoted from RVS but I would like to hear explanations.

No.

So you're saying that your posts have no reasoning behind them?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: UberNinja

[UberNinja]

People who complain about sheeping are usually scum with votes on them.

i.e. The last quote on this page: UberNinja/Games/Newbie_1206

[UberNinja]

@Uber: Can you explain why certain players are either scum or town by their posts? I know those posts are extremely early and some are quoted from RVS but I would like to hear explanations.

No.

So you're saying that your posts have no reasoning behind them?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: UberNinja

LOL

[Bitmap]

@Uber: Oh boy, Uber with them sick plays man. And just because one person said it doesn't mean I should give a damn to someone who can't be bothered to give an actual backup to that person's logic who keeps on saying: "I'll read it, eventually."

[Bitmap]

People who complain about sheeping are usually scum with votes on them.

i.e. The last quote on this page: UberNinja/Games/Newbie_1206

People who think in one mindset and think scum follows a strict set of rules and behavior patterns are pretty much playing against town right now. You haven't been contributing to town. You're reasoning and posts are way outdated. And all I hear from you is "I'll get to it, eventually."

[Bitmap]

This is why I refer back to Rach's past games to give me an idea of her play style so I can see if it fits with her possible alignment.

I think of mafia as a chess game. Sure, meta and remembering how to play the beginning steps are important, but if you can't think for yourself and just mindlessly throw moves that you read and memorized somewhere, you're not going to be a great chess player. Meta can get you only so far. Since mafia/chess are so dynamic, the players themself will not necessarily follow a set scum pattern on the wiki.

[Bitmap]

And yes, I play chess. Anyways, I want to hear from people who don't post as much like Uber, Hyperion, DoubleJD, RachMarie, Near, and McStab instead of throwing a half-assed post from only the first 3-4 pages. I don't want to lynch someone who's only reason to lynch is inactivity.

[drmyshotgun]

@Uber - Ongoing games.

[drmyshotgun]

@DMS:

Hey DMS, remember our last game where Rach was the doc?
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=22080 <- This game finished. Don't kill my corpse please
ISO her posts and just scroll down casually. Her posts never really had any content and she was always playing it safe and such. However, part of it was when she was VLA. And ironically, she ended up being the doctor? Do you think Rach has a pro-town PR this time and is trying to not cause attention to herself?

Don't give me a fucking link to tell me a player is Town in this game just like the other one.

@Gunny, those quotes look a lot more like "I agree with this post, so you're townie" than actual townie posts. I could see scum motivation in more than one of those quotes(mine included)

Yeah? Looked pretty sincere to me.

Uber is Town Bitmap. Stop being a dumbass.

[McStab]

Here's where I stand with my reads:


andrew94/UberNinja - Null. Nothing of substance said yet minus andrew's weird bandwagon on bitmap. UberNinja just replaced in but really looking for some more posts before I can make a judgement.
Bitmap - Townish. Every vote after the one on me (DLG, drmyshotgun, Hyperion and BK201) are OMGUS. The whole "inte arguing with BK201 is funny" was unproductive, as are many of his other statements. The hyper-defensiveness had me thinking he's scum. But, in spite of all this, asking why he was unvoted once he was put on L-1, rather than targeting the person who put him at L-1, which is a very townish reaction. Post #271 screams of rolefishing though. @Bitmap - Why would you post this? What is the purpose of posting that?
BK201 - Townish. His pressure on inte is at the point of tunnelling, but I've got a good gut read on him being town and his correct assessment of Bitmap as town feels like a good catch, and something indicative of a nitpicky town player.
DLG - Townish. Solid logic, solid scumhunting, ability to change opinions without really coming across as a fencesitter. More of a gutread than my other townreads, but still leaning town in my mind.
DoubleJD - Null. Brevity and a lack of taking a strong stance on things has left me without a clear read on him, but I don't think that this is intentional. Time will tell.

Drmyshotgun - Scum. Something is off here, I know a fair amount about Drmy's meta, and there is definitely something amiss. Perhaps it's a little more defensive, or a little more aggressive, but I also think he's sending people into his town read section very quickly. Attacking people who haven't posted much is fine policy, but it's also easy to do, and strikes me as a non-controversial and easily performed attack by scum trying to appear to scumhunt. On a note about his reads, they are also completely illogical. See post #259 - Johnny is definitely town because he posted that he'd kill someone? At best this is a slight town-tell. While I agree Bitmap is town, his post telling people to screw themselves isn't a good post for helping the town. This reads to me as scum trying to buddy to a townie without having found the real signs that point to Bitmap being town, or at least a very very flawed reason to suspect someone is town. Same for his read on Inte. Then Near must be town because he has two similar reads and then declares DMS as not scum? OMGUR? (Oh My God U Rock .Also the hostility towards Bitmap only one post later strikes me as super-defensive scum.

Greywing - Null. Tunnelling Bitmap a fair bit, but many of his points make sense. @Greywing - What do you make of him asking why you unvoted him? Do you think this is a plausible scum reaction, or more likely town? Obviously your reasons for thinking that would be great to go with it.
Hyperion - Scummy. Making tons of accusations but offering very little to back them up. For example, while the post about RachMarie makes sense, how does Greywing get put under suspicion? He posted first. Also, BK had the most logic and reasoning behind his vote. The arguments Hyperion makes make sense, but his conclusions from them don't.
inte - Town. While his playstyle and tone is without a doubt offensive to some, I think it's so brash and aggressive that it's hard to envision inte being scum. Also his complex position on bitmap just doesn't make sense as scum. If he was scum, and Bitmap is scum, he wouldn't post things like "you make it hard not to lynch you". If Bitmap was town, he would help jump on the wagon and declare him as scum because "it's hard not to lynch him".
JohnnyFarrar - Null. Fine logic, decent reads, but I get the sense he's trying to fly under the radar.
Near - Null leaning scum. I'd prefer it if Near makes a nice big post about Bitmap being scum, Greywing being scum, and if it's possible both are scum. I get a big fencesitting/opportunist feel from his posts so far, but then again, he hasn't made any that are long than a sentence yet.
RachMarie - Scummy. Super sheeping Greywing this whole game. @Rach - I would like to see a detailed post explaining who you think is scummy and why.


With that, I'm going to go ahead and put my vote on

Vote:drmyshotgun

[Nobody Special]

Votecount 1.06

Bitmap - 3 - UberNinja, Near, Greywing
BK201 - 2 - DoubleJD, Hyperion
Greywing - 2 - JohnnyFarrar, inte
inte - 2 - RachMarie, BK201
drmyshotgun - 1 - McStab
Hyperion - 1 - drmyshotgun
UberNinja - 1 - Bitmap

Not Voting: DLG

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

V/LA: ...

Deadline: (expired on 2012-08-01 03:51:02)

[Bitmap]

@Mcstab: I was more intended to fish alignment than roles.

@DMS: w/e, UberNinja hasn't even posted as much yet you claim he's town already?

[DLG]

@ Bitmap
Do you have any idea why your # 271 looks extremely scummy?

@DLG: Do you think Greywing is scummy and bandwagoning? Do you understand the whole policy lynch he has made? What do you think of his current vote on me? Do you think I was wrong to call it an OMGUS? Is it scummy for someone to research someone's past game and analyze behavior as a factor for alignment?

I haven't considered anything from Greywing scummy with the sole exception of the inte situation. I'm reviewing that whole thing to see what I can make of it.

Greywing's current vote on you was not OMGUS, and I think you were wrong to label it so. Meta research is not scummy. It kind of shows a Town mindset in that the researcher appears to be trying to figure things out. However, what you did was scummy for a specific reason. See my question to you above.

This is SO scummy. So nonchalant. So non-townie.

Is nonchalant scummy?
What was "non-townie" about Bitmap's post?

Actually I am torn between Greywing and Bitmap. Bitmap wagon seems better, but maybe they are scums together anyway.

What seemed better about the Bitmap wagon?

[Bitmap]

@ Bitmap
Do you have any idea why your # 271 looks extremely scummy?

Yeah, I realize that it's considered role-fishing.

[Bitmap]

But I honestly meant for it mostly to tell Rach's alignment based on previous game.

[Bitmap]

I figured the word "PR" and "doctor" shouldn't have been used.

[inte]

this is really hard playing like 3 games with you at the same time. you're really someone who i have to go one at a time with

[inte]

ok well 2