Mini 1353 - Dr. Who Mafia - The End of Time (Game Over)

[Zang]

-- You have

one

finished game with me, in which we were both town, which you're certainly not checking because it was lost in the crash and it wasn't recovered AFAICT.
-- You apparently haven't meta'd me.
-- You have an

ongoing

game with me, in which we're both unflipped.

How do you take conclusions on "what I know of you" since you have no evidence?

FoS: triangle123

greenknight, promise I'll address that tonight. I have a game in LyLo but I know we're quite near to the deadline here too, so these two games are priorities.

[Starbuck]

I thought it was a scumslip, wanted more info.

An FoS is a weak response to what you think is a scumslip.

Agreed.

[kortul]

Back from V/LA. At work, but hopefully will finish ISOs before the evening. Quickly skimming on what happened during my absence.

This is my first

theme

game, so

i'd like to ask

those with more experience with themes - is bread-crumbing since the beginning with claiming VT later a normal practice in themed games?

Hmm, T-Bone is replacing? And i half-completed his ISO before leaving...

I read the exchange between tirangle and Tierce twice, but still not sure what exactly Tierce suspected to be there (info from other ongoing game?). Aha, some time later she confirmed that (only now noticed that triangle is female too).

Hmm, Grey feels that Tierce is angry because she is called scum for wrong reasons, but so far i remember only the outburst against triangle, and triangle was telling that luck of posting isn't a scum tell for Tierce, so maybe he noticed something else? Will return to this after the Tierce ISO.

T-Bone isn't replacing after all. Good. And Starbuck - thanks for the links.

I find myself agreeing with Starbuck that we can get a lot from a Tierce lynch today. GK in my opinion will not give as much detail for us to work on. I would be happy to lynch Tie today.

Jason

, so, you are not against GK lynch either, even though he is your townread? Also, you are agreeing with someone else that "we can get a lot from a Tierce lynch today", and where's "she is scum" part? Do

you

think that Tierce is scum, or are you just happy with her lynch today? If you do think she's scum - tell with your own words what do you find scummy about her and what we can get from her lynch?

@

T-Bone

, i think there were 1 or 2 cases where you and Acosmist misunderstood each other (and said so after his ISO), check it if you missed somehow - maybe you two should reassess your reads? Oh, and i started your ISO on Friday, and have a question. I am not sure from context as to what did you mean by the word attack in a quote below?

I commented on Triangle because he voted after Greenknight made a post explaining his actions, and I felt nothing scummy coming from Greenknight. Acomist and CMAR voted well before my posts, so stop trying to misrepresent my

attack.

I still think that Jason is the best lynch, i am sure of it logically, even though i completely don't understand him emotionally. He isn't doing anything, even though for the last several days no one was attacking him. This isn't town, and this isn't exactly scum behavior.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Vote Count 1.15 - As of post 478

Tierce (3) - GreyICE, Starbuck, jasonT1981
Greenknight (1) - triangle123
jasonT1981 (4) - Tierce, Iecerint, CryMeARiver, kortul
Acosmist (1) - T-Bone
Starbuck (1) - Greenknight
T-Bone (2) - Korlash, Acosmist

Not Voting (1) - Zang

The Current deadline is July 17, 2012 at 10:00 am EDT. Countdown is (expired on 2012-07-17 10:00:00).

With 13 active votes - 7 are required to lynch.

Activity Check - greenknight has been prodded.

[jasonT1981]

I find myself agreeing with Starbuck that we can get a lot from a Tierce lynch today. GK in my opinion will not give as much detail for us to work on. I would be happy to lynch Tie today.

Jason

,

so, you are not against GK lynch either, even though he is your townread?

Also, you are agreeing with someone else that "we can get a lot from a Tierce lynch today", and where's "she is scum" part? Do

you

think that Tierce is scum, or are you just happy with her lynch today? If you do think she's scum - tell with your own words what do you find scummy about her and what we can get from her lynch?

Don't twist my words. I never said GK was scum, I see him town. I was saying his lynch would not bring anywhere near as much info as Tierce.

[kortul]

Finished

T-Bone

ISO. I didn't like his initial posts, and don't agree with vote on Korlash, because the reasoning is weak (on both sides). At some time i most likely became biased because of what i saw as a possible scum slip, but after the opinions from triangle and Korlash (both actually think T-Bone is scummy and so can be viewed as independent third parties) that tell changed to null. I agree with his later thoughts on Jason and greenknight, so my read on him is neutral, slightly leaning town.

Doing ISO on Tierce now, since this might become wagon as well, and so far i still think she is town. But

Tierce

, you didn't answer my request for your opinion from last Thursday - gaming session or not, we have a dealine here as well.

We have like a day left, so if anybody is posting something, then don't just prod dodge, give an opinion and/or make a choice, don't wait until last minute. In all my previous games last minute wagons led to town lynches, people under time pressure tend to do wrong judgement calls (or just follow someone who they think knows what he/she is doing).

[kortul]

I find myself agreeing with Starbuck that we can get a lot from a Tierce lynch today. GK in my opinion will not give as much detail for us to work on. I would be happy to lynch Tie today.

Jason

,

so, you are not against GK lynch either, even though he is your townread?

Also, you are agreeing with someone else that "we can get a lot from a Tierce lynch today", and where's "she is scum" part? Do

you

think that Tierce is scum, or are you just happy with her lynch today? If you do think she's scum - tell with your own words what do you find scummy about her and what we can get from her lynch?

Don't twist my words. I never said GK was scum, I see him town. I was saying his lynch would not bring anywhere near as much info as Tierce.

Hmm, where did i claimed that you said GK was scum?

Instead of answering second part of that quote, you deflected by saying that i twisted your words (where?)...

[GreyICE]

Vigilante vigs from this list if he exists:

triangle123, T-Bone, Greenknight, Acosmist, Zang

Pick the scummiest, I don't fucking care. With 24 hours to deadline they're doing literally nothing to get a lynch through on anyone relevant. Each and every one of those jackasses deserves to die.

Korlash removed because he was on VLA.

But yeah, each and every one of those dinks needs to die, and vigilante, your bullets will be doing some serious good in there. I'd personally pick triangle, but up to you.

Jason/Tierce also VERY acceptable vig targets.

"Vig" someone else, and I'll assume that's a serial killer claim (and yes MoI puts those in his games, so don't try and claim 'oh he'd never do that')

[Tierce]

@Tierce, where are you? You definitely know both Jason and Grey better, i want to hear your opinion on this mess.

You mean this?

I've answered about Grey already--he's playing pretty close to his attitude on Destiny Mafia. I haven«t rechecked Blood Bowl (so many bad memories of that game), and yes, Grey ad homs and fakeclaims as town; iirc, he mentioned fakeclaiming as town in MD a while back, and I remember he fakeclaimed (and crumbed a different fakeclaim to draw a NK as bulletproof) as town in Blood Bowl. This is par for the course.

I don't know jason that well, but I followed Team Mafia this year; he was scum, was an universal townread, etc. etc.


I'm going to nameclaim, since we're running short on time.

I'm

River Song

, pulled from the Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead episodes. These are some of my crumbs:

Rose Rose Rose in the later

e

ps. After she grows up a bit, that

i

s--in the beginning she's just an obnoxious

t

wit. She is second to Amy, and then there's a large gap before the others even come close to '

e

m. (Redhead with Scottish accent just tops

e

verything.)

I'd riot, but that episode was very

w

eak.

As the game goes on and we focus into scumhunting, we're not going to be dealing much in the series, but fair warning about character

spoilers

,

S

tarbuck. >.>

The bolded above makes up 'Sweetie' in reverse, half of her "Hello Sweetie" greeting to the Doctor, reversed due to River's position in the timeline. The underlined 'spoilers' is another catchphrase.

It is only fair, when you point and laugh at archaeologists~

This wasn't

just

fluff--I was running with Korlash's Mrs. Smith joke due to the Season 6 events and the Doctor and River's first/final meeting at the Library:

The Doctor

: Oh, you're not, are you...? Tell me you're not archaeologists.

River Song

: Got a problem with archaeologists?

The Doctor

: I'm a time traveller. I point and laugh at archaeologists.

River Song

: Ah! ...Professor River Song. Archaeologist.[/b]

I do love a man who can enjoy a woman for what she is even if she has a

time head

.

River has Time Lord DNA and (

Season 6 spoilers

)

marries the Doctor.

So many things to do, so little time. Knowing how to fly a TARDIS is a bit irrelevant when you don't have one accessible at the moment.

She had lessons from the very best.

(it's like making a Dalek beg for mercy, you can't do it just once)

River does it three times.

[GreyICE]

OH OKAY

TIERCE IS OBVIOUS SCUM

LYNCH PLEASE

I'MMA GONNA NAME CLAIM WHILE KEEPING MY ROLE SECRET BECAUSE

LIKE

MOI DOESN'T GIVE SCUM FAKECLAIMS AND SHIT

EXECUTE HER

[GreyICE]

SO TIERCE

ARE YOU A DALEK OR A CYBERMAN

THE INQUIRING MASSES WANT TO KNOW

HMMM

KNOWING MOI IT'S TWO DALEKS AND THAT ASSHOLE EMPEROR GUY WHO WILL BE A GODFATHER (MOI LOVES GODFATHERS, EVEN WITHOUT COPS)

AM I CLOSE TIERCE?

[Tierce]

EXTERMINATE

Not even close, Grey. Stop tunneling, you idiot.

Go through my ISO. My role is pretty damn evident, but no, I'm not going to fullclaim.

[GreyICE]

So your contention is that if you breadcrumb a role it confirms you that role?

Hmmm

No.

How dare you accuse me of tunneling Tierce? Like literally, how dare you? I've done the exact opposite this game. Now if you want to accuse me of trying to lynch scum, guilty. You could self-vote to help me out.

Would you say partial claims are scummy Tierce? Yes or no?

[Tierce]

My contention is that I'm not going to fullclaim on D1, period. You can choose to lynch scum or hound me for the rest of the day on something you're not going to get.

[GreyICE]

I don't want your claim.

I want you dead.

[Korlash]

CMAR and Korlash are back from vacation today, so I'm interested in seeing what they have to say with a new week of developments. I asked for it probably 10 pages back, but I'd appreciate your read on Acomist, Korlash.

Ironically... I think he's fucking scum... >.> Stop voting him so it's not as weird to me...

This is my first theme game, so i'd like to ask those with more experience with themes - is bread-crumbing since the beginning with claiming VT later a normal practice in themed games?

Uh... I wouldn't call it normal per say, but when it comes to theme games you have both a role and a character. In most games you breadcrumb your role, because that is all you have, in a theme game though you have both, so yeah. I know people will breadcrumb their character even if they are vanilla.

However, realize that in a theme game scum likely have safeclaims for characters, so breadcrumbing them only to claim vanilla doesn't say 'a lot'... it's just something some people do.

I'm River Song, pulled from the Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead episodes. These are some of my crumbs:

Yeah... You know you don't have to breadcrumb like every third post right? I was starting to have fun breadcrumbing who you were... >.>

Okay... so where I stand on Teirce... I dislike that this wagon was single handedly built from nothing by ICE over like... 4 pages. It started with nothing and has gained minor support on nothing with, I believe hopes, that the deadline would push it further. This is a crap wagon at this time.

I don't like Acomist right now, but not enough to push his lynch, barely enough to want to pressure him. Since I don't appear to have time I have to shelve him.

I also have pangs from Starbuck and a small pang from Kortul but neither of them are in lynch rang so I have to keep them shelved for now as well.

This leaves me with my prior three, T-Bone, Zangt, and Jason... none of whom have done anything to alleviate my suspicions. So... yeah...

Unvote:, Vote: Jason

[Zang]

Korlash- Why am I scum?

Can somebody please tell me what the case against Tierce is?

[Tierce]

Yeah... You know you don't have to breadcrumb like every third post right? I was starting to have fun breadcrumbing who you were... >.>

It's Doctor Who.

I think the only game in which I'd have more fun breadcrumbing everywhere and then some would be a Sandman game. >.>

[Korlash]

Korlash- Why am I scum?

Honestly I don't know why you are scum. Maybe it's your bastardized sense of morality. Or a tragic event in your past that lead to such behavior today. Perhaps you believe you have no perpose and adopt the roles handed to you by others. I think the only person who can answer why you are scum is you yourself.

It's Doctor Who. I think the only game in which I'd have more fun breadcrumbing everywhere and then some would be a Sandman game. >.>

Eh, never been a fan of DC... But to each their own...

[Zang]

Korlash- you know what I mean. Why do you think that I'm scum?

[Tierce]

It's Doctor Who. I think the only game in which I'd have more fun breadcrumbing everywhere and then some would be a Sandman game. >.>

Eh, never been a fan of DC... But to each their own...

Shame, sir, sir. Vertigo (under DC, sure), and by the hands of the lord of dreams himself, Neil Gaiman. If you liked Sexy's episode, you had better give these a try.

[Starbuck]

Vigilante vigs from this list if he exists: triangle123, T-Bone, Greenknight, Acosmist, Zang

I support this list.

Zang, you are the only person not voting for anyone. Who do you think is scum?

[Korlash]

Korlash- you know what I mean. Why do you think that I'm scum?

We've already covered it way back when and I don't feel the need to immediately reacquaint myself with this games past. But you add in my past suspicions with the fact you are not currently voting anyone even with the pressing deadline plus the fact I cannot remember the last person you DID vote, and your comments about how you have some people you would vote for but wont because they haven't done anything just sounds whack.

You say you might vote for Teirce and even show to have some understanding of a case on her what with adding your own bit about her FoS being weak, but you stick to simply 'asking for a case on her' without taking ANY pro-active action in either finding the case, or making your own conclusion. This close to deadline with NO ONE you're willing to vote for, to say "you would vote for Teirce" but not actually look/find a reason to does not sound like a town action. It looks like you are simply idling there waiting for the rest of us to make a decision and the day to end.

[GreyICE]

There's no townie motive to partial claiming like Tierce did. The only motive is 'make the wagon go away today.'

At L-4, to partial claim, then suggest you have a power role, then refuse to full claim is just ridiculous. It's another threat. "Wagon me and you'll be wagoning some role. That's important. Also, I breadcrumbed my role, it's very town."

Did Tierce notice that Jason breadcrumbed his role?

If breadcrumbing a role is supposed to be a town tell, why is her vote on Jason? If it is not a town tell, why would she do it?

Consider this strongly folks. Then vote Tierce.

[Tierce]

You're joking, right?

I didn't fullclaim at L-4--wow, what an absurd notion. I'm indicating that there are breadcrumbs for my role. Yes, I'm claiming PR. Preeeetty obvious that if I'm breacrumbing it's because there may be important stuff revealed

after I die

that people will need to detect. -_-

The more you know.

Go reread MLP, Grey.