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[Staeg]

Because Quilford's convinced me to such an extent that CO is a stronger scumread?

Other than that, matt's prolly town and currently thinking dany/scooby+CO+bit/dcl

[iDanyboy]

Dany vote staeg

I think Bitmap is more scummy.

[Amrun]

Seems townish to me so far; not a particularly strong read either way, though.

Why do you consider DCL town and Bitmap scum?

Because I find Bitmap scummy but I liked DCL's entrance to the game. Why shouldn't I? Are they the same person or something? This is a weird question.

I give my blessing to the CO wagon, but not the iDany one.

[Bitmap]

Hmm, actually I think I know what you are up to and that's actually sort of townish now that you explained it.

UNVOTE:

You jump ship as soon as you can because he is your scum buddy and you don't want to vote him.

Our goal is to find scum, not lynch noobtown.

That's not a defense.

If I was scum, why would I just jump off the bandwagon? I unvoted because something was up and I wanted to know more about IceGuy before accidently going for the mislynch. If we brought IceGuy to L-1, it might pressure him and have him drop off scum/town tells.

And the second quote is valid. None of us know for certain what IceGuy is trying to say but mislynching him due to that would be bad practice.

[Bitmap]

@Bitmap: I have to agree with Amrun that you're changing your opinion on Iceguy quite a bit. You're switching back and forth on him. I disagree with him when he claims it's suspicious, but it is rather confusing and doesn't really help us. Could you please state that you have no clue when you have no clue, rahter then mention an opinion that changes every few seconds?

I thought at first that IceGuy was blatantly role-fishing but when I re-read what he said he might be trying to find some sort of lover which might make him third-party or town. The reason why I didn't want to mention it because it would classify me as role-fishing and which is why I agreed with MattP that we should just forget about it for now.

[MattP]

[Bitmap]

@MattP:

[DCLXVI]

DCL, he has the right here; you're basing a lot of RVS stuff that could even be classified as town-tells (but shouldn't be) as a "direction we need to be heading".

Oh and

unvote
vote: DCLXVI

Let's have some fun with paraphrasing these two quotes.

DCL is basing his accusations on stuff that could be town-tells. But wait, they aren't towntells. but what the heck I'm going to vote DCL anyway.

[ChaosOmega]

The first three of his posts are stirring up shit about nameclaiming and setup spec

Well you made that sound inflammatory for seemingly no reason. I was questioning Staeg because I didn't like his assertion that role name and power are unrelated. My first thought when reading it was him setting up justification for a fake claim and a PR that don't mesh flavor-wise. And "stirring up shit about nameclaiming" is blatantly false, since I didn't mention nameclaiming at all.

then he chucks in some unexplained reads - scroll down - (which I admit I do too, but these ones are bad

because if he was

actually

engaged in his set-up discussion, you'd think he'd have some pretty strong reads on the other people doing it too. He doesn't.

You're saying I should have "pretty strong reads" on players from discussion within the first 5 pages? That's bullshit. I have gut feelings and inclinations, but nothing really solid. That's why I voted for Bitmap instead. I hate when players relish in the fact that they're not very good and other players give them quarter because of it, it's a slippery slope that allows a player to have a better chance of getting away with scummy behavior.

Lol, and then you quote this point again later on. Be careful there, you don't wanna pat yourself on the back too hard.

And then his latest post is a prod-dodge.

This implies that you find prod dodges to be scummy. I disagree, but I see the logic behind it. However, when you yourself make a prod dodge post and then try to push this as support for your case, it makes you look pretty silly.

I'm getting a slightly more pro-town read of Bitmap, but I don't really want to unvote him right now for reasons outlined above.

Good voting by Quilford, more people should follow his example.

Gold star for Quilford! Blatant buddying up to Quilford here. Most likely not scum together because of that, but I can definitely see Michel-scum buddying up to Quilford-town in that way.

[Vash]

I'm not finished yet but I'm going to give you a taste. Since I've been busy I want to play catch up so It's not like I'm just joining now. I'm going over the past stuff and posting my thoughts on everything naturally as they come. Names will be as they appeared on that page, post number, and How that post made me feel towards them wheter town null or scum.

Here are the first two pages, I plan on doing 2-3 more:

PAGE 1:
Bit-
Post 4, RVS, Null

Quil-
post 5, RVS, Null
Post 7, Fluff, Null

Staeg-
Post 6, RVS, Null
Post 8, Don't really understand this one, *Unreadable*
Post 11, Says there is no point to a mass claim, Null
post 13, tosses idea names are role related, null,
post 15,Denies Shamrocks idea, null
post 21. Refuses to believe role power is based on character, Null
Post 24, pressures ice guy to reveal something (after saying there is no point in a massclaim, and he
doesn't think role names are indicative of possible PR) ,SCUM

Iceguy-
Post 9, RVS, Null
Post 10, ask how others feel about a mass claim, (Read:*)
post 12, Hint at pr or deflection, null

Shamrock-
post 14, Notes rolenames may link abilities, Null

MattP-
post 16, calls IG town (Doesn't explain), Votes amrun, Null

Amrun-
Post 17, Votes Matt, says he sucks, says no to naimclaim, NUll
post 20, answers for staeg and agrees on fakeclaims, Scummy

DCL-
Post 18, votes iceguy, mentions fake claims, Null
Post 23, says it doesn't matter cause there are so many fake claims

Chaos-
post 19, votes amrun, calls out staeg on being dissmissive, Townish
Post 22, opposite thought from staeg, Null

DCL: Post 25- innocence by hitler

Page2:

DCL:
post 25 Calls bitmap town for saying he liked hitler and says scum wouldn't do that (I dissagree, I
have seen scum come in the round all the time and say "I am the godfather!" as their first post just to let
it get written off as pointless rvs stage. ), Scum, calls quill null, null, Directly calls out iceguy,
post 27, says Ice guy over reacted (I didn't think so), scum

Iceguy:
post 26, votes DCL, Stays calm, but phishes for info, Towns+Scum=null
Post 29, calls DCL scum, null
post 36, Reaction to Sable, Null
Post 38, fluff, Null
Post 41, Won't go into detail, claims it's role related, townish

MattP:
post 28, Calls Iceguy town motivated, Null
post 32: Calls staeg fake, (I don't entierly disagree)

Staeg:
Posts 30 & 31,Calls out and votes DCL says if Iceguy is lying hell eat rope (I don't know why, as agressive
and the kind of position it puts him in should read scum, but I read this more townish...)
Post 33, A horrible responce imo, Just seemed scummy as hell like he just kinda
came up with it to brush it off, scum
Post 45, Claims 80%+ Certain bit is scum, votes bit, Null
Pot 48, Explains to Bit, Null
Sableheart:
Post 35, votes chaos, Says to drop nameclaim talk, seems to be scum hunting, town
Post 39, Says Ice guy is town motivated, calls out chaos-Null

Bit:
Post 37, Says no to mass claim, Votes Ice guy for role phishing, null
Post 40, Reaction to Ice guy fluff, Null
Post 41, calls Iceguy town, Null
Post 44, raction to shamrock, Null
Post 47, Asks staeg for clarification-Null

Shamrock:
Post 43, Sums up what's going on without any particular emotion, Null/Scum

Quil:
Post 46, Votes Staeg and doesn't explain, Scum
Post 49, Just says DCL i bad

[Staeg]

My first thought when reading it was him setting up justification for a fake claim and a PR that don't mesh flavor-wise.

Why? Someone already said that we have ten gajillion people to claim, can't we find one that suits our role?

Vash, save your time typing and my time (not) reading the parts where you explain what the people did in said posts.

[Bitmap]

Vash, save your time typing and my time (not) reading the parts where you explain what the people did in said posts.

No, let him post more. I want to read the rest.

[Vash]

I figure it's better if I just display the context so someone actually scumhunting doesn't have to go back and forth Staeg :/

[Staeg]

I'd keep the tabs open to see if you're actually telling the truth if I cared that much, anyway.

Bit - what?

[IceGuy]

Yeah, but nobody wants to read all that. For instance, you could summarize everything you wrote about me as

IceGuy: Mostly null, but townish for his softclaim.

And if somebody wants to form his own read, he isn't going to rely on your summary anyway.

[Bitmap]

I'd keep the tabs open to see if you're actually telling the truth if I cared that much, anyway.

Bit - what?

I want to hear Vash's post by post analysis. I'm willing to read all of it.

[Staeg]

...alright
You'll tell us what you got from the additional info afterwards

[Bitmap]

...alright
You'll tell us what you got from the additional info afterwards

You know, there's a site called Sparknotes a lot of high schoolers use to give them a summary of what happened of the book, instead of re-reading the book to study for a test.

I'm using Vash's notes as a reference guide for present or future claims.

[Vash]

Page 3:
Quil-
Post 50, Calls Micheal and Mattp Town, Null
Post 52, Quotes from DCL, scum
Post 67, Slams DCL (ouch), Null
DCL-
Pot 51, asks quil to explain why he said DCL is bad, Null
Post 53, Asks for more explaination, Null
Post 55, Blows up, Null/scum
Posts 60 & 61, Defends Iceguy, Calls out staeg, Null/Scum
Post 63, Says Ice guy sounds like he's lying, null

Bit-
Post 54, Demands explaination from Staeg, Null
Post 59, Bumps question @ staeg, Null

Staeg-
Post 56, Acuses DCL of taking his words out of context, Null
Post 66, semantics, Scum

Scooby-
Post 58, Votes staeg, Says Iceguy is town, Null
Post 62, Questions DCL, Townish

Shamrock-
Posts 64 & 65, Fluff, defends iceguy, claims noob, scum

Sableheart-
Post 68, Brainstorming/scumhunting, Townish

MattP-
Post 69, put's pressure on Staeg and DCL, Townish
Post 71, Revision and More on Staeg, Null


iDanny-
Post 70, Votes bit, Null

*Last 3 posts, Bitmap comes at iDanny saying he is going after noobtown
when his focus should be scum, He calls bit out as mob, Mattp Divulges info on Bits game

Mattp Aka Shen, is obvtown, i've played with/mod a forum with (Or did rather since he
left the mod team ) I know his meta.

[IceGuy]

I'm using Vash's notes as a reference guide for present or future claims.

What do you mean by "present or future claims"?

Also, don't you see a problem with seeing the game through the lens of a player who might or might not be town?

[Bitmap]

I'm using Vash's notes as a reference guide for present or future claims.

What do you mean by "present or future claims"?

Also, don't you see a problem with seeing the game through

the lens of a player who might or might not be town

?

Nope. Actually if Vash ends up scum if we ever do get around to lynching him, it helps the town more since scum Vash would know a lot more than us.

[Staeg]

I'm slightly disturbed by the fact that the things he's saying are supposed to be objective facts and you guys appear to not have realized it

[IceGuy]

Nope. Actually if Vash ends up scum if we ever do get around to lynching him, it helps the town more since scum Vash would know a lot more than us.

Don't you think he could and would manipulate his summary if he's scum?

[Staeg]

Oh, right, I decided not to say it but IG's kinda right - he

could

manipulate it but it's too much risk - very little reward.

[Bitmap]

Nope. Actually if Vash ends up scum if we ever do get around to lynching him, it helps the town more since scum Vash would know a lot more than us.

Don't you think he could and would manipulate his summary if he's scum?

As I said, if he's scum, it's not hard to figure out which parts of his summary are true and which are false.