Judge, Jury, and Executioner - Over

[Thor665]

@Ser Panda - aw, crud, sorry, I asked someone else about their opinion again. I'll try to stop acting so scummy later. Just add it to the case on me though.

[IceGuy]

Vote Count

Sir Bastion (9): Thor665, Thor665, Teleporting Speed Hippos, vijay2vasandani, Nocmen, TheShadow, TheShadow, DCLXVI, Gooner

Arugula (8): Quilford, vijay2vasandani, vijay2vasandani, Thor665, Teleporting Speed Hippos, Teleporting Speed Hippos, DoomYoshi, Ser Panda
Thor665 (6): Ser Panda, Ser Panda, Knight of Cydonia, Knight of Cydonia, Quilford, Quilford
DCLXVI (5): WrathChild, WrathChild, StrangerCoug, TheShadow, DoomYoshi
TheShadow (5): Sir Bastion, DCLXVI, Axelrod, Gooner, Gooner
vijay2vasandani (5): Nero Cain, guille2015, Nocmen, Arugula, Arugula
Ser Panda (3): Axelrod, StrangerCoug, StrangerCoug
Teleporting Speed Hippos (2): Nero Cain, Axelrod
Nocmen (2): Sir Bastion, Knight of Cydonia
DoomYoshi (2): guille2015, DCLXVI
Scott Brosius (1): Sir Bastion
WrathChild (1): Nero Cain
Knight of Cydonia (1): guille2015
Nero Cain (1): Nocmen
guille2015 (1): DoomYoshi

12

votes are currently not on a player.

Every player has

3

votes.
With

21

alive, it's

11

to hammer.
There are

63

votes in play,

0

of which are frozen, leaving

63

votes active.

Deadline is August 11th, 3 a.m. CEST.

[StrangerCoug]

@Ser Panda - aw, crud, sorry, I asked someone else about their opinion again. I'll try to stop acting so scummy later. Just add it to the case on me though.

I think Ser Panda is scummy for thinking you should care only about what you think. Discuss.

[Thor665]

If I knew more about the heads I'd have a stronger opinion.

I don't have town read on him currently though, if that's what you're asking, but it's such a derp attack I'm not sure I buy that he doesn't believe it, regardless of his alignment.

What do you think of Quill backing it up? I find that more worrisome than the initial derp, because Quil should know better (and should also grok how likely it is to get a reaction out of me under derp pressure)

[Ser Panda]

You're missing the point SC.

The way thor came across was someone expecting Bastion to flip town.

Looks a hell of a lot like scum lining up for an "I TOLD YOU SO, THAT WHOLE WAGON WAS SCUM DRIVEN, GET THEM ALL"

This is exactly what he comes across as.

Also SC Whats your opinion on thors vote on sir bastion?

Do you think its a RVS vote?
if you think its a RVS vote why's he still double voting the guy and leaving him at L-2?

If you can clearly see it wasn't a RVS vote What do you think about this flip flop from SRS vote to RVS vote?

[Thor665]

@Ser Panda - what's your Bastion case again, I forgot?

Because that guy is totally flipping town and I'll lynch you for it later, trololololol.

Yeah, he has got me dead to rights, I have to agree.

[Ser Panda]

If I knew more about the heads I'd have a stronger opinion.

I don't have town read on him currently though, if that's what you're asking, but it's such a derp attack I'm not sure I buy that he doesn't believe it, regardless of his alignment.

What do you think of Quill backing it up? I find that more worrisome than the initial derp, because Quil should know better (and should also grok how likely it is to get a reaction out of me under derp pressure)

You can keep insulting me.

The facts are clear.

You keep telling me that its a RVS vote.

your votes are still on the guy.

The reason you gave for making the vote isn't a random reason.
you used not having an opinion on the judge claiming as a scumtell.

And then when DCL asked you for your scum reads on the major wagons because he thought you were ignoring them
you answered in a sarcastic tone which made it apparent enough that your votes on sir bastion was serious.

Then you backtracked.

[StrangerCoug]

Also SC Whats your opinion on thors vote on sir bastion?

Do you think its a RVS vote?
if you think its a RVS vote why's he still double voting the guy and leaving him at L-2?

If you can clearly see it wasn't a RVS vote What do you think about this flip flop from SRS vote to RVS vote?

I think the vote was serious. As for flip-flopping, it's typical of Thor665 to pull off shenanigans, which makes him one of those players I don't think I'll ever be too sure about, but I don't have a reason to question his towniness right now.

[Gooner]

@Gooner - Shadow is double voting Bastion. Discuss.

Bandwagoning/distancing. Trying to look like a townie by bussing your scumbuddy.

[DoomYoshi]

Thor: if your reason is RVS, and you still haven't taken the vote off, then panda's question means: "why is your vote still there"

UNVOTE: Guille
UNVOTE: Dcl
VOTE: Thor
VOTE: Thor

[Thor665]

@Ser - I've admitted my vote wasn't RVS by your definition - the rest of my opinions hold solid.

@DoomYoshi - Why should I take the vote off even if it is RVS (depending on whose definition you use). If I thought I should take them off then I wouldn't have cast them in the first place - explain how that's scummy?

[Sir Bastion]

I assume most votes are still on me because I Havnt posted since... I need to ask you wait a bit longer cause I'm at family (grandparents) and only have access via phone.

But quick notes

-DC did I do multiple cases of cheer leading in your opinion or just the one?

-Thor do you think ser panda is right to push you on what looks like a blatant contradiction or do you think he's scum taking an opportunity?

More later when I charge phone up

[Ser Panda]

It is a random stage vote - unless you can explain to me how not having an opinion on the judge thing equates to being a scumtell.
Is it?

I think you're assuming there is this "imaginary" stage where you are suppose to be able to throw random votes and then not be able to be called out upon them because "hey, they're all random". The only problem is, this imaginary stage doesn't exist. You are held accountable for everything you do. Always.

Because RVS isn't about being totally random unless you are really playing badly. Otherwise we'd all use a number generator.

So you ha a reason for voting Bastion? Great. What was it then?

I lean no. Thor's at least making some attempt to engage with people which Sir Bastion is not doing.

So are you planning on making every active person town? Nice strategy.

Why should Thor care only about what he thinks?
UNVOTE: DCLXVI
VOTE: Ser Panda
VOTE: Ser Panda

You're scum aren't you? It's okay to confess.

[Thor665]

-Thor do you think ser panda is right to push you on what looks like a blatant contradiction or do you think he's scum taking an opportunity?

I already addressed that.
What are your thoughts?

The only problem is, this imaginary stage doesn't exist. You are held accountable for everything you do. Always.

You're right, that does take away my defense of saying I couldn't be held accountable for my vote.

So you ha a reason for voting Bastion? Great. What was it then?

Wagoning him for the lulz. What of it?

What's your read on Quil, by the by?

[DCLXVI]

Do you have scumreads on any of the top five wagons? (those with 6+ votes)

Let's see - I moved a vote to Arugula.
I'm double voting Sir Bastion.

Nah, clearly I think both are obv. town and am just playing badly. What of it?

Seems pretty clear that Thor is saying he finds arugula and sir bastion scummy.

I asked him who his scumreads were in the top 5 and he replied that he was voting two of those players.

@Ser - You were about to double vote the guy - I'm doing it for RVS, I was curious why you were doing it.

Ok so wait, Thor doesn't have a scumread on sir bastion he is just doing it for RVS? Hm, I think that contradicts something that was said earlier.

Care to explain this Thor?

[DCLXVI]

-DC did I do multiple cases of cheer leading in your opinion or just the one?

Just one, but the rest of your iso is a bunch of one liners and fluff.

[Ser Panda]

So you ha a reason for voting Bastion? Great. What was it then?

Wagoning him for the lulz. What of it?

The fact the you kept your vote on him for "lulz" even though he is at L-2, and could very well be lynched.

Currently, your votes are 2 on Bastion and 1 on Arugula.

However, if your 2 votes on Bastion are RVS, and they are still placed on Bastion, though you yourself have found someone, apparently more suspicious (because any little suspicion is more than voting for "lulz", right?), then why the hell are the votes still placed on Bastion? If he were to be lynched (and assuming you are town), would you feel confident that your votes are in the right place, even though they are basically camped out votes from RVS, and you have not mentioned anything you really find scummy about him?

What's your read on Quil, by the by?

The guy has posted twice. Do I have a

read

on him? Flattering, but I'm not that good.

[Nero Cain]

Also, I think Judge should claim - discuss.

maybe

later but not yet

.

Explain. Why is it a bad idea for the Judge to claim

today

?

not exactly what I said.

When I get around to changing votes I have one slot reserved for ya. Congrats.

Ummm... I think it is and if it's not then I presume that it is only a minor deviation from what you meant.

And you didn't answer my question. Explain why "later but not yet".

Day 1 is gonna last for what 3 weeks? Quite frankly I think its silly that he should claim TODAY, NOW. I also find it rather strange that you don't want him to claim and yet

you

(apparently) find it scummy for me to suggest that he shouldn't claim.

Arg's reaction to vijays RVS in 53 seems rather off.

I'm for a judge claim, since it gives us a confirmed town. But don't claim unless you're close to hammer.

That fence sitting can't be comfortable, I think we should help ease your suffering.

I agree.

I like this Axelrod guy.

I'm for a judge claim, since it gives us a confirmed town. But don't claim unless you're close to hammer.

That fence sitting can't be comfortable, I think we should help ease your suffering.

VOTE: TheShadow

That is not fence-sitting; that is giving a condition on when to claim.

UNVOTE: Arugula
UNVOTE: Sir Bastion
VOTE: DCLXVI
VOTE: DCLXVI

Smell chainsawing here. Plus, Shadow has a mouth, why are you defending for him so early?

UNVOTE: TSH
VOTE: StrangerCoug

Well if Shadow flips scum then we know where to go next.

vote Arugula
For somehow being MCS.

What is this?

If I was scum, I would be raging hard right now about how it's unfair and ask him where the mod confirmed me scum. But I know it's not true.

This is bad

I hate fucking "IF I was scum" arguments.

Vote Arugula.

this.

unvote
vote:Argula
vote:Argula
vote:Doomyoshi

[DoomYoshi]

MCS = mod-confirmed scum. Twas a joke, but arugula has not handled the case well, except by trying to lead us down a WIFOM road.

[IceGuy]

Vote Count

Arugula (10): Quilford, vijay2vasandani, vijay2vasandani, Thor665, Teleporting Speed Hippos, Teleporting Speed Hippos, DoomYoshi, Ser Panda, Nero Cain, Nero Cain

Sir Bastion (9): Thor665, Thor665, Teleporting Speed Hippos, vijay2vasandani, Nocmen, TheShadow, TheShadow, DCLXVI, Gooner
Thor665 (8): Ser Panda, Ser Panda, Knight of Cydonia, Knight of Cydonia, Quilford, Quilford, DoomYoshi, DoomYoshi
TheShadow (5): Sir Bastion, DCLXVI, Axelrod, Gooner, Gooner
vijay2vasandani (4): Nero Cain, guille2015, Nocmen, Arugula, Arugula
DCLXVI (4): WrathChild, WrathChild, StrangerCoug, TheShadow
Ser Panda (3): Axelrod, StrangerCoug, StrangerCoug
Nocmen (2): Sir Bastion, Knight of Cydonia
DoomYoshi (2): guille2015, DCLXVI
Teleporting Speed Hippos (1): Axelrod
Scott Brosius (1): Sir Bastion
Knight of Cydonia (1): guille2015
Nero Cain (1): Nocmen
DoomYoshi (1): Nero Cain

12

votes are currently not on a player.

Every player has

3

votes.
With

21

alive, it's

11

to hammer.
There are

63

votes in play,

0

of which are frozen, leaving

63

votes active.

Deadline is August 11th, 3 a.m. CEST.

[Nero Cain]

MCS = mod-confirmed scum. Twas a joke, but arugula has not handled the case well, except by trying to lead us down a WIFOM road.

unvote;vote:gooner

[IceGuy]

unvote;vote:gooner

This vote will not be counted since it's ambiguous whom you're unvoting.

[Nero Cain]

goddammit

unvote:doom;vote:gooner

[IceGuy]

Vote Count

Arugula (10): Quilford, vijay2vasandani, vijay2vasandani, Thor665, Teleporting Speed Hippos, Teleporting Speed Hippos, DoomYoshi, Ser Panda, Nero Cain, Nero Cain

Sir Bastion (9): Thor665, Thor665, Teleporting Speed Hippos, vijay2vasandani, Nocmen, TheShadow, TheShadow, DCLXVI, Gooner
Thor665 (8): Ser Panda, Ser Panda, Knight of Cydonia, Knight of Cydonia, Quilford, Quilford, DoomYoshi, DoomYoshi
TheShadow (5): Sir Bastion, DCLXVI, Axelrod, Gooner, Gooner
vijay2vasandani (4): Nero Cain, guille2015, Nocmen, Arugula, Arugula
DCLXVI (4): WrathChild, WrathChild, StrangerCoug, TheShadow
Ser Panda (3): Axelrod, StrangerCoug, StrangerCoug
Nocmen (2): Sir Bastion, Knight of Cydonia
DoomYoshi (2): guille2015, DCLXVI
Teleporting Speed Hippos (1): Axelrod
Scott Brosius (1): Sir Bastion
Knight of Cydonia (1): guille2015
Nero Cain (1): Nocmen
Gooner (1): Nero Cain

12

votes are currently not on a player.

Every player has

3

votes.
With

21

alive, it's

11

to hammer.
There are

63

votes in play,

0

of which are frozen, leaving

63

votes active.

Deadline is August 11th, 3 a.m. CEST.

[DCLXVI]

forgot to point his out earlier.

1. Judge should automatically execute if he reveals. Otherwise it just becomes a continuous game of WIFOM. If he doesn't reveal, I think Judge should execute most of the time unless he has serious misgivings about a lynch. I trust the Judge at the moment to make good decisions.

Hm, this is such a brilliant idea...NOT.

All this does is make sure that the mafia will send a townperson to the judge. This just adds more wifom to The game. That isn't something we need at the moment...or ever...