Open 429: True Love (Game Over)

[Om of the Nom]

Keep posting Bitmap.

It only makes you look worse in my eyes.

[Bitmap]

Keep posting Bitmap.

It only makes you look worse in my eyes.

That "gut feeling" in http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?t=21359 sure gave you the win as town, eh? Try being more logical than acting like a heretic from the Renaissance.

Venmar townslip in post 39. Could be faked but I believe it. Leaning town.

No, it seemed genuine. I'm going to put him in my town pile as well.

[Om of the Nom]

The reason I voted incorrectly was because I voted off logic.
I stated in post game that my gut read was on the last scum.
Nice try at trying to misrep me though.

[The Acting Method]

Om right now, I just looked at your interchange with Tech, and wanted to headslap you.

What he was saying was, "We know players X and Y are lovers. You have a super scummy read on X, and a really protown read on Y, it's day one. Are you still going to vote X without a doubt knowing whose going to die with them?"

That's the problem with a massclaim at this point in time.

[Bitmap]

The reason I voted incorrectly was because I

voted off logic

.
I stated in post game that my gut read was on the last scum.
Nice try at trying to misrep me though.

And how are you voting this time around?

When I read this, I hear "Hey guys, I have a gut feeling this guy is scum. I'm not going to use logic at all."

Face it, you are using the same reasons you are voting for me now like your lynch vote in the previous game.

VOTE: Om of the Nom

You're trying to get the town to lose by forcing us to claim partners instead of doing the cookie-cutter method that worked in every other type of mafia game.
You then vote for me due to a "gut" feeling which is how you lost the last game.

Anyways, we need a new plan and Om's doesn't even sound remotely decent due to the low win rate it had for town.

[Om of the Nom]

Nice OMGUS. It was a little hard to recognize with all the fake reasons sprinkled over it.
Also it's nice to see you still misrepping me. I've already stopped pushing to get everyone to massclaim their partners. Why am I forcing it? Also I already explained I voted incorrectly last game due to using logic, not gut. Voting by my gut then would have won the game.

The best part is how you make it sound like my plan is the only plan there is. Sorry to say, but it's not.

[Venmar]

OmNom has one of the best guts that i have so far encountered, i wouldn't just throw it away.

Honestly, i got a small scum vibe from Bitmap when he felt he needed to repeat himself about using the full day. Don't see why as town it would be such a crucial thing to repeat other than to look townie.

[Om of the Nom]

Venmar is town btw. Super townie obvtown. Regardless of the townslip. He's thinking like me, and in this case that's a towntell.

[Om of the Nom]

TAM needs to actually do some scumhunting.
All he's talked about is the setup.

[Bitmap]

The best part is how you make it sound like my plan is the only plan there is. Sorry to say, but it's not.

OmNom has one of the best guts that i have so far encountered, i wouldn't just throw it away.

Honestly, i got a small scum vibe from Bitmap when he felt he needed to repeat himself about using the full day. Don't see why as town it would be such a crucial thing to repeat other than to look townie.

When you play games where a person is L-1 and you have everyone shouting "DON'T LYNCH YET" and you get that random person who just hammers anyways, then you'll understand. Also look at the statistics, town never won a single mafia game. Did you even bother to see why they lost? Because every game ended in less than 12 pages of people using their 'gut' feeling.

The best part is how you make it sound like my plan is the only plan there is. Sorry to say, but it's not.

Okay, so what's your alternative plan. I want to hear this.

[Om of the Nom]

You're underestimating my gut, I've caught numerous scum in LYLO with my gut alone, I have at least 5 games to back that up.

I never said I had my own alternative plan. Haven't you been reading the thread, it's clearly been mentioned.

[Venmar]

Bitmap, i have no interest in going into theory talk about if gut is better than logic or not, but i think the general consensus is that Gut > All.

Just because Town hasn't really won a game yet doesn't mean we can't win this time, don't be discouraging.

[Om of the Nom]

Just because Town hasn't really won a game yet doesn't mean we can't win this time, don't be discouraging.

I agree with this. All Bitmap has done so far is basically argue that we're going to lose because we're doing the same things that made town lose the game previously, yet he's done nothing to try and change that.

[Bitmap]

You're underestimating my gut, I've caught numerous scum in LYLO with my gut alone, I have at least 5 games to back that up.

I never said I had my own alternative plan. Haven't you been reading the thread, it's clearly been mentioned.

Then why don't you stop being lazy and think up of one? I say we go with the convention cookie-cutter method that has worked very well for town in every other game mode.

Okay, and has your gut ever won you this game mode?

[Om of the Nom]

I don't need to think of one when another has already been presented. I still have yet to see you reacknowledge the plan I'm talking about. It's nice to see you trying to generalize it too, since obviously you can't remember what it was.

My gut would have won me this game had I voted off it and only it. My use of logic interferred with my voting decisions and caused me to vote badly and therefore lose the game. It's nice to see you still trying to misrep me by saying I lost the game because of my gut, yet I've already stated multiple times I lost it due to logic.

[Bitmap]

Just because Town hasn't really won a game yet doesn't mean we can't win this time, don't be discouraging.

I agree with this.

All Bitmap has done so far is basically argue that we're going to lose because we're doing the same things that made town lose the game previously, yet he's done nothing to try and change that.

Wow, this is complete bullshit right here. I've already explained a method that has a good chance of winning. Haven't you been reading the thread, it's clearly been mentioned.

Listen, we have 2 weeks. Let's use it to it's full extent. Most of the previous games failed because they just random lynched and didn't provide much discussion.

I suggested we take the whole 2 weeks to plan this out instead of diving into a lynch blindly. We use the conventional method that mafiascum was brought upon.

[Venmar]

Bitmap, your arguing is giving me bad vibes. Why are you trying to make OmNom do something without showing much initiative yourself? This argument is getting you nowhere, and all you're doing is speculating on OmNoms abilities based off of old games.

PEdit: Re-explain your method. Using the full day isn't a method when you have no plan to use that time. Also, this is the third time you felt you needed to mention using the full day again.

[Om of the Nom]

That's not a plan at all, that's called a part of common sense that everyone always seems to fail.
Try again.

[Bitmap]

I don't need to think of one when another has already been presented.

I still have yet to see you reacknowledge the plan I'm talking about.

It's nice to see you trying to generalize it too, since obviously you can't remember what it was.

My gut would have won me this game had I voted off it and only it. My use of logic interferred with my voting decisions and caused me to vote badly and therefore lose the game. It's nice to see you still trying to misrep me by saying I lost the game because of my gut, yet I've already stated multiple times I lost it due to logic.

Maybe if you hadn't mislynched the second day and relied on logic, you would of won a lot earlier.

And for the bolded part:

Post the game theory behind

outing lovers

because I think it's bs.

[Om of the Nom]

Was that first sentence even needed? You're stating the obvious here.

Nope, not the right plan. Outing lovers was my plan, see if you can find the other~<3

[Bitmap]

Bitmap, your arguing is giving me bad vibes. Why are you trying to make OmNom do something

without showing much initiative yourself

? This argument is getting you nowhere, and all you're doing is speculating on OmNoms abilities based off of old games.

PEdit: Re-explain your method. Using the full day isn't a method when you have no plan to use that time. Also, this is the third time you felt you needed to mention using the full day again.

Method:
Treat everyone as an individual player and lynch based on player scuminess. Have them claim their partners on L-1.

And I have been showing more initiative than you think. And this argument is getting us somewhere, it's showing how flawed gut feeling are.

[Om of the Nom]

Hooray! You found it! *gives Bitmap a cookie*

I still have yet to see you prove why gut is flawed. THe best you can come up with is that town lost the last time this setup was run due to me not voting off my gut. Which, you know, proves gut is better.

[Bitmap]

Was that first sentence even needed? You're stating the obvious here.

Nope, not the right plan. Outing lovers was my plan, see if you can find the other~<3

It would be great to know what post you are referring to. And do you mean my method or the addendum of your method where instead, we claim partners at L-1?

[Venmar]

How flawed gut feeling are.

How flawed gut feeling are.

How flawed gut feeling are.

No.

[Om of the Nom]

Your method, obviously.
It seemed to me like you were more concerned with proving my method is bad, instead of why your method is better.

PEDIT: lol