Mini 1350: Spartacus Blood and Sand Mafia Day 2

[havingfitz]

PerV...if you were neighbors then you weren't masons. Does your role say both?

[PeregrineV]

I'm just going to knock out town reads.

Derpy and shotgun both feel town to me. Code_X wouldn't pull this "lynch the miller" shit as scum. Too risky.

mafia_noob is dumb. You don't policy lynch people for not posting. I've been simply working and I haven't cared about even stepping foot into this game. That doesn't make you scummy though, you aren't exactly being subtle about your pushes.

I cannot read Pine. Ever.

I can't remember who raised the points on Phil being really fluffy, but he is. Extremely.

Fitz strikes me as off too. He's not scumhunting; he's agreeing with wagons and throwing around random votes.

Unvote: All

Vote 1: Phil
Vote 2: havingfitz

This is all I have for you because I'm picking out the most important parts and trying to get into this game. Get over it. A policy lynch on a miller? PL on someone who posted 3 times? Christ, guys. I get town reads from you, but step your shit up.

For the record, inte is one of those people that looks scummy, all of the time, regardless of alignment. I'm going to be watching that wagon like a fucking hawk.

There are people that I'm forgetting. whisper, Peregrine, ActionDan, defender.

Someone compile the inte and defender cases for me, by the way. I don't get it.

@Messiah- Sure.

Reads for Matias, and why (translation/interpretation is mine):
Derpy- town (gut)
Shotgun-town (gut)
nopointactingup(code_x)-town (wouldn't push miller claim)
mafia_noob-null (dumb)
MattP(pine)-null (cant read ever)
whisper-null (forgot)
peregrine-null(forgot)
Dan-null(forgot)
Defender-null(forgot)
Phil-scum (fluffy)
fitz-scum (off, not scumhunting)
inte-scum (looks scummy always)

I didn't like his town/scum list, nor his reasons for it.

After he posted it, I didn't like Defenders or nopointactingup-Code_X responses to it.

His remaining posts are RVS, reasons for not posting, phil wagon good, defender wagon bad.

[PeregrineV]

PerV...if you were neighbors then you weren't masons. Does your role say both?

I was given the possibility he was traitor, making him a neighbor. In the QT, he expressed nothing of the sort, acting as if we were masons.

We were neighbors to me, since I was not 100% that he was town.
He indicated to me that he was, and I was.
He flipped town, and I'm town.

Thus, neighbor-masons.

[Messiah]

I have a number of problems with Dan's claim.

00.) Blatant rolefishing in #677.
01.) I don't see any reason for scum to target him. inte hardly makes more sense as a vig target than Dan does, and both of them should have been a lower priority than drmyshotgun and D3f3nd3r. Let's not forget about mafia-n00b, Pine and Matias either.
02.) Townies are generally not bulletproof. Indeed, this is an

incredibly

powerful role. If you couple that with his softclaim(and don't get me started on softclaims like that, it's so anti-town it isn't even funny) it becomes an incredibly hard pill to swallow.

[MattP]

Ok but he is living through today

[Messiah]

Action's claim sounds plausible to me and I can't see scum being given a BP ability that let's them know they have been targetted.

Scum/SK are

so much

more likely to actually be bulletproof than town. And why are you assuming he's telling the truth?

[Messiah]

Your #693 is absolutely dripping with WIFOM, Matt, though I have a feeling you're probably right anyway. I'll consider unvoting Dan after he responds to me.

[MattP]

his role is more comfortable than most based on the situation and there are good things that can happen if we keep him alive for a bit

[mafia-n00b]

ActionDan's claim sucks but he is staying alive.

If he is scum lying then he'll be caught as soon as we see there is only one kill a night

... unless the NK from last night was performed by a 1-shot killer.

[havingfitz]

Action's claim sounds plausible to me and I can't see scum being given a BP ability that let's them know they have been targetted.

Scum/SK are

so much

more likely to actually be bulletproof than town. And why are you assuming he's telling the truth?

I don't see the benefit to either mafia or sk in claiming a BP ability. Imo Action didn't get enough attention yesterday to be worried about if they were an anti-town role. Ie I lean towards believing him att.

@PerV.....so that is your interpretation of your role or is it actually called....neighbor mason? Or just neighbor?

[PeregrineV]

@PerV.....so that is your interpretation of your role or is it actually called....neighbor mason? Or just neighbor?

It's not called anything. I'm translating into mafia-game terms.

[mafia-n00b]

While we're outlining cases, how about a drmyshotgun case from mafia-n00b?

I'm having trouble seeing him as town-motivated. Way too many of his posts are dealing with defending himself or attempting to discredit his attackers. He's voting MattP (a semi-OMGUS given 546/553), and he's not voting d3f3nd3r (despite having wanted d3f lynched yesterday, what's changed?).

Add in the fact that he was a potential lynch target at the end of yesterday and he had low activity then and also now since the new day started (lurking to avoid drawing attention to himself again?) and it looks scummy.

The miller claim is not a problem *per se*, but it's also not enough for me to want him around given the rest of his behavior.

[Apple Jack]

i double checked under my Beck account and I was told I had to put in the comment about "you will not be told if you are targeted" for the BP townie that i had in my game so the fact he says he is told I don't believe his claim.

That's the same thing as people aren't told if they are RB'd or saved, or whatever.

I can see this being a possible role fishing like messiah said.

and I absolutely could see the benefit for scum or SK claiming, especially if people are starting to vote the player who just claimed. It's self preservation plain and simple, even if it does only give him an extra day, it's still a day where he doesn't get lynched and possibly someone who is town does.

@ Matt - sorry but BP townie is a lynchable claim. Once Dan answers my post to him, I will decide what i want to do.


p.edit - oh and Pere, you don't get to call yourself masons, you aren't confirmed town, being neighbors with Inte doesn't make you town by any means.

[PeregrineV]

p.edit - oh and Pere, you don't get to call yourself masons, you aren't confirmed town, being neighbors with Inte doesn't make you town by any means.

I swear to Jupiter's Cock that you need to go back and actually read and comprehend what I wrote. Once you do, then I'll be happy to continue the argument.

[Apple Jack]

@ fitz

I just went through EVERY completed mini theme game (not eaten by tigers) and the smallest game I see is 12, not 11 and even in the 12P games there were minimum of 3 scum so if you played in a 11P game (besides, 11 is such an odd number...), i don't see it anywhere so since you claim it happened, i demand a link.

as for your claim that you are currently in one right now, I will just say that your topic list doesn't support this to be true. but we can't talk about on-goings...




p.edit - I have read what you typed so i don't see what the issue is. You are saying that you were neighbors, but since both of you are supposedly town, it's like you are masons. but you aren't confirmed town so you could still be scum neighbor.

[whispersilk]

Catching up now - I just wanted to say that I assumed there was 2 scum in this game. I've only played in two other mini's - one was 7:2 the other was 11:2.

[havingfitz]

@Derpy...they were/are both mini normals...not themes. The point remains the same...regardless of whether the mini was a themed or normal. I have some past and ongoing exposure to 11 players games.

[havingfitz]

@PerV.....so that is your interpretation of your role or is it actually called....neighbor mason? Or just neighbor?

It's not called anything. I'm translating into mafia-game terms.

I have to give you credit PerV...that's a terrible claim. True or not.

[Apple Jack]

so I guess I am the only one who assumed 4?

werid...



Defender - enough with the excuses already. who are your top 2/3 scum reads and why. You ask others for your reads but you don't give your own.

whoever mentioned Code's replacement being weird, I agree with you 100% Code's replacement definitely makes no sense.

it's also annoying that it's been over 24 hours and his replacement hasn't posted anything yet....

p.edit - fair enough I'm not using that as a case against you, it's just something that I find weird. Sort of like the 5 day 4th of july thing so i will just drop it

[PeregrineV]

p.edit - I have read what you typed so i don't see what the issue is. You are saying that you were neighbors, but since both of you are supposedly town, it's like you are masons. but you aren't confirmed town so you could still be scum neighbor.

Very close. Now, who was I neighbor-masons (yes, my term) with?

[D3f3nd3r]

You were masoneighbors with Phillammon I believe.

[D3f3nd3r]

My opinions for D2 and some issues so far:

Re: The neighbor/mason thing:
Utter bull. I was on the Phil wagon, but in no ways am I responsible for his lynch. Yes, I was on his wagon (so were six others), but it's the same my fault as the other six.

Re: Inte dead:
This was a mafia kill. I'm 90% sure. I feel that Spartacus could dominate any of the lynch fights, and scum would want him dead to help scum survive. I admit I should have thought of this D1.

Re: Drmyshotgun Miller Claim:
I had no clue here if he really was Miller. I'm thinking three scum in this setup, so D4 would be LyLo. I want to have him out before then if he is a Miller (Miller + LyLo = Scum Win), and there's no guarantee he will die if we lynch him D3. We should start now.

Re: ActionDan's "Shot" Claim:
Hard to believe. Despite seeming town, I think scum would rather kill Inte with his lynch fight-immunity.

I'm reading scum on ActionDan, and I'm 50/50 on voting Shotgun.

VOTE 1: ActionDan

[MattP]

... unless the NK from last night was performed by a 1-shot killer.

Durr durr in which case they would out themselves to save AD

Inte wasn't a SK kill. Absofuckinglutely confidant about that.

Also the NK makes me inclined to believe AD now that I think about it. Inte was not a scumkill. His play was sloppy and exploitable. That means that Inte was prob a vig target, and I can see AD being the scum target because a lot of people had townreads on him. The placement of his claim doesn't make sense from a scum perspective because he didn't have much heat. It's just as retarded of a claim as PVs except it's more confirmable.

Action is not being lynched today.

pedit: God you are fucking retarded, vote PV, you don't trust his claim, right?

Unvote1

Unvote2

VOTE: 1: PeregrineV

[Apple Jack]

MattP - Action is as good a candidate to be lynched as anyone else, just cause he claimed BP townie doesn't change anything.

I am going to try and do a re-read, I really feel like I need to.

[MattP]

WHY DH GIVE ME A REASON

also woa surprise that as soon as pressure is off of him dr goes mia