Mini 1344: Murder on the HMS Regalia - Game Over

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Oh, and BK, I think I forgot to mention it in scumchat, but switching your claimed N2 target to Mala on the fly was very nicely done. Nice quick thinking.

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Trollie, I assume you mean D4 since we killed guille on N3 not N2. One of guille or Mala had to be NK'd on N3, though, and since Mala was our scumbuddy it made the choice easy. If BK was town, the hypothetical scum couldn't risk letting two confirmed towns run around. As BK was scum, it would make him look really bad if Mala and guille were both still alive since if he were town, scum couldn't risk letting two confirmed towns run around.

Flattered you thought I was going to be NK'd, though.

[BK201]

If it means anything, I was on my toes the whole time. Espe calling me out for the first 2/3 of the game and trollie investigating the wording of my claim and not buying it were the main things.

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Quarantine was an interesting mechanic, but I feel like it didn't really help town very much, and I don't feel like there was a better way to use it. It would have made a lot of difference had we lost a scum or two, though.

[BK201]

Oh, and BK, I think I forgot to mention it in scumchat, but switching your claimed N2 target to Mala on the fly was very nicely done. Nice quick thinking.

Thank you, I felt rather smart xD

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Oh, and for anyone wondering what the quarantine-kill mechanic us scum keep mentioning is:

Welcome aboard the HMS Regalia, image. You, along with thirteen others, have been sent on a deadly mission to assassinate an organized crime boss in Bermuda. What the others don’t know, however, is that you are one of three hostiles from the same syndicate. In Mafia terms, you are a Mafia Ninja.

1: Abilities:
1.1 - Active: Voting
1.2 - Passive: Ninja - You will bypass tracker, watcher, voyeur and follower investigations.
1.3 - Other: Quarantine - During the day, in addition to voting towards a lynch, you may also vote to quarantine a player for the night.
1.4 - Factional: Kill - Each night, you and your cohorts may kill someone.
1.5 - Factional: Invasion - Once at night, you may invade quarantine. This will allow you to perform actions (i.e. kill) on the quarantined player, but you can only do this once. Nobody outside of your faction will know about this.

2: Win Condition:
2.1 - You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated or when nothing can prevent this.

Here is your QuickTopic for night discussion: http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/AdBvF5whf4n

Confirm in thread.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=22308

I guess we technically could have roleblocked the person in quarantine if we wanted to.

[guille2015]

Who were the ones that it was better to jail town than scum. I'm pretty sure I was fighting that battle against town.

[BK201]

I'm still for a defender lynch! and no one has argued against my case for an espe quarantine

There's no point to quarantine me UNLESS you want to potentially save me from a NK.

If I'm town, I'm a VT.
If I'm scum, there would be others that can kill instead of me

unless there is a hidden mechanic

which would be bastard and this game isn't advertised as bastard unless I missed it.

This is why I thought Espe knew about the hidden break into quarantine once mechanic.

Quarantine seems like it could be used to be very protown. Especially since while in quarantine, the jailed scum cannot use the QT. Though I do not think scum should have the 1-time break into quarantine power.

[BK201]

Who were the ones that it was better to jail town than scum. I'm pretty sure I was fighting that battle against town.

I was for quarantining the 2nd scummiest. It wasn't a complete lie, I figured you don't want to risk roleblocking town and then not being able to protect them the next night if you need it.

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Sorry been crazy busy last few days...
I think its a little wierd that he's watched the kill target each night...either he has extreme luck or he's accidentally killing the target somehow, lol...

/m18 Haha lol, I died laughing when I read that. Like "whoops, I somehow always keep targetting the person that gets killed.... hmmm let me try again. ANOTHER death "

That could be hilarious in a bastard mod game. A town-aligned insane blind watcher who kills everyone he targets. Or maybe kills them unless they are scum.

@BK:

Espe was talking about a hidden mechanic where one jailed scum would stop

all

of the scum from killing, though, not the ability to kill someone in quarantine.

@guille:

I took an "I don't know how we should use this mechanic" stance on D1, since I really didn't know how town should use it, and I couldn't think of any good way of exploiting it. Just look at the quarantine-wagon on swords; most of those people were in favour of quarantining someone who seemed town, if I recall correctly.

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) Missing close paren from #773.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Good game, scums. Congrats

[guille2015]

Sorry been crazy busy last few days...
I think its a little wierd that he's watched the kill target each night...either he has extreme luck or he's accidentally killing the target somehow, lol...

/m18 Haha lol, I died laughing when I read that. Like "whoops, I somehow always keep targetting the person that gets killed.... hmmm let me try again. ANOTHER death "

That could be hilarious in a bastard mod game. A town-aligned insane blind watcher who kills everyone he targets. Or maybe kills them unless they are scum.

@BK:

Espe was talking about a hidden mechanic where one jailed scum would stop

all

of the scum from killing, though, not the ability to kill someone in quarantine.

@guille:

I took an "I don't know how we should use this mechanic" stance on D1, since I really didn't know how town should use it, and I couldn't think of any good way of exploiting it. Just look at the quarantine-wagon on swords; most of those people were in favour of quarantining someone who seemed town, if I recall correctly.

I once played a bastard game in which the Tracker coincidentally targeted the night 1 and night 2 kill. Night 1 was a town player, night 2 was the SK killed by mafia. The tracker was like, bang, I totally got you.

[Espeonage]

I will say that the quoted bit I did suspect scum might have some hidden stuff they might be able to do in quarantine or there migth be a cop that returned only innocent if the person had al;ready been in quarantine.

I KNEW WE SHOULD HAVE LYNCHED IMAGE. I swear there was a point where I wanted image and nabnab dead.

[drmyshotgun]

Bah. I killed the Town.

[Salamence20]

Bah. I killed the Town.

THIS

[sword_of_omens]

damn...i have to say that Scum played a great game...
for the most part our town was pretty lazy...
Although i will say that Trollie almost had a comeback for us at the end, but his luck played against him...
i should have pushed harder for that Mala lynch...
lol, not to mention the scumslip i swore i caught Psyche's replacement in...
aw well...
Perfect game guys, you deserve the win!

did you kill Ser Arthur N1 for his PR crumb?

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BK thought he had some PR crumb on SAD, but he also had him pegged as maybe a tracker, so we weren't entirely right. He also seemed fairly likely to be a threat if we left him alive, so he was a good kill.

Swords, how did you nail me in the dead QT?

[Malakittens]

I scum slipped in the post I voted Trollie . I'm kinda glad no one saw it and put major light to it.

[RichardGHP]

Some quick notes:

-I felt bad for TheTrollie, as his reads were fairly accurate and 2/3 of his targets were spot on, but unfortunately image's ninja power tainted the credibility of his claim.
-I forgot that BK201 and image were scum a few times, but Malakittens always read scum for me, lol. Good on her for surviving the rope, however - makes up for any previous anti-town play.
-I was disappointed that the BG and Vengeful died first. I would have liked one or both of those roles to come into play. Alas, just the way things went.
-I would have liked to see scum use their quarantine kill (the thing I spent the longest time trying to balance in the review process), but quarantine targets on the town part sadly rendered it unnecessary.
-As I said in the Dead QT, I was appalled at drmyshotgun's play on Day 3. I won't blacklist him, but I'd certainly be a little doubtful about playing with him again.

Lastly, let me say again how impressed I was at overall scum performance. A thoroughly deserved win, and in my opinion worthy of the nomination I put forth. The town also made a noble effort and I also approved of their persistence, even when they knew they were screwed.

P.S. If you have any comments on the setup, please send them my way. I'm always trying to design better games so any help is appreciated.

[VisMaior]

I disagree. The roles were heavily scum flavored until the ninja lived. Town PRs were acting against their win because of that. Id suggest a complementary powerrole instead of theninja out-ninjaing all powerroles.

[Espeonage]

Hooray!

Good game everyone!

Espeonage, I almost convinced myself you were a neutral survivor on the last day there; it did seem to explain your D1 play. Although I guess you were trying to do that to make us careless.

Figured I'd try everything. I really wanted to break the game.

[BK201]

-I wouldn't blacklist drm b/c I've played most of my games with him and this is the only time he was anti-town.


-The Wiki even says on the Watcher role that in the current meta, if you have this role as town there is probably a Ninja.


-Hard to tell if the PR distribution was good b/c all of the non-investigative roles were dead by Day 2. I think the watcher/tracker vs ninja aspect is good. If ninja were to be removed I'd make it tracker + 1-shot watcher and 1-shot ninja.


-I will say that I think Phill basically claiming Tracker to anyone who knew I targeted gulie day 1 was a huge mistake. I was able to then say I targeted Mala Day 2 since Phill had been quarantined. Town bk equaling town mala helped greatly in lylo.




Quarantine is actually town-sided, though I will repeat I don't think scum should have the hidden mechanic.(not with something new like this, maybe if/when it becomes established as a possibility to be aware of)

-should have been used to protect strongest town-reads, despite chance of them being a PR. It took me till now to figure that out.
-quarantined scum cannot use the QT.
-possible to outright catch the last scum with it.
-possible to quarantine the Ninja, thus exposing the mafia team to both Tracker and Watcher. Yikes.


Well thanks for the game, it was very stressful but interesting.

[BK201]

Also Espe claiming VT in his first post made PR hunting easier. Just pointing out some mistakes town made so you don't hate us scummers b/c we had a ninja :/

[BK201]

On the plus side Espe did grill me the hardest for the majority of the game, till Trollie did in the end.