Open 421-Pamplona II: Electric Bullgaloo! Game over

[BK201]

Scum
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=21855

Town
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=22080

and apparently he was in some newbie right before the town game where his play was similar to it.

[inte]

zzz this is hurting my butt

[Near]

Once inte claims a tier I will break it all down and kick it all off again.

I think there are few enough who claimed power roles (5 I think?) that there should be a time for all of us to be on this site at the same time. I am literally available any time. It should only take like 5 minutes, and there shouldn't be any excuse. If we can synchronize our clocks, we should be able to literally send in the claims within 1 sec of each other's claim. I think this could make it impossible for scums to adjust their power roles based on previous claims.

[Rainbowdash]

@inte/UN - If you guys are town you really need to claim for real at this point. Even if you entirely disagree with a massclaim, if you are not VT and you fakeclaim VT you are doing a massive amount of damage to town if you are town. If you lie as town in a ++ massclaim, you are misleading the town as to where the PRs actually are and are going to make town look in the wrong spots and greatly risk accidently confirming scum as town, town as scum, or missing town that would otherwise be cleared by a claim.

We have started it so deviating from it will only result in the most possible damage being done. If you are town you need to legitimately claim, I already have proven to you that at the start of D2 whether im alive or not I can confirm to you EXACTLY how many scum claimed VT and how many claim PR in factors of two. Once you get a couple scum flips you would know exactly to the number how many are in each group.

Its a death blow to scum to make this type of move if we get even a little bit lucky. If town fakelaims though, we asically outted all our PRs and gained nothing from it.

[Bitmap]

Once inte claims a tier I will break it all down and kick it all off again.

I think there are few enough who claimed power roles (5 I think?) that there should be a time for all of us to be on this site at the same time. I am literally available any time. It should only take like 5 minutes, and there shouldn't be any excuse. If we can synchronize our clocks, we should be able to literally send in the claims within 1 sec of each other's claim. I think this could make it impossible for scums to adjust their power roles based on previous claims.

Well I'm going first I believe so I need to be on. I'm busy tomorrow from 9AM to 7PM EST(GMT-5). Otherwise, I'll be on.

[DLG]

@ UberNinja
What do you think about Near? I'll re-read BK201, because I remember thinking the inte/BK201 dust-up showed inte as pretty likely Town.

@ inte
Did you ever give a read on Near?

I feel like either I'm way off base on Near, and it's so obvious scum don't even want to jump aboard, or I'm right and just not making the point very well.

If we go forth with the mass-claim, I'll be around tomorrow evening (EST), but don't think that really matters. Only the claimed non-VT's need to be involved, right?

And, well, I just can't resolve Near's attempts to make this difficult for scum to play to their advantage as a scum move. So, that pretty much leaves me lost.

[UberNinja]

Ok Uber has passed the point of being wrong and has entered scum-tard. I have two completed games with this guy and this fits his scum game exactly. Just ISO him for yourself and see what I'm talking about. You don't even have to know the game, just know his tone/style as scum vs town.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Uber

rofl

please note: last game i nailed him and his partners as scum and he herpvoted me too, even though everyone knows i'll never be lynched

Additionally I would like you to look at BK's posts again and see if you can't change your mind and vote for him. It's really the best thing for all of us.

Also, if there's a protective/JK role I would LOVE to be protected tonight. Like, LOVE LOVE LOVE. And I'd give you brownie points postgame for helping us win.

if he flips scum, sure

i'm cool w/this. if bk's town they can and should jail/protect whoever the hell they want

for the record, me asking for protection isn't enough to get the scum to try not to kill me. whoever you are, doc/jk, you need to actually protect/jail me, because they will actually try to kill me

@Uber: If BK flips scum, what alignment do you think RBD is?

I was leaning very scum early on but that's actually been mitigated a lot by my recent exchanges with him and also by something I read of Hyperion's.

@inte/UN - If you guys are town you really need to claim for real at this point. Even if you entirely disagree with a massclaim, if you are not VT and you fakeclaim VT you are doing a massive amount of damage to town if you are town. If you lie as town in a ++ massclaim, you are misleading the town as to where the PRs actually are and are going to make town look in the wrong spots and greatly risk accidently confirming scum as town, town as scum, or missing town that would otherwise be cleared by a claim.

We have started it so deviating from it will only result in the most possible damage being done. If you are town you need to legitimately claim, I already have proven to you that at the start of D2 whether im alive or not I can confirm to you EXACTLY how many scum claimed VT and how many claim PR in factors of two. Once you get a couple scum flips you would know exactly to the number how many are in each group.

Its a death blow to scum to make this type of move if we get even a little bit lucky. If town fakelaims though, we asically outted all our PRs and gained nothing from it.

I claimed already. That's all you get for now.

[UberNinja]

@ UberNinja
What do you think about Near? I'll re-read BK201, because I remember thinking the inte/BK201 dust-up showed inte as pretty likely Town.

@ inte
Did you ever give a read on Near?

I feel like either I'm way off base on Near, and it's so obvious scum don't even want to jump aboard, or I'm right and just not making the point very well.

If we go forth with the mass-claim, I'll be around tomorrow evening (EST), but don't think that really matters. Only the claimed non-VT's need to be involved, right?

And, well, I just can't resolve Near's attempts to make this difficult for scum to play to their advantage as a scum move. So, that pretty much leaves me lost.

My notes on Near are very thin at the moment, with a slight town lean.

You'll have to wait until I get farther along in the game for anything more concrete

[DoubleJD]

No dlg, near's only acting like that. Doing what hes doing is seemingly helpful, but ultimately isnt. For instance: Timing the claim is no different than not timing. Shifting from absolutely hating the massclaim to being super 'helpful' about it isnt exactly comforting either.

[Rainbowdash]

@Uber - Just letting you know, if you ever claim anything but VT then, outside if it being a situation where you are confirmed town through the setup you are getting lynched. Thats the way this works, if its not a situation where you are confirmed town somehow this is a perfect "lynch all liars" setup since lying as town does critical damage since it greatly misleads correct play.

Same goes for inte who was trying to enact a "lynch all liars" thing earlier and is now not claiming.

Nears thing probably doesnt work. Once inte claims (if its not T2) Bit just fullclaims and we popcorn through the T1s.

[inte]

vanilla

[inte]

hey, joking and lying aren't the same thing

[UberNinja]

@Uber - Just letting you know, if you ever claim anything but VT then, outside if it being a situation where you are confirmed town through the setup you are getting lynched.

hmmm.... i thought i'd made it pretty clear i'm not worried that i'll get lynched this game

change of claim or no

you saying this though, in this way, means you're more likely town. so thanks.

[Bitmap]

Can I get the list of people who claimed T1? I need to know who I can popcorn to.

[Rainbowdash]

Even though the idea from Near is a good one, I think its not practical because having five be on at the exact same time its a bit of a stretch to also have them all post without being able to see eachothers claims first.

I think Bit claims and we popcorn through the T1s since its going to be unlikely to overlap either way.

T1 claims were: Bitmap, Near, DMS, JF and MS

[DoubleJD]

Near's idea is a useless one, because it wouldnt change anything.

Also i claimed T1.

[Bitmap]

That's my claim.

Popcorn to Near

[UberNinja]

HERR DOKTOR

[Bitmap]

I AM ZE ÜBERMENSCH!

[drmyshotgun]

I AM ZE ÜBERMENSCH!

You should stop posting utter rubbish.

[UberNinja]

You

should stop posting utter rubbish.

[drmyshotgun]

Thanks Uber.

[Bitmap]

I AM ZE ÜBERMENSCH!

You should stop posting utter rubbish.

[UberNinja]

lol. ownage

[BK201]

Uber if you're so good why can't you see how obvtown Near is?