Open 421-Pamplona II: Electric Bullgaloo! Game over

[UberNinja]

Im gonna continue that line of reasoning, so people see why alarm bells just went off in my head.

If only 4 pr claims are true, than there's three scum among {Bit, near, dms, jf, djd, inte, ms}. I just dont see that.

That means at least 1 of the VT claims is a lie.

Take the two together, and you get 1/6 > 1/7, and more reason to keep potential pr's alive than potential vt's.

DLG, why arent you scum?

Of course one of the VT claims is a lie. BK's scum, duh.

You don't know that DLG isn't scum.

[DoubleJD]

You missed the point. Im calling him scummy for that reasoning

[UberNinja]

Given the choice, scum would want us to mislynch a power role instead of a vt. Given little time/thought, scum would claim vt instead of a powerrole that could get them trapped (a worstcase scenario if we only had a few roles).

fucking THIS^

This is

exactly

why inte should not be lynched and BK should. Stop fucking listening to RainbowDerp and listen to someone with a proven track record of gut scum reads and secret town wizardry to the extent that scum fears me fucking shadow.

Everyone who has played with me before knows I'm not an idiot when it comes to finding scum. If you want proof read Open 398 or Open 408.

Fucking 5/5 scum lynches, all led by me.

This includes players like drmyshotgun and BK. Drmyshotgun was in both games, once as town and once as scum. RachMarie was in at least one of the games if not both. Why the hell they aren't sheeping me to high heaven, I can only imagine. One of them is probably scum with BK, come to think of it. HEHEHEHAHAHAHAHAHA

Also take a look at Newbie 1249, where I

called both scum on page fucking FIVE

(which RachMarie was also there to witness). Nobody listened, and I was killed on Night 1. The next two days, both scum are lynched due to awesome fucking play by my buddy MattP.

Not too toot my own horn or anything.





So where does that leave us, Rainbowdash?

[Nobody Special]

and what is going to happen if BK is town is we mislynch him, inte has us lynch a town doc or something, then we lynch inte who is going to start with "oh bus driver" tactics to maybe be able to save himself because at that point its going to be getting near lylo.

If inte is scum and BK is town I will paypal you money when the game is over. Lots of it.

Read the Site Rules and do not do this again. (Yes, this is a warning.)

[UberNinja]

oops

[Bitmap]

I got a gut feeling that either Uber or RBD is scum.

[UberNinja]

good gut feeling, unfortunately it's probably wrong

this town is just incompetent

[inte]

good gut feeling, unfortunately it's probably wrong

this town is just incompetent

i thought rainbowdash was a scum read

[UberNinja]

@Uber: If BK flips scum, what alignment do you think RBD is?

I was leaning very scum early on but that's actually been mitigated a lot by my recent exchanges with him and also by something I read of Hyperion's.

[inte]

DLG u scum bro?

[Rainbowdash]

@UN - And im an expert at stopping bad lynches and breaking setups!

This BK one is giving all types of bad vibes and the late tracker claim is scum one all the way. I mean look at him now, he is trying to line up a lynch on me by trying to be sure you are still thinking im scum no matter what BK flips. Not to mention that but he is running right to you to defend him instead of responding to me himself.

@DGL - Here is my biggest fear about inte-scum. Tomorrow we get a claim of some town PR is scum, and he basically gets a free mislynch. He basically gets a free pass to get any mislynch he wants as scum. When his play doesnt at all match up with a PR let alone a tracker, I think he is scum.

I want everypony's read on inte in their next post. He needs a wagon bad.

[inte]

did you even look at my link

[UberNinja]

Almost certainly town on inte.

Why does the BK wagon give you bad vibes? Because somebody other than you started it? Pshhhh

Also:

You forgot to go back like I asked and tell me one pro-town thing BK201 has done. You can come out of the corner when you do.

[RachMarie]

I have a question Uber I know you have a very good record on finding scum, but why are you so SURE that Inte is town? His posting has been chaotic at best and well rather annoying at times. The constant changes on his claim bother me.

[Rainbowdash]

Why does the BK wagon give you bad vibes? Because somebody other than you started it? Pshhhh

I can get behind wagons I dont start. This one feels wrong though since its noise driven. When wagons are noise driven they tend to be more likely mislynches unless its somepony who I trust a whole lot with being able to read correctly, which I dont in this case. Timing too of in the MIDDLE of massclaim also is a bit of a flag. Feel like it was an attempt to put brakes on it.

Plus BK is town if inte is scum, and inte is probably scum so im not touching the BK wagon.

[inte]

I have a question Uber I know you have a very good record on finding scum, but why are you so SURE that Inte is town? His posting has been chaotic at best and well rather annoying at times. The constant changes on his claim bother me.

??? before it was joke -> i thought i was VT -> i know im tracker

hows that hard? are you even trying?

[inte]

Why does the BK wagon give you bad vibes? Because somebody other than you started it? Pshhhh

I can get behind wagons I dont start. This one feels wrong though since its noise driven. When wagons are noise driven they tend to be more likely mislynches unless its somepony who I trust a whole lot with being able to read correctly, which I dont in this case. Timing too of in the MIDDLE of massclaim also is a bit of a flag. Feel like it was an attempt to put brakes on it.

Plus BK is town if inte is scum, and inte is probably scum so im not touching the BK wagon.

what about the reverse? are you going to lynch bk when i flip town?

[inte]

@Rach,

you still haven't answered why your vote is still on me

[inte]

RBD, i demand you comment on the link I posted to my iso in Paranoia mafia

ignoring it is completely scummy

[DLG]

You missed the point. Im calling him scummy for that reasoning

Why? Because you extended a line of reasoning I started?

When I left the thread last night, I was pretty comfortable with Town!inte based on the BK201 interactions. When I came back today, I read through multiple pages of claims and associated analyses from them. The biggest red flag came from inte's change of claim.

So, because I originally thought inte was Town, I asked myself what it would mean for all 7 claims to actually be true. I came to a conclusion that didn't make sense to me. I weighed the two options and decided to throw whatever weight I carry into resolving the question of inte's claim.

You came in and made your argument from the other angle, which I might or might not have ever considered, but hadn't thought about at that point.

I don't really know what else to do besides post my thougths and try to find and lynch scum.

Did you read my posts about BK?

Yes. I can see where you're coming from, but answer me this question.

What was the impact of BK201's L-1 vote on Bitmap?

DLG u scum bro?

Nope. Are you, or am I just all fucking wrong like with Near? I'll read over that link of yours, but I don't know that doing it once means I believe you'd do it again. At best it would make it null.

What was up with you voting JohnnyFarrar? I can't get to why, as Town, you'd do that. And, are you just leaving your vote parked there because he's not going to get lynched?

@DGL - Here is my biggest fear about inte-scum. Tomorrow we get a claim of some town PR is scum, and he basically gets a free mislynch. He basically gets a free pass to get any mislynch he wants as scum. When his play doesnt at all match up with a PR let alone a tracker, I think he is scum.

Yeah, I get that. It would explain what scum motivation there is behind being so ostentatious with the changed claim.

[inte]

DLG u scum bro?

Nope. Are you, or am I just all fucking wrong like with Near? I'll read over that link of yours, but I don't know that doing it once means I believe you'd do it again. At best it would make it null.

What was up with you voting JohnnyFarrar? I can't get to why, as Town, you'd do that. And, are you just leaving your vote parked there because he's not going to get lynched?

??? ok w/e i get that it can be null because the situation is slightly different. i was lurking far more in that game

my vote was because of something that he posted earlier that i don't remember. his jk claim makes me feel safe about him now though

the massclaim was just starting after i voted and i didn't see the urgency in unvoting or whatever

[RachMarie]

I have a gut read since I have not had a chance thanks to a lot of shit in RL happening to focus on a lot of ISO research which I use to provide a case for my vote. There is something about you that sets off my scumdar Inte and I need to peg what that is.

Now that things are settling down in RL I should be able to do more ISO research and my brain should be functioning better.

[inte]

do you always vote someone on gut, then provide explanation to your vote later?

[DLG]

the massclaim was just starting after i voted and i didn't see the urgency in unvoting or whatever

My problem is that your vote, now, isn't tracking with your convictions in the same way it seemed to earlier.

No sense looking for mud on JohnnyFarrar since we agree about him being likely Town as the only JK claim.

[drmyshotgun]

alright this claim is a clusterfuck

out of the PR claims here:

inte - tracker
DJD - hider
MS - role cop
JF - jail keeper
BitMap - doc
Near - doc
DMS - doc

I have a 99% town on JDJD, a 99% town on bitmap, a null read on McStab, a "sure, he can be town for now" on Near, and out of the doc claims I'd pick DMS as scum.

I do not have good feelings about JF being "cleared" based on Rainbowdash's ultimate awesome derpclaim hullabaloo, especially when he's been acting like a scummy motherfucker.

On the bright side, there should be plenty of doc protection to go around tonight.

You are a dumbfuck now. You seriously can't keep yourself.