History Mafia Mini Theme - 1358 Game Over!

[DCLXVI]

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[DCLXVI]

screw new pages

I don't think I need to make a case on you. You're doing it better than I ever could.

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[IceGuy]

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[DCLXVI]

'All societies are historical' - Raymond Queneau

Vash (5): MattP, Bitmap, Staeg, Shamrock, ChaosOmega
Shamrock (2): Amrun, Deasvail
ChaosOmega (3): MichelSableheart, Quilford, IceGuy
MichelSableheart (1): scooby
Amrun (1): DCLXVI

Not voting (1): Vash

@ICE, if this is true:

I don't think I need to make a case on you. You're doing it better than I ever could.

Then why is no one voting me? I'm confused.

[MichelSableheart]

So DCLXVI, since you still are suspicious of Iceguy for it, when will you finally be explaining why the mass nameclaim was more likely to come from scum in your opinion? To me, it seems that your entire "case" against Iceguy comes down to behaviour that is in no way indicative of scum (bandwagoning in RVS, which is a slight towntell, and asking for a mass nameclaim, which hints at role info and is therefore a slight towntell as well).

Do you have any experience with scum rolefishing?

I know that I am terrible at finding powerroles as scum myself. I also don't have experience with scum rolefishing in the sense that I could not point to a particular post in a finished game and quote a scum quicktopic to prove that the player in question was clearly rolefishing. Still, there are various way in which you can enter a discussion regarding powerroles, and encouraging other players to give info away is not a pro-town one.

@the players voting Vash: the pressure votes don't really seem to have much effect on his activity. Do you believe he's active lurking (intentionally posting just enough to avoid being prodded without adding anything)? It feels to me that it's more likely he's simply inactive, because otherwise he would probably have responded to the votes by now.

I believe ChaosOmega a far better lynch. He makes hardly any attempt to get alignement related info out of other players, he doesn't give any opinions unless specifically asked for them, his votes go to inexperienced or inactive players without any indication whatsoever why he believes them scum, and his responses at the beginning of the game seem designed more to get information about the relation between name and power in players roles rather then actually discussing the merits of a mass nameclaim or trying to find scum based on the reactions to that proposition.

I could live with Staeg (#160 really doesn't feel natural town response to me) or 666 (his attack on Iceguy feels completely wrong) pressure as well, but there doesn't seem to be any interest for that, for some reason.

[MattP]

Vash has been prod-dodging for five days now. Can he please be replaced if he doesn't post content by tonight Nexus?

[DCLXVI]

So DCLXVI, since you still are suspicious of Iceguy for it, when will you finally be explaining why the mass nameclaim was more likely to come from scum in your opinion?

If you actually read my iso you would have found the answer in my first few posts.

You even answered the question in your own post.

Still, there are various way in which you can enter a discussion regarding powerroles, and e

ncouraging other players to give info away is not a pro-town one.

but in case you somehow missed it in my iso, here is what I said a lot earlier:

Um...It's history mafia. That means scum have 4000+ years of fakeclaim's they can use. This has pretty much 0 potential to catch scum and a decent chance of hurting town by outing a claim that would likely be a pr.

But this really doesn't matter since the scum have an unlimited source of potential fake-claims which makes any claiming scenario at this point a bad idea.

[Staeg]

Jesus fuck, DCL, are you dense? IG isn't going to use the nameclaims as "Aha! You guys claimed hitler and stalin!" He has CLAIMED that he has role-based reasons to do so.

[Shamrock]

I don't think I need to make a case on you. You're doing it better than I ever could.

This really could not be any less helpful

[DCLXVI]

you're the one that is completely fucking dense staeg, did you not just read my last post? Let me highlight some stuff I just said.

"Um...It's history mafia. That means scum have 4000+ years of fakeclaim's they can use. This has pretty much 0 potential to catch scum and a decent chance of hurting town by outing a claim that would likely be a pr."

"But this really doesn't matter since the scum have an unlimited source of potential fake-claims which makes any claiming scenario at this point a bad idea."

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My whole point was that a name-claim might out town power roles which would definitely help scum.

AND, since it will be easy to fakeclaim a mass nameclaim will have no chance of catching scum.

so in other words, what ICE suggested for us to do had

0

chance of catching scum,

and the

possibility of outing town power roles

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[MattP]

I don't think I need to make a case on you. You're doing it better than I ever could.

Oh God this post is bad on so many levels.

[IceGuy]

Jesus fuck, DCL, are you dense? IG isn't going to use the nameclaims as "Aha! You guys claimed hitler and stalin!" He has CLAIMED that he has role-based reasons to do so.

This. If DCLXVI doesn't understand this he's either incredibly stupid (which he isn't) or scum (which he is).

[MattP]

Ok the reason I was dissuading talk about IceGuy D1 is because he was softclaiming cop but his lack of flavor knowledge about his role is suspect and he is coasting on everyone's early townreads on him. Soooo yeah not buying it.

[IceGuy]

softclaiming cop

No.

[MattP]

Ok then I don't want to talk about it anymore.

[MattP]

VOTE: IceGuy

Actually, your info at the beginning of the game barred us from any speculation and we had to accept what you threw at us, but your play has been scummy and your role seems incredibly unorthodox. I want a fullclaim.

[IceGuy]

And you aren't going to get one. Go rolefish somewhere else.

[MattP]

Does your role involve anything that you wouldn't know what it means?

[IceGuy]

What?

[MattP]

How is that hard to understand? Do you KNOW you are looking for a specific thing in the nameclaim or do you NOT KNOW what you are looking for?

[IceGuy]

How is that hard to understand?

Your question before doesn't have anything to do with your question now.

Do you KNOW you are looking for a specific thing in the nameclaim or do you NOT KNOW what you are looking for?

Why do you want to know this?

[MattP]

That's my business. Now stop stalling.

[IceGuy]

That's my business.

So, how's rolefishing going those days?

Now stop stalling.

I'm not stalling. I've said from the beginning that I won't tell you.

[MattP]

You are literally an idiot.

[MattP]

IceGuy, you are literally retarded to think I'm bad enough to rolefish unless I had a good reason.