Mini 1349: Words with Scum (Game over!)

PeregrineV · Post Post #1125 (ISO) » Wed Jul 25, 2012 5:49 pm

↑ Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Also Robo is 100% town.

So you've said more than once. Can you share the post that makes the town-Robo Kool-Aid so we can all drink it?

PeregrineV · Post Post #1126 (ISO) » Wed Jul 25, 2012 5:49 pm

↑ PeregrineV wrote:
↑ Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Also Robo is 100% town.

So you've said more than once. Can you share the post that makes the town-Robo Kool-Aid so we can all drink it?

And it would be super great if there were lots of posts that lead to reasons....

vijay2vasandani · Post Post #1127 (ISO) » Wed Jul 25, 2012 6:09 pm

Stupid letter choice was stupid. This letter thing is much harder than it seems.

LLD could be scum.

What's the case on me again?

AurorusVox · Post Post #1128 (ISO) » Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:33 pm

LLD, MoI was scum but then he TvT'd with ICEguy.
Lynch Vijay with me.
Do it.

AurorusVox · Post Post #1129 (ISO) » Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:33 pm

Flip: A2

Quilford · Post Post #1130 (ISO) » Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:42 pm

Game Board

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AurorusVox's flips in Posts #1112 and #1129 are both invalid as no tiles remain at those coordinates.

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Spoiler: Voidedmafia's flip

Spoiler: MagnaofIllusion's flip

Spoiler: PeregrineV's flip

Spoiler: Amrun's flip

Spoiler: Final Board & Activity Log

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Voidedmafia flipped tile D6, revealing a B.
MagnaofIllusion flipped tile E6, revealing a W.
PeregrineV flipped tile H3, revealing an M.
Amrun flipped tile D1, revealing a J.

MagnaofIllusion has used his daily flip.
AurorusVox has not used either his daily flip or collect.
Lady Lambdadelta has not used either her daily flip or collect.
PeregrineV has used his daily flip.
Robocopter87 has not used either his daily flip or collect.
whispersilk has not used either her daily flip or collect.
vijay2vasandani has not used either his daily flip or collect.
Amrun has used her daily flip.
Voidedmafia has used his daily flip.

--- DAY 2 ------------------------------------------------
Voidedmafia flipped tile A4, revealing a D.
AurorusVox flipped tile G6, revealing a W.
IceGuy flipped tile H6, revealing an O.
DLCXVI flipped tile B6, revealing an M.
MagnaofIllusion flipped tile B5, revealing an N.
vijay2vasandani flipped tile I4, revealing a G.
2minds1soul took tile I1, collecting an unknown...
Robocopter87 flipped tile F4, revealing an I. 
Lady Lambdadelta flipped tile D3, revealing an R.
Lady Lambdadelta took tile D3, collecting an R.
Robocopter87 took tile I5, collecting an unknown...
IceGuy took tile F4, collecting an I.
MagnaofIllusion took tile E1, collecting an unknown...
Voidedmafia took tile A4, collecting a D.
AurorusVox took tile I4, collecting a G.
whispersilk flipped tile B3, revealing an H.
DCLXVI took tile B6, collecting an M.
Amrun flipped tile F3, revealing an S.
vijay2vasandani took tile H6, collecting an O.
whispersilk took tile B4, collecting an unknown...
Amrun took tile B3, collecting an H.

--- DAY 1 ------------------------------------------------
MagnaofIllusion flipped tile E5, revealing an R.
Hoopla flipped tile K1, revealing a C.
Voidedmafia flipped tile K6, revealing an X.
Lady Lambdadelta flipped tile D4, revealing an N.
Lady Lambdadelta took tile D4, collecting an N.
Robocopter87 flipped tile J2, revealing a P.
Robocopter87 took tile J2, collecting a P.
IceGuy flipped tile A1, revealing a P.
vijay2vasandani flipped tile C4, revealing an R.
2minds1soul flipped tile H4, revealing a C.
AurorusVox flipped tile A6, revealing a T.
Amrun took tile A2, collecting an unknown...
DLCXVI flipped tile F6, revealing a D.
Amrun flipped tile B2, revealing a V.
Arugula flipped tile D2, revealing an M.
Hoopla took tile E5, collecting an R.
whispersilk flipped tile G2, revealing a Z.
AurorusVox took tile A1, collecting a P.
MagnaofIllusion took tile B2, collecting a V.
Voidedmafia took tile C4, collecting an R.
vijay2vasandani took tile K1, collecting a C.
whispersilk took tile D2, collecting an M.
2minds1soul took tile H4, collecting a C.
Arugula took tile C6, collecting an unknown...
DCLXVI took tile A6, collecting a T.
IceGuy took tile F6, collecting a D.

Day 3

MagnaofIllusion

(1) Lady Lambdadelta

whispersilk

(1) Amrun

vijay2vasandani

(1) AurorusVox

Not Voting

(6) MagnaofIllusion, PeregrineV, Robocopter87, whispersilk, vijay2vasandani, Voidedmafia

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline hits in (expired on 2012-08-06 04:51:15).

MoI has declared Limited Access during weekends.

Voidedmafia · Post Post #1131 (ISO) » Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:08 pm

Spoiler: summation of the board

AurorusVox · Post Post #1132 (ISO) » Thu Jul 26, 2012 2:24 am

Collect: J6

FFS

AurorusVox · Post Post #1133 (ISO) » Thu Jul 26, 2012 2:25 am

NO WAIT
I MEANT

FLIP

FFFFFUUUUUUCCCCCCKKKKK

MagnaofIllusion · Post Post #1134 (ISO) » Thu Jul 26, 2012 2:41 am

@AV

– Once I finish my review of Voided I’ll probably be dropping my vote.

My question to you – do you think Vijay is scum but Robo isn’t?

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Voided wrote:The thing I just can't wrap my mind around right now is: Why DCL? Why not you, or me, or Whisper? Maybe I shouldn't get too wrapped up in NK WIFOM, but I just can't comprehend why they'd kill him.

Yes, it is going to be Nightkill WIFOM at it’s heart but remember … scum (unless they are morons and we really don’t have any of them in the game) aren’t going to make kills that in some way don’t benefit them.

Why do you think Whispersilk would be a viable kill?

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LLD wrote:Also Robo is 100% town.

Please eludicate as to why unless you are just going to pass some fluff like “His posts bleed Town” without links in which case don’t bother.

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Vijay wrote:Stupid letter choice was stupid. This letter thing is much harder than it seems.

LLD could be scum.

Um, whut?

Also I don’t care who could be scum given that everyone in the game ‘could’ be so due to random draw. Who do you think IS scum?

MagnaofIllusion · Post Post #1135 (ISO) » Thu Jul 26, 2012 2:43 am

@Everyone

- it's Day 3 and I've seen no evidence that any useful combinations have been made. At this point do you personally think it is worth planning out who takes what tile based on claims of combinations they can make?

MagnaofIllusion · Post Post #1136 (ISO) » Thu Jul 26, 2012 2:45 am

@AV

- probably best you actually flip a tile even though you collected a mystery tile ... :/

MagnaofIllusion · Post Post #1137 (ISO) » Thu Jul 26, 2012 5:08 am

Voided’s ISO

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First 5-7 posts all revolve around discussion and merits of controlling flips and collects. No real scum-hunting material there.

First vote comes for Arugula in Post 112 –

@Voided

– do you have completed games showing a Town penchant for skipping RVS you can link me to?

Post 158 – this reminds me to look at Hoopla again …

His general posting style Day 1 I can see as being annoying but I’m seeing a significant amount of intereactions with many players, asking questions I feel are appropriate, and general Pro-Town play.

I also find his asking question and interacting after the hammer on Arugula to be Town. No reason to keep prying (for example, prompting me to give a firm read here on him).

Day 2 is very similar to Day 1. I don’t have issues with the timing and manner of his interactions with his suspects read as Town to me. I’m not seeing anything that pings my scumdar.

I’m not going to be voting Voided today.

PeregrineV · Post Post #1138 (ISO) » Thu Jul 26, 2012 7:03 am

↑ Voidedmafia wrote:The thing I just can't wrap my mind around right now is: Why DCL? Why not you, or me, or Whisper? Maybe I shouldn't get too wrapped up in NK WIFOM, but I just can't comprehend why they'd kill him.

↑ DCLXVI wrote:Lots of stuff to go over right now.

Reactions to the gambit being revealed
Spoiler:
Robocopter: Vehemently opposed to it which makes sense regardless of his alignment. His reaction to it is a mostly null tell. However his complete misrepresentations of it do come across as scummy. While it would make sense for someone to defend themselves (regardless of alignment) the fact that he is lying as part of his defense still makes me believe that he is scum.

Voided Mafia: Also very much opposed to it. Like with robo, either he just doesn't get it, or he is scum trying to completely tear it apart. The fact that he is willing to put me to L-1 without concern for me self-hammering is very scummy.

ICEguy: Mentions once that he doesn't like it, but thinks robocopter is scum, yet at the same time keeps a scum read on me. His limited response to it seems to me as if he is just trying to play cool with it and not turn it into a big deal. It just doesn't make any sense. He basically is saying that I am scum making a bs gambit on my partner. Very, very poor response. Tons of scum motivation especially since he is essentially setting himself up to be on my wagon and then on robocopter's wagon the next day.

Reads
Spoiler:
Town:

2minds1soul-Already explained earlier
Whispersilk- it would have been all too easy for her to just join my wagon given that she has considered me scum for a lot of the game.
LLD-Dumb but still town.
MoI- Sorry, your case on ICEguy was good, but I wasn't ready to out my gambit yet.

Null:

Amrun- Need to see catchup post before I say anything more about her.
Aurosvox-scummy for being on my wagon, but the way he abandoned it was townish so overall he is null.
Voidedmafia- The one thing that bothers me the most about him is the fact that he is willing to leave me at L-1 despite the fact that I could eff up the town by self-hammering.

Scum:

Vijay2visandani-So he was the second person to vote me and offered no explanation for it. When questioned he said that he had agreed with someone about me being scummy. One problem, at the time of his vote on me no one had made a case on me. So there was no one for him to agree with. His BS explanation is very scummy.
ICEguy-see first spoiler
Robocopter- already explained

Robocopter87 · Post Post #1139 (ISO) » Thu Jul 26, 2012 7:16 am

VOTE: MoI

Voidedmafia · Post Post #1140 (ISO) » Thu Jul 26, 2012 8:45 am

↑ MagnaofIllusion wrote:
Voided wrote:The thing I just can't wrap my mind around right now is: Why DCL? Why not you, or me, or Whisper? Maybe I shouldn't get too wrapped up in NK WIFOM, but I just can't comprehend why they'd kill him.

Yes, it is going to be Nightkill WIFOM at it’s heart but remember … scum (unless they are morons and we really don’t have any of them in the game) aren’t going to make kills that in some way don’t benefit them.

But how does killing DCL benefit anyone?

Also, to answer Pere: Firstly, I highly doubt DCL would've been able to get back to a point where people would've been willing to back his reads had he been alive.

Secondly, Robo was already primed to be in the crosshairs (and vijay was/is shaping up to be that way) almost regardless of IG's flip. Most of us were already gravitating toward lynching one of them after IG, so why DCL in particular?

Why do you think Whispersilk would be a viable kill?

Admittedly she still is somewhat in the crosshairs, but I figured she was out of it enough that she might be a threat.

MoI wrote:@Voided – do you have completed games showing a Town penchant for skipping RVS you can link me to?

Hmm...

Earliest one I got is Long Overdue Mafia

In Newbie 1075 I didn't really participate in RVS (though unlike Long Overdue I didn't outright say I wasn't going to, i just kinda commented without voting before making my serious vote on Trendall).

The most recent game I can find is Newbie 1167 where I state I'm not participating in my IC opening post.

Robo: Unless I'm missing something, I'm pretty sure IG-town doesn't automatically equal MoI-scum.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #1141 (ISO) » Thu Jul 26, 2012 11:49 am

↑ Robocopter87 wrote:Hello, played with quite a few of you and know some others. Hope to have a fun game.

VOTE: AurorusVox

Just cuz.

Also, I would like to remind some that though we have quite an interesting setup we still can find scum through conventional methods. Don't get lost in the setup matrix and let scummy stuff slide. However, this early in the game I think discussing how we will use the setup is very important.

This is not a scum post.

This is not scum thinking.

This is town saying "Hey don't get caught up in mechanics guys!"

Yeah.

Amrun · Post Post #1142 (ISO) » Thu Jul 26, 2012 4:03 pm

I agree with LLD re: Robo.

Collect: H3

Robocopter87 · Post Post #1143 (ISO) » Thu Jul 26, 2012 4:16 pm

Collect: F3

Flip: K2

whispersilk · Post Post #1144 (ISO) » Thu Jul 26, 2012 10:25 pm

I've had some shitty internet over the last few days. Catching up now.

MagnaofIllusion · Post Post #1145 (ISO) » Fri Jul 27, 2012 3:26 am

MOD – I will be LA from 4:30pm EDT today until Monday morning for my usual weekend family duties

@AV

– You can have my vote for the moment. I was wrong about Ice and my ISO work doesn't make me certain that Robo is the clear choice over Vijay.

VOTE: Vijay

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Voided wrote: But how does killing DCL benefit anyone?

I don’t know. It’s more important to look at down the line after we actually get a scum flip but it has to have benefitted them in some way.

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LLD wrote:
This is not a scum post.

This is not scum thinking.

This is town saying "Hey don't get caught up in mechanics guys!"

Yeah.

Lulz. This is the easy “Fake helpful” type of post that is easily thrown down by Scum. It doesn’t actually add any scum-hunting value but says “Oh look at how Townie I am”.

Are you one of Robo’s partners LLD? I know as scum you do tend to try to keep a low profile.

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Robo wrote: Collect: F3

So Robo why should everyone not consider this a Scum-claim? What Word do you intend to make with the S?

Robocopter87 · Post Post #1146 (ISO) » Fri Jul 27, 2012 4:03 am

Share. It is more likely that a person could have many possibilities if I give them the tiles I possess.

You are making "scum claims" out of nothing.

MagnaofIllusion · Post Post #1147 (ISO) » Fri Jul 27, 2012 4:37 am

↑ Robocopter87 wrote:Share. It is more likely that a person could have many possibilities if I give them the tiles I possess.

You are making "scum claims" out of nothing.

Oh good. You are going to now have to follow through with actually using the Share or you get lynched tomorrow. Good to know.

MagnaofIllusion · Post Post #1148 (ISO) » Fri Jul 27, 2012 4:38 am

@Everyone else

- anyone who can counter Robo's claim here (for example, having Letter Checked him last Night and knowing he doesn't have an H) should do so ASAP since that means hes' confirmed scum.

Robocopter87 · Post Post #1149 (ISO) » Fri Jul 27, 2012 4:40 am

↑ MagnaofIllusion wrote:
↑ Robocopter87 wrote:Share. It is more likely that a person could have many possibilities if I give them the tiles I possess.

You are making "scum claims" out of nothing.

Oh good. You are going to now have to follow through with actually using the Share or you get lynched tomorrow. Good to know.

Well obviously.

Hopefully you can get lynched today though.