Judge, Jury, and Executioner - Over

[Thor665]

@WrathChild - speaking of, why'd you never provide the 'back and forth' I did that justified my wagon?

Also, have you weighed in on the brilliance, or lack thereof, of lynching Doom Yoshi?

[Arugula]

While I don't like Hippos stance (or lack there of) on Shadow, I do need agree with him on Arugula, he needs to die tonight. It can't be any more obvious that he is caught scum. The question is, will scum sacrifice their NK (Executioner) to save Arugula. With Shadow's role as claimed the scum will have to risk him to someone else because if he's handed to the Executioner and lives, we know he's scum along with Arugla.

Obviously I'm dying tonight. Everyone thinks I'm scum, but only the scum know I'm town.

I played terribly this game, I admit. I overreacted to Vijay's stupid lie and got myself lynched. And then I accidentally hammered Thor. I'm not confident in Thor town, but I still didn't want him quickhammered.

[Thor665]

The votecount showing I would be quickhammered was on the same page as when you voted.
In fact it was 4 posts away from when you voted me.
In fact you read it because you admitted awareness to being at L-1 with 10 votes on you.
I had 9 votes on me.
You voted me twice.

Discuss.

[guille2015]

The point is that scum should know that we will kill Arugula no matter which branch of the system he goes to. If they don't want him dead, they need to send him to the executioner and forfeit the killing of a more pro-town defendant, i.e. Thor.

This is the kind of discussion we will be making tomorrow. I suggest we discuss this after tomorrow or else mafia might predict the Judges and Executioner's action. I have a couple of ideas to this that I will be happy to discuss tomorrow.

Now I will ISO a few people and see if I can put my votes to better use. Thanks Thor.

[Arugula]

The votecount showing I would be quickhammered was on the same page as when you voted.
In fact it was 4 posts away from when you voted me.
In fact you read it because you admitted awareness to being at L-1 with 10 votes on you.
I had 9 votes on me.
You voted me twice.

Discuss.

I only read my VC and then was like "Wow. I'm at L-1" and posted. I missed your's right under it, and I was an idiot to do that.

[Thor665]

Or scum. But, yeah, I'll accept idiot or scum as the possible answers.
You need death either way.

[Arugula]

Yeah, I think you are a bad omen for me, Thor. In Chosen Mafia in this game, I have played terribly. Hopefully I won't screw up the other game.

But yeah, I'm an idiot and I know I'm dying tonight. I don't really think any players are incredibly scummy, but Thor is setting off my gut.

[DCLXVI]

I'm not being defensive, it's just blatantly obvious.

I think it's a solid claim that makes sense within the context of the game.
However he's playing scummily so I think the claim could have been provided by the mod as a fakeclaim.

What is the issue? If I've called it a good claim and a fakeclaim, what does that equal? A good fakeclaim!!

Well, obviously it wasn't obvious to me what you were thinking, so thanks for answering it.

[Sir Bastion]

@arugula who do you think is scum on your wagon?

[Arugula]

Thor, DoomYoshi, and Vijay.
Vijay never provided reasoning and got me lynched.
Thor keeps making me look worse so he will look town if given to the jury or judge.
DoomYoshi is scummy for what everyone else has already said about him. I really having nothing to add on that.

Of course, I don't think all three are scum, but they are scummy.

And TSH has had pretty sound reasoning. I have a townread on him.

[Thor665]

Why no opinion on Quil, Ser Panda, Nero, or Shadow?

[Axelrod]

And yet you still fail to acknowledge that the existence of TheShadow's role explains why the scum even need to choose in the first place.

Do you need to choose when the answer is obvious?

Exactly. If there was no role that could discover who the executioner was, then there would be no point in introducing a mechanic where the scum have to choose an executioner in the first place. Thus, the existence of the executioner justifies the existence of TheShadow's role, which makes him town.

Okay, MoS, given that you appear to be "clearing" Shadow based solely on this assumption, let me ask you a purely hypothetical question.

Hypothetically

, if there were another, and different role that had the ability to determine who the Executioner was in a given night, would this change your attitude about Shadow?

Goddamnit, wait? I thought the executioner was a complete thing on it's own and just was someone who was chosen to force to do the kill. Son of a bitch.

Unvote Shadow
Unvote Shadow
Vote Ser Panda
Vote Teporting Speed Hippos

This post is giving me the heebie-jeebies. Can you explain your mistake a bit better here Nocmen? You thought the Executioner was what? And how does this mistake change your opinion about Shadow?

[Arugula]

Why no opinion on Quil, Ser Panda, Nero, or Shadow?

I think Ser and Shadow are town, but I'm not as confident with them. Quilford and Nero are null for me.

[Thor665]

@Axelrod - you should vote Nocmen to give your opinion more weight so he'll respond faster.

[Thor665]

Why no opinion on Quil, Ser Panda, Nero, or Shadow?

I think Ser and Shadow are town, but I'm not as confident with them. Quilford and Nero are null for me.

Why didn't you mention them earlier - I don't actually care what your opinion is, I was curious why it was unexpressed.

[Arugula]

I didn't feel the need to mention null reads and I wasn't as confident in my Ser and Shadow townreads.

[Thor665]

Why such a strong read on TSH? That slot has done basically nothing all game.

[Arugula]

Because his posts make sense, his thought process seems genuine, his logic is correct and gut tells me town.

I thought you didn't care about my opinion

[Thor665]

TSH has been one of the more aggressive about your alignment posters, he even dropped some f-bombs on you. Also, he strongly agreed with the push from v2v on you, and you think v2v is scum - discuss?

Also, I'm pushing your opinions, because with the intentional leaving out of other reads for vague reasons I'm of the opinion you mentioned a scumbudy in that first assessment of your wagon - I'm trying to figure out the buddy-buddy on TSH and what I think about it as regards his alignment.

[Arugula]

What push on me? He called me mod-confirmed scum and flaked. I don't see how TSH can really agree with that push.

And this will be for naught when I flip town, but whatever.

[Thor665]

What push on me? He called me mod-confirmed scum and flaked. I don't see how TSH can really agree with that push.

Well..other than that he *did* agree with it, yeah. What point are you making?

[Arugula]

I think v2v is scum for lying and saying I am mod-confirmed scum, and lurking through the rest of the day.

TSH isn't voting me for being mod-confirmed scum. He's voting me for my reaction. At least that's what I've gathered.

[StrangerCoug]

Having a bit of a problem with Teleporting Speed Hippo's attitude.

No need to be so shy sugar.
Do you have a problem in that it's making you dislike us, in that you think we're entirely wrong, or in that you think we're scum?

It's largely dislike. I'm having a difficult time justifying having an attitude problem as scummy.

Thor keeps making me look worse so he will look town if given to the jury or judge.

This rubs me the wrong way. My way of looking at it is that a lot of people have "made you look worse"—that's why you've been hammered. Why is Thor665 being singled out?

[Arugula]

Because he is a defendant. When the jury or judge or whoever is debating whether or not to kill him, they will look at the thread and see, "Oh, he butted heads with scummy Aru, so he's town."

[Knight of Cydonia]

Because he is a defendant. When the jury or judge or whoever is debating whether or not to kill him, they will look at the thread and see, "Oh, he butted heads with scummy Aru, so he's town."

Why are you so sure that he'll be given to the jury or the judge? If he's really "butting heads with scummy Aru" wouldn't it make more sense for the scum to kill him themselves with the Executioner and then put you in front of a hostile Judge or Jury tonight or the next day?