Mini 1350: Spartacus Blood and Sand Mafia Day 2

[Messiah]

[quote=Dan 771]I was only saving the other part in order to catch a fake-claim.[/quote]
What kind of fake claim did you think you could catch? Surely it's not a huge leap of faith to have multiple x-shot unlynchables in a game with a voting mechanic like this.

PS: Do you not have anything to say about your inability to make a substantive post for the entirety of D1? What about the rolefishing? Is this mic on?
PPS: Your case on Code is extremely weak for being the best case you can come up with after 31 pages of content.

[havingfitz]

A bit of a catch up….

@Derpy in Post 644...funny you giving MattP crap for his "case" on Gunny calling it "gut and meta" when that is basically your "case" on me (from D1). Followed by a vote on me fooooooooor what? NK speculation sheeping of inte? Nice. I'm sure compounded by your D1 suspicions of me. BTW...since inte's death and suspicions seem to carry weight with you...what about his suspicions of noob, you and Pine/MattP?

my case on you is certainly different because I was first suspicious of you THIS GAME because you were lurking and not scum hunting. You backed off your vote on mafia-n00b for no damn reason and iirc, you still have not explained why you backed off. (this all is perfectly valid reasons alone)

Uh…bullshit. How was I lurking? Are you basing that off my activity level the week of 4th of July? I addressed the reasons provided for your case on me in Post 453. Your reasons are all crap. There was no lurking…there was a holiday and real life conflicts (more recently with my move). As for my unvote off mafia-noob….what the hell does that matter? People move votes all the time and don’t give reasons for unvoting. Especially early in Day 1. Opinions change. The fact you are calling my unvote of mafia-noob a perfectly valid reason is ridiculous. at you.

AFTER THIS - I thought to myself "hmm, I have played a game where I saw fitz as town and he didn't do the same things that he is doing here, so I think his meta supports my scum read on him"

in my opinion of Matt's case he came in out of the gate and gunned for shotty because of who he is AND because he doesn't believe the miller claim.

I am sure you are too narrowminded to see the difference but YOUR play THIS game is why I thought you were scum.

So let me get this straight…your Beck alter ego was in a game with me a year ago…and you were eliminated (D1 lynch?) before I even replaced in… and yet you have such a good grasp of my town game based on that “experience” a year ago that you have my meta down pat. How do I play as scum? More you-are-full-of-shit rational from Derpy.

I guess you can call it NK speculation, I personally use it as way to compare my reads with a confirmed townie. Inte thought you were scum and his reads are the same as mine. And did we forget the new aspect to my case on you? The accidental hammer... I have only ever accidental hammers come from from scum (once I saw it done by Diety Kabuto as town, but he is a troll) and since you aren't a troll like DK it's yet another reason to suspect you, especially since Phil flipped town.

it is way to easy for scum to say "oops i had no idea" to take some suspicion off you, but I am not buying it. Your accidental hammer is inexcusable.

First off…you have been tunneling me well before I hammered Phil for the aforementioned crap reasons. Regarding the “new aspect” of your suspicions towards me…I’ve already stated that my Phil vote was intentional. It was no accident. I meant to vote Phil. What I did not realize was was that he was at L-1. In this game’s mechanic (ie two ongoing votes) and with some of the challenges our mod has introduced (ie he has not exactly been keeping up with shit) AND with the fact that I do not use the mod’s votecounts anyway but maintain my own (at a now less than perfect success rate)...for you (or anyone) to not accept the possibility I did realize Phil was at L-1 is….um….”narrowminded”. And if he had had a chance to claim I doubt he would have escaped his lynch anyway. So the fact I hammered him (accidentally and before he could claim) is moot. Plus…he was still able to post afterwards and did nothing to redeem himself. Did he ever even claim? I can not recall. He deserved to go.

out of everyone in the game, you are the most visible scummy person to me, if you are actually town well I guess i will apologize post game but I can't see town motivation behind your play. The fact that you continue to vote me just because I am voting you doesn't make me want to change my vote either...

The most visible scum is funny given the reasons you have for determining my alignment. You need glasses (either that or you’re scum). If you are town no apology necessary. And I am not voting you because you are voting me. That’s a misrep. And the fact you say my continued suspicions towards you makes you not want to change your vote on my is basically OMGUS. “Fitz is keeping his vote on me so I have no desire to change my vote on him.” Bullshit!

ROFL HA HA HA HA OMG YOU ARE SO SCUM because there is no way you as town would be so fucking naive to think there are only 2 scum when ALL OF YOUR EXPERIENCES ON SITE have had a minimum of 3.

This reaction is worth noting. The histrionics displayed to try and boost your “case” on me are equivalent to the strongest form of AtE. And I have already proven the rationale for your histrionics to be false (ie all of my experiences on site…current and past…do not have a minimum of 3 scum). And you can shove your “fucking naïve” comment up your fu… you can figure it out.

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my case on you

1. lurking towards the beginning of the game and not scum hunting 2. promising content and failing to deliver (you claim you were on v/la yet you posted in the game during that time period and never indicated as such, which means I don't believe you) 3. abandoning a very valid vote on mafia-n00b for essentially no reason (not sure you ever did provide a reason, which means there is a possible fitz/n00b connection) 4. voting Phil for a very horrible reason, especially since you were guilty of the exact same things you were accusing him of and the fact that it was an hammer of him, which you claim was "accidental" and using VCA like you just tried to do, the odds are there was at least 1 scum on Phil's wagon so what better person to look at that the one who voted for a bad reason (which scum usually do) and you hammered without a claim and claimed it was an accident (which is hands down scummy, town would have paid closer attention and made sure they weren't going to hammer) 5. my interpretation of your game meta supports

all of these reasons add up to valid reasons to vote you.

1) No lurking…and by far not the least active poster. I.e. Bullshit. 2) Show me when I said I would provide content by? Show me where I said I was v/LA. I said I expected to be able to devote more attention to the game but I made no promises wrt when…and my comment was made the day before the 4th of July. If you want to question activity and availability during that timeframe go for it but it’s a crap point when no promise was broken. 3) Remind me…why was I voting mafia-noob and what made it a valid vote? And if it was so valid why haven’t you explored that option? As for my unvote…I address that above but I reiterate…since when is an absence of unvote reasoning a bad thing? Have you ever unvoted without providing a reason? 4) Why was my reasoning for voting Phil horrible….why was it worse reasoning than anyone else on his wagon…and why was my vote on mafia-noob very valid in comparison? I.e. more Derpy bullshit. 5) I call bullshit on your meta. You keep saying you know I would or would do this or that and that town wouldn’t do this or that and your examples are stupid and equate to you just saying what you want to say or believe and nothing based on fact. You don’t fcuking know me from Jack and the lone game we have together is a pathetic basis to go on considering we weren’t even active in it at the same time and it was a year+ ago. I.e. more Derpy crap.

So in summary……Derpy’s case on me is ridiculously poor. His case would be better if he just said he randomized all the players and I came up scum.

now where is your case on me?

It’s in posts 362 and 373. essentially it boils down to the case you have tried to concoct on me and what I perceive as untruths, misreps, and your conduct in general. Ie I find you full of shit and scummy. Plenty of people have voted me and I do not think they are all scummy. But of those I do…you’re #1. Congrats.

Havingfitz - what are your opinions of Action dan and shotty?

using your VCA if we assume that defender is town, those two people along with yourself were on both wagons and I'm curious to your opinions on them.

also, since Phil was town, who are your guesses for scum on the phil wagon ?

I’ve given my opinion of Action Dan and my thoughts on Phil’s wagon. As you like to tell others…try reading.

As for shotty…my current opinion of him is that he is playing terrible/scummy in this game and that combined with his claim…I think he just needs to go. He might have a vote from me before this day is out (if a Derpy wagon doesn’t gain any traction).

And a shuffle of my votes….

VOTE: 1 Derpy

VOTE: 2 D3f3nd3r

[ActionDan]

that vote on Code is actually quite interesting Dan....

if you look at day 1 - dan suspects code a fair amount but doesn't really do anything to push his wagon. Interesting enough Code hardly mentions Dan at all. In post 511 Dan switches over to Defender because "code isn't happening" but he doesn't do anything to make it happen.

compare Dan and myself for example. Fitz wagon wasn't going anywhere either but I was at least attempting to make it happen, Dan however doesn't do anything to make sure people vote him.


I really see a Dan/Code/Fitz scum team. Look at Dan's interactions on Fitz you see the same sort of thing, it looks like classic distancing. He "suspects" them but never pushes hard for either of them.

Looking at Fitz - Dan votes fitz but doesn't bat an eye really, but when I vote fitz the entire world is collapsing and he spends most of the day focused on me. Post 373 when he gives his reads he has Dan as null and code as null-scum than his vote on Dan today because of his claim seems forced.

I'd much rather put dan and fitz into a duel, but if people would rather put Code into the duel that would work also. I am hopeful someone else notices this relationship and I am not imagining things.


As for defender - I really want to think he is scum, but looking over his reaction after he claimed and people still wanted him lynched, that reaction is so n00b town. I have never seen scum react like that after they claimed VT, He is a bit useless for my liking, but re-reading him he just looks like a n00b who doesn't really know how to play.

Vote1: ActionDan

Vote2: Havingfitz

I don't believe the claim, there is NO WAY the mod told him he was shot last night (and if the mod did, I will be extremely dissapointed in the mod because I have always been told on MS you do not tell people these kind of things, it's almost considered a NO NO)


Let's do this yo

You're exaggerating.

I voted Code on the 12th (Wednesday midnight) and was the first vote on the "wagon." At that point defender and fitz had sizable (but not overwhelming) wagons and many votes were scattered and I thought Code_X was scummier than both Fitz/defender and that people would come to realize this. I knew I didn't have time as I was busy that Friday and knew I wouldn't have computer access at all Saturday and Sunday. I suppose I could have tried a little harder that Thursday and reiterate the case and perhaps gone "sheep me people!"

Still only Peregrine and Whisper showed any interest (and Whisper kept to Defender) and no one else bothered to even consider the Code_X wagon or even take a look at him. In fact by Friday, Fitz's and Defender's wagons grew in size. With me going V/LA I decided to influence the choice between defender and fitz by voting defender and pushing him over the edge to the status of the default lynch.

I'm seeing this as an impromtu argument to supplement your bias of disbelieving my claim. Which is extraordinary. Here let me ask you, suppose the mod didn't tell me about losing my immunity. Scum gets caught via cop claim or the like, I offer to go to battle in the arena, thinking I'm immune. I die instead. Do you think this is more probable then being told I was shot so the town doesn't royally fuck itself over?

What kind of fake claim did you think you could catch? Surely it's not a huge leap of faith to have multiple x-shot unlynchables in a game with a voting mechanic like this.

PS: Do you not have anything to say about your inability to make a substantive post for the entirety of D1? What about the rolefishing? Is this mic on?
PPS: Your case on Code is extremely weak for being the best case you can come up with after 31 pages of content.

I honestly can't tell if that's sarcastic. What happens if two unlynchables face eachother in that case?

PS: rolefishing? I was asking only for the person who shot me to claim. It a) confirms my claim, b) makes it so that if anyone is ever linked to the shot and doesn't admit it, gets lynched. c) If someone did come forward, either someone will cc by claiming to vig Inte or we can establish that inte was at least a scum shot. d) excuse me but do you see anyone claiming the shot? no? good we've established that I was shot by scum, and no other roles were outed.

I think your critique of my D1 is also greatly exxagerated. I will get to it after the weekend.

PSS: why do you find it weak? I think it's indicative of a scum mindset and agenda.

[mafia-n00b]

d) excuse me but do you see anyone claiming the shot? no? good we've established that I was shot by scum, and no other roles were outed.

This is absurd. Just because a possible vig doesn't want to openly claim doesn't mean there wasn't one. Besides, we only have your word that you were shot at all! You've "established" nothing.

[ActionDan]

missed this.

FYI: Inte was Spartacus.

Dan, you seemed town, then you claimed that you were shot. I forgot to clarify that the "shot" claim really screwed you over and made you seem scummy.

how so? you literally went "inte seems more likely to be shot with his lynch-fight immunity" ---> ##Vote: ActionDan

which a) ignores the possibility of being shot by someone else, b) ignores people's perception's of me/Inte c) immediately jumps to the conclusion that scum shot inte for being lynch-immune. While this is something I know to be very unlikely, since I have a unique perspective, it's not something that I would immediately assume regardless. I have to wonder if your certainty in supplying Scum with a motive to kill inte comes from some kind of Confirmation bias, although that would mean you as scum shot inte.

-cut

N00b, was there any downside to claiming? That's the point. Either I'm lying scum or I'm town confirming that I was shot by scum. (possibly by an ITP SK). sorry I used the "established" and didn't temper my words to suit an outside observer.

[Messiah]

Go go gadget _unofficialvote count. I'm assuming votes were reset at the beginning of the day, but I could be wrong. Pretty sure I got it right, let me know if there's anything off.

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VOTE1

L-3

ActionDan (Messiah, D3f3nd3r, Derpy Hooves)

L-4

Code_X (PeregrineV, ActionDan)

L-5

Derpy Hooves (havingfitz)

L-5

drmyshotgun (mafia-n00b)

L-5

MattP (drmyshotgun)

L-5

PeregrineV (MattP)

Not Voting: whispersilk, Code_X

VOTE2

L-1

D3f3nd3r (PeregrineV, mafia-n00b, Messiah, ActionDan, havingfitz)

L-5

drmyshotgun (MattP)

L-5

MattP (D3f3nd3r)

L-5

havingfitz (Derpy Hooves)

Not Voting: whispersilk, Code_X, drmyshotgun

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I'm seeing this as an impromtu argument to supplement your bias of disbelieving my claim. Which is extraordinary. Here let me ask you, suppose the mod didn't tell me about losing my immunity. Scum gets caught via cop claim or the like, I offer to go to battle in the arena, thinking I'm immune. I die instead. Do you think this is more probable then being told I was shot so the town doesn't royally fuck itself over?

I'll answer this: Yes.

I honestly can't tell if that's sarcastic. What happens if two unlynchables face eachother in that case?

No lynch? Honestly, I don't know. Lynchproof is a

really

non-standard role, but it fits in with the quirks of this game well.

PS: rolefishing? I was asking only for the person who shot me to claim. It a) confirms my claim, b) makes it so that if anyone is ever linked to the shot and doesn't admit it, gets lynched. c) If someone did come forward, either someone will cc by claiming to vig Inte or we can establish that inte was at least a scum shot. d) excuse me but do you see anyone claiming the shot? no? good we've established that I was shot by scum, and no other roles were outed.

Yes, rolefishing. There may not be a single thing more anti-town than rolefishing. What if we have a vig and he/she/it was dumb enough to claim the shot against you? Then the mafia would just night kill them tomorrow. The rest of what you said is just.. wrong. See mafia-n00b in post 778.

[Apple Jack]

I'll reply to fitz's wall when I get to a pc., same with Dan's

But regarding the recent post - there was no town motivation to claim your role like that. If scum actually tried to shoot you and it failed it means they may try again. To be NKd as town and not be a heavy PR is a good thing derp.

Now say you are scum and your shot failed, your claim could force someone to claim to prove you wrong. In your mind trading scum for a pr is good.

Since you weren't a town read for me and your claim did nothing to help town, I don't beleive your claim.

[ActionDan]

Yes, rolefishing. There may not be a single thing more anti-town than rolefishing. What if we have a vig and he/she/it was dumb enough to claim the shot against you? Then the mafia would just night kill them tomorrow. The rest of what you said is just.. wrong. See mafia-n00b in post 778.

I have a hard time seeing a vig shooting me. And if one did waiting on the claiming a vig shot on me would only be a greater liability later, as it would be more unbelievable. I guess the vig could lie and keep shooting but if he's ever caught shooting it will out the pr that caught him and result in a mislynch in that case. So I don't particularly see the downside in the mafia shooting a scummy vig in the case they are outed.

No lynch? Honestly, I don't know. Lynchproof is a really non-standard role, but it fits in with the quirks of this game well.

Man, it's like I could actually BE one.

I'll reply to fitz's wall when I get to a pc., same with Dan's

But regarding the recent post - there was no town motivation to claim your role like that. If scum actually tried to shoot you and it failed it means they may try again. To be NKd as town and not be a heavy PR is a good thing derp.

Now say you are scum and your shot failed, your claim could force someone to claim to prove you wrong. In your mind trading scum for a pr is good.

Since you weren't a town read for me and your claim did nothing to help town, I don't beleive your claim.

No town motivation? O really? claiming confirms the existance of two killer roles, information the town would otherwise not know, and informs any potential trackers, watchers, and the like that whoever targetted me is likely scum, or is at least a killer. Why would scum try to kill a person who didn't die the first time? And if I'd been killed without claiming, you'd never know I was a PR, which would be important when massclaim happens sometime down the line.

I don't understand your sentence completely but it's super unlikely that scum would at some point later in the game claim something that I could counter alone, besides potentially being unlynchable.

Again, you're marginalizing the information I'm supplying, to say nothing of completely shuting down the notion that the Mod told me that my Bulletproof was used up.

[ActionDan]

V/LA

over weekend. be back Monday night

[Messiah]

I refuse to explain to you why outing numerous power roles for no reason is a terrible idea. I hope for your sake you're just flailing scum and not this dense.

[Messiah]

I would like to apologize for answering that question Dan directed at Derpy before Derpy got to respond. That was poor form.

[Apple Jack]

Fitz - I am not going to respond to everything in your post 776 because it all boils down to differences of opinions. I think my reasons are good enough to vote you into a battle, you disagree.

Spoiler:

Re: the lurking - My vote on you isn't for lurking JUST during the 4th of July week, but the time before that. It also boils down to what I consider lurking and what you consider lurking. My idea of someone lurking is someone who seems to be staying under the radar, avoiding posting, not posting much of value when they do post, making excuses for activity, and a few other things. IMO scum want to seem like they are active enough which is what I felt you were doing. If I am wrong - I'm sorry but that is me, that is how I play.

So let me get this straight…your Beck alter ego was in a game with me a year ago…and you were eliminated (D1 lynch?) before I even replaced in… and yet you have such a good grasp of my town game based on that “experience” a year ago that you have my meta down pat. How do I play as scum? More you-are-full-of-shit rational from Derpy.

lol I didn't even know I played a game with you as beck, probably because I got lynched day 1. I have other alts besides beck and I also know how to do my meta research. My observations about you are from a combinations of things

RE: your accidental hammer of phil - I personally don't feel your reasons for voting him were very good, especially since you say my reasons voting you are crap and your reasons voting Phil were things you were guilty of yourself. So you voted someone for doing sort of the same thing as you. Plus lazy town and scum are the people who don't pay attention to a player not being at L-1, proper play if someone is close is to ask for a vote count at the very least. I have seen scum "accidentially hammer" and try and play it off, I have also seen trolling town. I have never seen someone who is a decent player (which is what I consider you to be) do that ever in my 3+ years on this site.


so skipping down a few things cause not everything is worth responding to.

1) No lurking…and by far not the least active poster. I.e. Bullshit.
2) Show me when I said I would provide content by? Show me where I said I was v/LA. I said I expected to be able to devote more attention to the game but I made no promises wrt when…and my comment was made the day before the 4th of July. If you want to question activity and availability during that timeframe go for it but it’s a crap point when no promise was broken.
3) Remind me…why was I voting mafia-noob and what made it a valid vote? And if it was so valid why haven’t you explored that option? As for my unvote…I address that above but I reiterate…since when is an absence of unvote reasoning a bad thing? Have you ever unvoted without providing a reason?
4) Why was my reasoning for voting Phil horrible….why was it worse reasoning than anyone else on his wagon…and why was my vote on mafia-noob very valid in comparison? I.e. more Derpy bullshit.
5) I call bullshit on your meta. You keep saying you know I would or would do this or that and that town wouldn’t do this or that and your examples are stupid and equate to you just saying what you want to say or believe and nothing based on fact. You don’t fcuking know me from Jack and the lone game we have together is a pathetic basis to go on considering we weren’t even active in it at the same time and it was a year+ ago. I.e. more Derpy crap.

1. sure you weren't the least active, but you don't have to be the least active to lurk. Active lurkers tend to be in the middle to low end, which you actually were.
2.

"show me where I said I would provide content by?" Maybe I misinterpreted this?

Show me where I said I was v/LA. - here

(I find it odd that you post IN THE MIDDLE of your v/la and say so but when you post ON JULY 4TH, you make no mention that you had family in town.)

"I said I expected to be able to devote more attention to the game but I made no promises wrt when…and my comment was made the day before the 4th of July. If you want to question activity and availability during that timeframe go for it but it’s a crap point when no promise was broken. "

Than I guess I misinterpreted, I assumed by that comment we would have seen you post more content than you had already, which by my standards wasn't enough. For that I apologize

3. you voted mafia-n00b for this, which I felt was a valid vote from you.
Yes I am sure I have un-voted without a reason, but you hammered Phil for a weak reason and Phil flipped town, so sorry if this looks like scum trying to mislynch someone. I am entitled to my own opinions aren't I? even if you say I am dead wrong, they are my opinions.

4. your reasons for voting Phil because you hammered him for lurking and because he wasn't voting. Since when are these valid reasons for lynching someone? When someone flips town on a lynch, you analzye votes and reasonsings for which ones look fabricated or weak. Yours absolutely qualifies. So do some others. (in my opinion) and if you want to call my opinions "derpy bullshit" that is your right, because it is YOUR OPINION. look, we each have our own opinions and they just happen to disagree with each other. Imagine that... I could say you are wrong (cause in my mind you are) but will that do? nothing.

5. You don't know what I do or do not know about my meta knowledge of you. You don't know how many games have I actually played with you and how many of yours I have actually read. so you can call BS on my meta, again you are entitled to your opinion.

So in summary……Derpy’s case on me is ridiculously poor.

that is your opinion.

earlier you said this

VOTE: 2 Derpy for his continued push on town (moi) for crap reasoning

technically you are guilty of doing this too...

When I ask for your case on me you post 2 links and than summarize your case by saying this

essentially it boils down to the case you have tried to concoct on me and what I perceive as untruths, misreps, and your conduct in general. Ie I find you full of shit and scummy. Plenty of people have voted me and I do not think they are all scummy. But of those I do…you’re #1. Congrats.

that's an air tight case you have there...

[Apple Jack]

ok this deserves it's own post

When I ask Fitz his opinion of Dan, he says the following.

I’ve given my opinion of Action Dan

so I do an ISO search on Fitz and than look for posts where Fitz gives his reads on dan and this is what I find.

post 362 - you say "Leaning town on Action."
Post 373 - "Null-town: Action"
post 679 - this is after he claims

Action Dan has been a bit of a ? mark for me this game. Looking back at his post 511 after MattP (iirc) made a big deal about it allowed me to notice a bit of a discrepancy in that Action was unsure of me and fine with keeping me around until D2 (how magnanimous of you ) but then he {Action} prompts D3f to vote for me.

VOTE: 1 ActionDan (until we know more about his claim at least) VOTE: 2 Derpy for his continued push on town (moi) for crap reasoning

So day 1 leaning town basically and day 2 he is a question mark and he votes him after he claims to be shot?

does that make sense to anyone?

this is the very reason why I suspect an action/combo.

[Messiah]

I just read a bunch of drmyshotgun games. Can anyone guess what I found? Matty is right. He plays

so much

better as town than he has here, and he only ever displays anything similar to the level of aggression he has here in his scum games.

unvote1, vote1: drmyshotgun

We can throw Dan to the wolves later.

[Messiah]

Oh, and Derpy, he gets lynched D1 as town here. I'd recommend you and everyone else check out any of his other games as well. The point Matt has been trying to make this entire time is just about the most obvious thing in the world once you take a look.

[MattP]

[D3f3nd3r]

I clarified two things. Dan, step it up, getting crazy reads when someone clarifies someone.

[Messiah]

Psst, Matty, join mafia-n00b and I on drmyshotgun's vote1 wagon.

[MattP]

Unvote1

Unvote2

Vote1: Drmyshotgun

[havingfitz]

d) excuse me but do you see anyone claiming the shot? no? good we've established that I was shot by scum, and no other roles were outed.

This is absurd. Just because a possible vig doesn't want to openly claim doesn't mean there wasn't one. Besides, we only have your word that you were shot at all! You've "established" nothing.

^ This.

@ActionDan....

N00b, was there any downside to claiming? That's the point. Either I'm lying scum or I'm town confirming that I was shot by scum. (possibly by an ITP SK). sorry I used the "established" and didn't temper my words to suit an outside observer.

If there is a town role that can shoot....them clearing you while outing themselves would be bad. I'd rather have a town PR who can kill than a BP townie who has expended their PR (so they claim). Based on your claim you're just a VT now. I'd rather you be lynched (assuming your play warrants it) than lose a town killing role. I.e. your request for someone to confirm you were shot at is silly. No one, scum or town, is going to put their head on the chopping block (especially on D2) to save you.

[chesskid3]

VC/prods inbound tomorrow

super sorry

[PeregrineV]

I see the derry fitz back and forth, but will want to verify links! Quotes, etc before taking a side, if I decide to.

[drmyshotgun]

I'll do something useful tomorrow.
Sorry for inactivity.

[D3f3nd3r]

Prod dodge. Almost nothing has happened in a while.

[MattP]

Prod dodge until Chesskid gets up a VC