WWE Attitude Era 2.0 Game over nWo'd

[Yates]

i have to stop you guys right now before you speculate any further

i retract my vig claim

???

WTF???

[inte]

well i wanted to see what bad ideas would try to be pushed forth

not really much happening

[Kublai Khan]

Sorry I haven't posted yet. My computer is down for the nextfew days and I'm phone posting.

I read through the threadthough and pigdey is scummy. With no sample role pm, he sounds like newb-scum trying to figure out how to later fakeclaim.

Inte's play is fucking horrible. But I don't see scum motivation for it.

VOTE: pigdey

[pappums rat]

Also I know my vote on Snake is shit. I've read games of his and Im just having some fun right now.

UNVOTE: Snake

So you know your vote on Snake was shit and were "just having some fun" yet there are people in this game who are actually trying to get Snake lynched for policy reasons. To me this looks like you were piling onto a mostly serious wagon with a serious vote (you echo others who are trying to get him lynched based on his playstyle) and now are backtracking saying you were "just having some fun"? Yeah, Im calling bullshit on that. Which games of his did you read?

RVS is over Elmo. Do you really not have anything to comment on that is happening in this game?

LOL at inte's #81.

#85-87- guys, inte isnt a vig, he was just bullshitting in that post. Lets not mire this game in talk about what was obviously just a bullshit throwaway comment. I also dont think we should talk about the PGO claim at this point, let the game play itself out.

I do Im just lazy. Im with pidgey though. Why not claim the flavor. As a wrestling fan I want to know. Im going to guess who it is since this is the "Attutde Era" Inb4Pillman.

Also inte your posts are crap. And fake claiming and retracting later. Yeah not flying
VOTE: inte

Here's some fluff where you soft-defend pidgey (who's wagon is obviously obvshit) and then you put a terrible vote down on inte. inte's posts are crap, but crap does not equal scum and you have provided no reasoning for why inte's crap posting is scum motivated. inte was obviously dicking around with his vig claim, why in the hell would you put that as a reason for him being scum?

[pappums rat]

I read through the threadthough and pigdey is scummy. With no sample role pm, he sounds like newb-scum trying to figure out how to later fakeclaim.

How so? Jason's games are completely randomized where good guys can be scum and bad guys can be town, at least from what I remember of his last few games that I played. I dont think PRs would have any flavor justification either.

[SnakePlissken]

Hello, sorry I'm late, just got back from holiday today. See the usual suspects are about. Nice to see I'm getting no respect already.. I actually agree with Le Prana there has been some serious scummy activity going on here. The top 3 I'm looking at currently:

Nexus
ThaD
Elmo

[Nexus]

Completely ignoring both inte and Pidgey?

Nice.

[PranaDevil]

So... inte fake-claims vig, then retracts that after I point out that if he doesn't shoot TGG tonight as he said, he is tomorrow's auto-lynch, Khan apparently sees this as perfectly fine behaviour (buh?), including when you consider everything up to that point as well... Khan as a likely inte buddy is noted.

And Yates, care to join me on the inte wagon now? Or are we still going to let him "vig" TGG tonight as per your original plan that was based on him lying for some reason that makes absolutely no sense unless it came from a poor scum plan of "let's try and lure out the town vig/find out if town has a vig".

Nexus, Pidgey is likely town at this stage, but yeah, good call on him ignoring inte. Not too sure why he has you listed, he knows you as well as I do, and Snake knows that if you draw a scum role, you manage to get lynched within about 2 minutes of the game beginning, so you're likely town based on that alone .

[Nexus]

It's odd that he didn't mention it at all though.

[inte]

i

honestly

didnt like pidgey's eagerness to let me shoot the PGO

[Lance]

Man, you're really going out of your way to make Pidgey sound bad, aren't you? Found yourself an easy target already, huh?

1. It's my interpretation of most of what he's talked about this whole game. Sorry if you don't agree.
2. How is he an easy target if I'm "going out of my way" to make him sound bad?

While I do agree that Pidgey's flavor fishing is kind of a boneheaded move, I don't see any nefarious intentions behind it. You, however, seem to be making a concerted effort to

make

it seem nefarious. Hence why I voted for you. Sorry if you don't agree.

This is a good thing because most things that happen at night are bad for Town and good for scum.

Bwuh? Have ye so little confidence in our power roles?

Not sure what you're point is, (like above), no one is going to claim a TNA character outright so what's the problem?

Yeah, that's true. If the Scum team is comprised of TNA guys, of course they're not going to say who they are.

I was working under the (erroneous?) assumption that the Scum team was an actual faction or group, but Pappums Rat says otherwise (here)...and it sounds like he's more familiar with Jason's games than I am, so I believe him. Back to the drawing board, I guess.

WAIT WTF

HOW DID YOU KNOW zzz

im really scared of pappums right now

Care to elaborate on this? What did he say that frightened you?

I have played with Inte and believe him when he says he will shoot TGG so I'm not ready to speculate beyond that.

Do you believe he's telling the truth about being a Vigilante even after his "retraction"?

[SnakePlissken]

Do I have to point out the obvious? Nexus also has a tendency to post overly aggressive when he is scum also. Although I have been surprised the white knighting hasn't begun by Le Prana too. Oh I'm not ignoring anyone I have no loyalty to anyone so I'm looking at who I want to look at currently.

[inte]

the fact that he didn't even blink twice at my vig claim puts him softly into my town category

[forehead7]

I think you spoke too soon.

Yeah

And Yates, care to join me on the inte wagon now? Or are we still going to let him "vig" TGG tonight as per your original plan that was based on him lying for some reason that makes absolutely no sense unless it came from a poor scum plan of "let's try and lure out the town vig/find out if town has a vig".

Huh, I didn't even think about that. If there is a town vig, shooting Inte wouldn't be the worst thing in the world at this point.

Not sure what you're point is, (like above), no one is going to claim a TNA character outright so what's the problem?

Yeah, that's true. If the Scum team is comprised of TNA guys, of course they're not going to say who they are.

I was working under the (erroneous?) assumption that the Scum team was an actual faction or group, but Pappums Rat says otherwise (here)...and it sounds like he's more familiar with Jason's games than I am, so I believe him. Back to the drawing board, I guess.

If they are a faction(in the actual kayfabe, WWE storylines) then they'll be given safeclaims if 1 or 2 of them die as members of the same faction, it'll become obvious who's left.

But this is mindless assumptions and should probably be dropped as it's not going to help.

[pidgey]

Kublai Khan- Im not NOOB SCUM you stupid idiot. Ive played plenty of games as town or scum.
Why the hell would he name claiming would even help me out to "nameclaim later" anyway if I was scum? You are making shit up completely out of thin air.

Second most scummy player right here with one single post.

[pidgey]

i

honestly

didnt like pidgey's eagerness to let me shoot the PGO

Why in the fuck of fucks wouldnt you not like me saying that? It was a town move and I approved.

[Sawyer]

If I had to pick between you or Pidgey for the lynch, it would be you at the moment, even with you claiming vig, purely because even if it turned out you are a town vig, we'd at least not have someone taking out people who aren't scummy, while keeping those that legitimately are. In fact, a vig with poor judgement is as bad to town as scum are, perhaps more so, because while they're alive we are losing 2 town per night, rather than 1.

Even though it's since been revealed that inte was lying about his claim (seriously, does he always play this bad?), this post was just awful. Why would you want to lynch a claimed vig at all? There is no way a vig with bad judgement is as bad to town as scum is. You're putting him in a hypothetical where he'll only kill town because you don't agree with his suspects. Not to mention how he said he would target the PGO himself which would be perfect when tomorrow comes around: Either he would've died proving the PGO true or he would've lived proving either Gobbledy or himself liar. It would've been a win-win, but you wanted to lynch him today. This was just really mind blowing to me.

Sawyer's #51 and 53 are bad, but I think it just looks like an over-reaction to pidgey's playstyle.

pidgey looks town. His hairtrigger playstyle is exactly the same as it was in ERM and I see no scum motivation in his posts.

Alright, I look the liberty of skimming Pidgeys posts in ERM and you seem to be correct. It's not hard to get him touchy.

That

was the backbone for my case on him, but since that may just be how he is, it won't hold so much weight. I'll still be keeping it in mind though should something else come up (since he is getting progressively worse).

Unvote: Pidgey

Sawyer, whats your "Backbone" of your vote on me then? Please explain in detail. Your point only seems to be you dont like my 34. But then you also question the same people that are voting me in the exact same sentence that you vote me? Please. More votes here.

As stated above, the backbone was your reactions to pressure. That's the long and short of it.

You seem to be under the impression that just because I'm on the same wagon as someone else, I have to be ok with their reasons (which were different from mine). Like I said: it's called scumhunting.

Forhead - Its [Retracted] For now.

Also I know my vote on Snake is shit. I've read games of his and Im just having some fun right now.

UNVOTE: Snake

You were voting for PM when you made that unvote... Shouldn't you be aware of who you're currently voting for?

On that note, does your vote for inte even count since you unvoted the wrong person?

well i wanted to see what bad ideas would try to be pushed forth

not really much happening

Bad ideas? I think you started with them when you fakeclaimed vig. Though that did bring forth another: Prana's bad idea to lynch you when thought to be a vig.

Hello, sorry I'm late, just got back from holiday today. See the usual suspects are about. Nice to see I'm getting no respect already.. I actually agree with Le Prana there has been some serious scummy activity going on here. The top 3 I'm looking at currently:

Nexus
ThaD
Elmo

*Sigh* I don't think I'm gonna like this guy.

i

honestly

didnt like pidgey's eagerness to let me shoot the PGO

Why not? In what way is that not a good move for town?

While I do agree that Pidgey's flavor fishing is kind of a boneheaded move, I don't see any nefarious intentions behind it. You, however, seem to be making a concerted effort to make it seem nefarious. Hence why I voted for you. Sorry if you don't agree.

What are you talking about? Have you not read anything I've posted? Time and time again, I've specifically stated that I don't care if he's flavor fishing. I never did. You are seriously coming off like you just wanted to get in early on my wagon.

But I was really hoping for an answer to my second question (which it looked like you ignored): How is he an easy target if I'm "going out of my way" to make him sound bad? It can only be one or the other. That contradictory reasoning is also making you come off like you just wanted to get on a wagon that had potential to take off.

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So even though inte is playing horribly, I'm gonna have to wait and see if the fakeclaim is more dumb town or dumb scum. So that's to be determined.

Otherwise I really didn't like Prana's willingness, or his reasons, to lynch a Vig, so he'll be getting my vote. But depending on Lances response to my question, he may quickly take Prana's place.

Vote: PranaDevil

[pidgey]

Ive been thinking about something since inte unclaimmed vig.

Why did the supposed PGO had NOTHING to say about being killed when he had the chance? I mean, I expect to at least acknowledge it or a small comment on it like "Oh, ok, you'll just die if you are a vig but whatever" or "No! If you are town its just a pointless dead." Something, any reaction would have been ok.

When inte claimed in posst 24, The Gobbledy Gooker did 2 posts. One was about something and the other was a vote. Nothing about being vigged.

So this is a weird thing and it actually makes me feel that TGG is scummy.

Pappums- Why did you figured the vig was lying?

[Elmo TeH AzN]

The snake wagon wasn't that serious. Was he ever in any threat of being lynched?

Side Note: Just watched MITB and now Raw 1000. DX. Oh Yes.

[PranaDevil]

If I had to pick between you or Pidgey for the lynch, it would be you at the moment, even with you claiming vig, purely because even if it turned out you are a town vig, we'd at least not have someone taking out people who aren't scummy, while keeping those that legitimately are. In fact, a vig with poor judgement is as bad to town as scum are, perhaps more so, because while they're alive we are losing 2 town per night, rather than 1.

Even though it's since been revealed that inte was lying about his claim (seriously, does he always play this bad?), this post was just awful. Why would you want to lynch a claimed vig at all?

In short:

A vig is put into a set-up to WEAKEN the town, not strengthen them (though it's admittedly swingy), a vig that is playing like crap right off the bat, who seems scummy (ergo, might not even BE a vig), and who looks to be pissing blindly into the wind when it comes to reads... is going to dick the town over massively.

Three scenarios if we assume inte was the vig:

1 - inte shoots TGG who is a PGO - We lose the town vig, TGG is revealed as a PGO (which are often one use, though people who have played Jason's games before would know if he tends to stick by this or has them as multiple use), scum can now remove that slot with ease. In addition, we're 2 town down overnight.

2 - inte shoots elsewhere - rough average dictates about 75% of this game will be town, this means he is likely to stuff it up royally just on pure numbers, let alone the fact he is less Bobby Heenan and more Lord Alfred Hayes in regards to his scum hunting making him even more inclined to mis-fire, and we begin tomorrow with -2 town, and a basically auto-lynch of inte. So we waste tomorrow as well, giving scum a freebie in the process (a likely total of 4 town down purely by leaving him alive).

3 - We lynch inte - Assuming he's the town vig here remember (I'm actually of the view he's scum, and was when I voted him, so... yeah), we remove a damaging role from the game, save any possible confusion tomorrow, and only lose 1 town player overnight with no waste tomorrow.

The risk of lynching a town-vig-inte, opposed to the benefits of lynching a scum-lying-inte, leads to benefits to town at all stages. Assume that games normally lynch town day one, and the risk of removing the vig while hunting scum aren't even negligable, they're still a boost to town's overall performance by removing the role if the worst case scenario (inte being town) were to occur.

Of course, the real version is "I didn't think inte was a vig, and felt he was scum", but I wanted to show you evidence that your "a vig is good for town" stuff is all bollocks at the same time.

[jasonT1981]

Day 1 Vote Count 2

Pidgy 3 -Gobbledy Gooker,Inte,Kublai Khan,
Sawyer 2 - pidgey,Lance,
Inte 2 - PranaDevil,Elmo,
DavidX 2 - Yates,forehead7,
PranaDevil 2 - ThAdmiral,sawyer,
Wraith 1- I Am Innocent,
IamInnocent 1 - WrathChild,
THAdmiral 1 - Nexus,
Elmo 1 - pappums rat,

Not Voting

Nerodoesthesplits
SnakePlissken
PMysterious
DavidX
Internet Stranger
CJ Miller

With 21 alive it takes 12 to lynch. With a 21 day deadline.

(expired on 2012-08-18 10:34:53)

till Day 1 Deadline

[inte]

Ive been thinking about something since inte unclaimmed vig.

Why did the supposed PGO had NOTHING to say about being killed when he had the chance? I mean, I expect to at least acknowledge it or a small comment on it like "Oh, ok, you'll just die if you are a vig but whatever" or "No! If you are town its just a pointless dead." Something, any reaction would have been ok.

When inte claimed in posst 24, The Gobbledy Gooker did 2 posts. One was about something and the other was a vote. Nothing about being vigged.

So this is a weird thing and it actually makes me feel that TGG is scummy.

Pappums- Why did you figured the vig was lying?

if you actually thought it was scummy then you would've voted

Sawyer explained what his case was pretty clearly

[pappums rat]

Pappums- Why did you figured the vig was lying?

Because it was only his second post (his first was a self vote) and there was nothing serious about the claim, it seemed like an obvious joke to me. Go back and read that sequence and I think you will come to that same conclusion.

The snake wagon wasn't that serious. Was he ever in any threat of being lynched?

Uh, yeah, I think the Snake wagon actually was that serious, at least for a few people who dont seem to like Snake all that much. Policy lynches are rare but they do occasionally happen, and it looked like you were jumping on to an easy wagon. And I see you avoided the main part of why I continue to vote you, which is that your reasoning for voting Snake changed (initially you said it was because you dont like his play, then you said you were "just having fun"). And you still havent linked to the games you read of his that you mentioned.

Prana and Nexus, what is your opinion of Elmo?

[pidgey]

I think Sawyer is scummier, can you go and STFU.

Or am I not allowed to have 2 reads?

[Lance]

If they are a faction(in the actual kayfabe, WWE storylines) then they'll be given safeclaims if 1 or 2 of them die as members of the same faction, it'll become obvious who's left.

But this is mindless assumptions and should probably be dropped as it's not going to help.

Yes, you're absolutely right. I already admitted here that my "Scum = TNA" theory was probably no good. I have no intention of talking about it anymore after this. (Unless someone really does flip as a TNA wrestler, in which case I reserve every right to shout "I told you so!" and rub it in everyone's faces.)

But I was really hoping for an answer to my second question (which it looked like you ignored): How is he an easy target if I'm "going out of my way" to make him sound bad? It can only be one or the other. That contradictory reasoning is also making you come off like you just wanted to get on a wagon that had potential to take off.

I ignored the second question because it didn't look like it warranted a response. Pidgey may have been an easy target early on, but it's still possible to "go out of your way" to make an easy target look even worse. We're just debating over the way the phrase was worded here, which is why I didn't feel that a response was even necessary in the first place.

Otherwise I really didn't like Prana's willingness, or his reasons, to lynch a Vig, so he'll be getting my vote. But depending on Lances response to my question, he may quickly take Prana's place.

So you're saying that you're thinking of voting for me not because you think I'm Scum, but because I didn't give a satisfactory answer to a question that didn't need to be answered in the first place? You're adorable.