Mini 1349: Words with Scum (Game over!)

[Quilford]

I'm going to just give a small shout out to my Large Theme taking signups here: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=22907

>__>


:D

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Oh and I'll repost the votecount from the bottom of the last page because eww:

Game Board

Spoiler: PeregrineV's collect

PeregrineV collects tile K2...

Spoiler: Final Board & Activity Log

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Voidedmafia flipped tile D6, revealing a B.
MagnaofIllusion flipped tile E6, revealing a W.
PeregrineV flipped tile H3, revealing an M.
Amrun flipped tile D1, revealing a J.
AurorusVox took tile J6, collecting an unknown...
Amrun took tile H3, collecting an M.
Robocopter87 took tile F3, collecting an S.
Robocopter87 flipped tile K2, revealing an O.
PeregrineV took tile K2, collecting an O.

MagnaofIllusion has used his daily flip.
AurorusVox has used his daily collect.
Lady Lambdadelta has not used either her daily flip or collect.
PeregrineV has used his daily flip and collect.
Robocopter87 has used both his daily flip and collect.
whispersilk has not used either her daily flip or collect.
vijay2vasandani has not used either his daily flip or collect.
Amrun has used both her daily flip and collect.
Voidedmafia has used his daily flip.

--- DAY 2 ------------------------------------------------
Voidedmafia flipped tile A4, revealing a D.
AurorusVox flipped tile G6, revealing a W.
IceGuy flipped tile H6, revealing an O.
DLCXVI flipped tile B6, revealing an M.
MagnaofIllusion flipped tile B5, revealing an N.
vijay2vasandani flipped tile I4, revealing a G.
2minds1soul took tile I1, collecting an unknown...
Robocopter87 flipped tile F4, revealing an I. 
Lady Lambdadelta flipped tile D3, revealing an R.
Lady Lambdadelta took tile D3, collecting an R.
Robocopter87 took tile I5, collecting an unknown...
IceGuy took tile F4, collecting an I.
MagnaofIllusion took tile E1, collecting an unknown...
Voidedmafia took tile A4, collecting a D.
AurorusVox took tile I4, collecting a G.
whispersilk flipped tile B3, revealing an H.
DCLXVI took tile B6, collecting an M.
Amrun flipped tile F3, revealing an S.
vijay2vasandani took tile H6, collecting an O.
whispersilk took tile B4, collecting an unknown...
Amrun took tile B3, collecting an H.

--- DAY 1 ------------------------------------------------
MagnaofIllusion flipped tile E5, revealing an R.
Hoopla flipped tile K1, revealing a C.
Voidedmafia flipped tile K6, revealing an X.
Lady Lambdadelta flipped tile D4, revealing an N.
Lady Lambdadelta took tile D4, collecting an N.
Robocopter87 flipped tile J2, revealing a P.
Robocopter87 took tile J2, collecting a P.
IceGuy flipped tile A1, revealing a P.
vijay2vasandani flipped tile C4, revealing an R.
2minds1soul flipped tile H4, revealing a C.
AurorusVox flipped tile A6, revealing a T.
Amrun took tile A2, collecting an unknown...
DLCXVI flipped tile F6, revealing a D.
Amrun flipped tile B2, revealing a V.
Arugula flipped tile D2, revealing an M.
Hoopla took tile E5, collecting an R.
whispersilk flipped tile G2, revealing a Z.
AurorusVox took tile A1, collecting a P.
MagnaofIllusion took tile B2, collecting a V.
Voidedmafia took tile C4, collecting an R.
vijay2vasandani took tile K1, collecting a C.
whispersilk took tile D2, collecting an M.
2minds1soul took tile H4, collecting a C.
Arugula took tile C6, collecting an unknown...
DCLXVI took tile A6, collecting a T.
IceGuy took tile F6, collecting a D.

Day 3

Robocopter87

(2) PeregrineV, MagnaofIllusion

vijay2vasandani

(2) AurorusVox, Voidedmafia

MagnaofIllusion

(2) Lady Lambdadelta, Robocopter87

Lady Lambdadelta

(1) vijay2vasandani

whispersilk

(1) Amrun

Not Voting

(1) whispersilk

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline hits in (expired on 2012-08-06 04:51:15).

Friendly prods going out to anyone approaching or over the 2 day post limit. They're not official because activity overall is so low.

MoI has declared Limited Access during weekends.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Sorry >.>.

V/LA until Thursday

[MagnaofIllusion]

Yeah, good luck. Like I would frikkin reveal who I intend to give a greater amount of town powers to.

I'd like everyone to note this response. Peregrine asked for Robo to list a couple of players he found Town enough to SHARE his letters with. He didn't ask him to specify who he'd share with at Night. Scum can't kill everyone on the list so Robo's "I'm not telling you this" stands out as pure avoidance of locking himself into who he has to pass to.

AKA more evidence he's lying about collecting the S to SHARE.

Hang him!

[Amrun]

@AV

– You can have my vote for the moment. I was wrong about Ice and my ISO work doesn't make me certain that Robo is the clear choice over Vijay.

VOTE: Vijay

...

Lulz. This is the easy “Fake helpful” type of post that is easily thrown down by Scum. It doesn’t actually add any scum-hunting value but says “Oh look at how Townie I am”.

Are you one of Robo’s partners LLD? I know as scum you do tend to try to keep a low profile.

I hate this. You're abdicating responsibility of your vote because "you were wrong," and acting like that means you should doubt your Robo read, but then the rest of your play, even the rest of that POST, acts like you have decided Robo is scum. That's really scummy.

Also, since WHEN does LLD keep a low profile as scum? We just all played Team Mafia and LLD did the OPPOSITE of that.

@Amrun

- I'd like to have you weigh in on Peregrine's Post 1154 please.

I don't have an S, obviously, so his post doesn't make sense. I think he'd attempt to keep close track of everyone's letters as either alignment.

Flip: J6

I'd rather not be lynched today if possible. Thanks. Now case on me please.

VOTE: LLD

This post is unspeakably horrible. Why are you saying you don't want to be lynched and then asking for a case on yourself, while voting LLD while providing no case?!

Hey, you said the same thing to somebody else... hmm... lemme check.

Iceguy!

I'm sure Iceguy would be screaming for your death at this point.

Think probably Arugula (the Townie you mislynched) probably would be calling for your head. What's the point other then rhetoric? Oh that's right ... you don't have any.

That's OK. Keep your scummy, non-reason driven vote right on me. It will make my alignment crystal clear when you flip scum.

Especially in light of your other post where you claim not to trust your own reads, I don't like this post. I don't like Robo's quoted post here, either, but I don't think scum would just go take an S like that when everyone would know. He'll be under scrutiny now. Seems too counterintuitive for scum.

[vijay2vasandani]

Because I'm dying here Amrun. No but really, because God told me to.

Flip: J5

And yes Robo, I'd like it. I'd like it a lot. But really LLD is the way to go. For reals.

[vijay2vasandani]

Just look at the letters I got.

[Voidedmafia]

Vijay and 2minds have 1 piece for Cop, CPR, and WTC, and can possibly make CM, DC, and LC (aka "C")

Vijay has 1 piece for COP and PGO and can possibly make VO (aka "O").

I'd say, unless your starting letters were complete shit, you've got it good as either side. Why the hell are you complaining about them?

I think he'd (Peregrine) attempt to keep close track of everyone's letters as either alignment

Interesting. If that's true, then why should he balk at the fact that someone (aka me) is actively doing such a thing for him? I'd understand if he wants to do it by himself as well, but then wouldn't having someone to help double-check what he's got to insure he's correct be a GOOD thing?

[Amrun]

Yeah, actually. I don't understand that.

[Voidedmafia]

Yeah, actually. I don't understand that.

Of course, there IS his reasoning (that Hoopla brought up before him, in some incidental sense) of "scum do it too look active and helpful", but I think that MoI and I thrashed that yesterday, nevermind that doing such could be more of a personality/playstyle tell rather than any sort of town/scumtell (not that I have much basis in that, just that it's still a possibility). I do partially understand why he thought it may be scummy from WiH III, but as I said in one of my first few replies to that point, the fact that he himself as town did something similar in another game and that the person that Magua took over from in WiH was town (I think, can't quite remember for sure) completely nulls and invalidates his own point since it demonstrates that both town AND scum do it. (Of course, that's much less if the person from WiH was scum instead of town.)

Out of curiousity, what do you think about it? Doing what I've been doing?

[Amrun]

I think that it CAN be a situational scumtell, to be helpful, but I don't find what you're doing particularly scummy, and I think PV's application of this tell as someone who is very theory minded and likes to keep track of that sort of thing as town is strange and slightly scummy.

[vijay2vasandani]

What two letters did I get VM?

[Voidedmafia]

I think that it CAN be a situational scumtell, to be helpful, but I don't find what you're doing particularly scummy, and I think PV's application of this tell as someone who is very theory minded and likes to keep track of that sort of thing as town is strange and slightly scummy.

I suppose that's true, but I don't recall (or at least don't remember) any recent instance of doing this (obviously excluding this game) where doing such a tally was called scummy.

Vijay: Learn. To. Fucking. Read. I'm not going to lead you by the hand like a baby for something as easy as that.

[vijay2vasandani]

Okay. I think I see your issue. The last two sentences of 1179 are directly related to the next post.

[Voidedmafia]

Okay. I think I see your issue. The last two sentences of 1179 are directly related to the next post.

...Are you trying to breadcrumb or something?

[AurorusVox]

Wow Voided. Really?

Vote: LLD

LLD inno flip = lynch v2v.

Flip: B1

[Voidedmafia]

Wow Voided. Really?

I seriously have no fucking clue what the hell he's saying anymore. 'scuse me for sounding confused.

[Amrun]

Vote: LLD

[AurorusVox]

Voided for LLDbuddy#1.

[MagnaofIllusion]

@MOD – Where is Whispersilk?

I see what is being said between the lines …

VOTE: LLD

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I hate this. You're abdicating responsibility of your vote because "you were wrong," and acting like that means you should doubt your Robo read, but then the rest of your play, even the rest of that POST, acts like you have decided Robo is scum. That's really scummy.

Bullshit. If being wrong about a scum-read is scummy then Mafia is filled with so many scum it’s amazing.

And way to take parts of Post 1145 and try to present it as me being ‘sure’ of Robo scum when it doesn’t read as such at all. The second part you quoted was directed at LLD not Robo (who I was calling Faux Townie). I really dislike trying to attack me for being inconsistent when you take a quote I made to LLD (meant to gauge her reaction to Robo being called her partner) and try to say it is me calling Robo scum.

In fact the part of my quote you cropped questioned Robo about his S grab to see what he would say. His subsequent reaction to being asked about it (by myself and Peregrine) were scummy and certainly enough to push him over Vijay as scum.

Also, since WHEN does LLD keep a low profile as scum? We just all played Team Mafia and LLD did the OPPOSITE of that.

It’s a pain but read Vi’s Mafia Behind the Maiden that has finally ended. Please tell me that she didn’t basically coast and keep as low a profile as possible during long stretches of the game.

[whispersilk]

Ok, sorry. I've had real problems with my computer for several days and I've only just got back online. Just posting quickly in my current games so I don't get replaced.

Will catch up and post once I've assessed which game needs the most attention.

[Robocopter87]

Wow... Ummmm...

Gonna wait for everybody to pick up tiles and such and then I'll hammer.

I'm still really confused. It was an honest to god townread.

Also, it wasn't really that we were wrong about Ice. It was that MoI fought and fought for Ice's lynch caliming there was pretty much no alternative to him flipping scum. Like I said, he was too confident in his read.

[PeregrineV]

Wow... Ummmm...

Gonna wait for everybody to pick up tiles and such and then I'll hammer.

I'm still really confused. It was an honest to god townread.

Also, it wasn't really that we were wrong about Ice. It was that MoI fought and fought for Ice's lynch caliming there was pretty much no alternative to him flipping scum. Like I said, he was too confident in his read.

The only persons left to collect are LLD and MoI. You want to lynch LLD after she collects?

@MoI

- please collect if you are going to. I detect a hammer coming soon (hours).

[Lady Lambdadelta]

This is hilarious. Is scum really tryin to trade me one for one?

So, the scum team is Vijay/AV/MoI. Lynch these three and town shouldn't lose this game.

I would hammer myself here, but town should take their letters first.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh it's only MoI left?

Vote: LLD

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Remember. Vijay, then MoI then AV. This will give you almost assuredly the game. At least 2 If not 3 scum.

Think about it, I know I'm town. If vijay is lying why would he make this trade today?