Open 421-Pamplona II: Electric Bullgaloo! Game over

[Rainbowdash]

@JF - The fact that if there is a SK there is exactly one scum in the claimed roles (im discounting odds of three) and if there is no SK you are all town or exactly two scum is nothing? Its one of the following

1) SK in doctor claims, 2 mafia in doctor claims, 1 mafia in VT
2) SK in doctor claims, 3 mafia in VT
3) SK in VT claims, 1 mafia in doctor claims, 2 mafia in VT
4) 2 mafia in doctor claims, 1 mafia in VT
5) 3 mafia in VT

There is your setup. One of these. Its probably 2, 3 or 5, which is why we are lynching VT today.

[JohnnyFarrar]

So it tells us nothing until we kill some more people. Gotcha. Waiting on BK.

[drmyshotgun]

BK or RBD, people.

This is horrible. Horrible horrible horrible.

Cheers.

[UberNinja]

@JF - The fact that if there is a SK there is exactly one scum in the claimed roles (im discounting odds of three) and if there is no SK you are all town or exactly two scum is nothing? Its one of the following

1) SK in doctor claims, 2 mafia in doctor claims, 1 mafia in VT
2) SK in doctor claims, 3 mafia in VT
3) SK in VT claims, 1 mafia in doctor claims, 2 mafia in VT
4) 2 mafia in doctor claims, 1 mafia in VT
5) 3 mafia in VT

There is your setup. One of these. Its probably 2, 3 or 5, which is why we are lynching VT today.

Well done there Sherlock! NO SHIT we're lynching a VT today.

So where's your BK vote? Hmmmmm?

[BK201]

@JF - The fact that if there is a SK there is exactly one scum in the claimed roles (im discounting odds of three) and if there is no SK you are all town or exactly two scum is nothing? Its one of the following

1) SK in doctor claims, 2 mafia in doctor claims, 1 mafia in VT
2) SK in doctor claims, 3 mafia in VT
3) SK in VT claims, 1 mafia in doctor claims, 2 mafia in VT
4) 2 mafia in doctor claims, 1 mafia in VT
5) 3 mafia in VT

There is your setup. One of these. Its probably 2, 3 or 5, which is why we are lynching VT today.

This.

[BK201]

When I flip town, hang Uber. Or at least make him stfu.

[BK201]

There's really no winning against his yelling. I'm town, he's an idiot if he is also town. More likely scum.

[BK201]

BK or RBD, people.

This is horrible. Horrible horrible horrible.

Cheers.

I really hope you're scum and not this dumb.

[BK201]

Also a nice piece Uber said, "BK has done nothing pro-town all game". That's not true, but let me ask you, what the hell has Uber done?? He has NOTHING on me, so when I flip then what? Oh right, he'll just say "Darn I guess I can't be right all of the time! RBD is scum!"

Just watch.

[BK201]

You're saying its ok to sheep in the middle but not towards the end. Why?

Its all the same, when its not a hammer and when deadline isn't close.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p4167499

Here he tried to get in on the wagon real slick (cuz it was his scumbuddy) and was made to apologize for not announcing L-1

But in this game we're in right now, he's like L-1 guys woop woop L-1 alert! which means bitmap is even more obvtown

BK doing the bold + big text on the L-1 warning is also lulz

And his attitude towards me is exactly the same as it was the last two times I got him lynched and he was scum

LOLOL

1. I often bold L-1, so whats your point? Here are several links.
Open 404, Town
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p4151388
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p4164502

Open 399, Town
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p4038911

2. WE'VE ONLY PLAYED TWO TIMES. You're wording "the last two times I got him lynched and he was scum" makes it sound like you have some experience with me as town. One of those times you were on the other scum team, and probably didn't believe it much. The 2nd time you, you had a good game, but its not like I had many options considering what I replaced into. What else you got??

If "massclaim works wonders", then why in your post 716 were you like "after we claim we can move on and maybe catch scum from all this"

That doesn't sound like somebody who's excited as fuck to get everyone to claim so we can break the game YAY!

That sounds like scum who's excited to get all the PRs to claim (ohhh we're claiming TIERS not ROLES just so everyone will be SAFE!!! WINK WINK WINK) so you can kill them off while at the same time being like "its for the good of the game" and MAYBE we can catch scum from this because herp derp we're FUCKING MASSCLAIMING ON DAY 1 LIKE A BUNCH OF FUCKING IDIOTS


tl;dr: you don't sound like you're at all convinced of the effectiveness of a massclaim. if it was such a good idea, it should GUARANTEE a scum lynch. and if it DOESN'T guarantee a scum lynch, it SHOULDN'T FUCKING HAPPEN YET, DUH

yet you wanted one anyway, and you keep singing its praises. why?

and if you've "done more scumhunting than anypony else in the game" then why the fuck don't we have a wagon on scum you illiterate hypocrite? because scum is fucking slow-rolling this town like a bunch of artards and everyone who should have the balls enough to say something is either lurking or just doesn't have the balls period.

well now that i'm done lurking, here i am baby, and a) that massclaim was bullshit, b) if you can show me 1 pro-town thing bk has done I will give you a massive amount of brownie points and then demand that you vote for him anyway because he is scum and you're an idiot if you think otherwise, and c) can we have some moar vote counts plz NS? <3

p.s. i claimed VT because the massclaim was bullshit, not necessarily cause i'm actually a VT.

so put that in your pipe and smoke it

Bolded the scummy bs. He could have easily claimed a PR if it would help his cause with the way he claimed VT.

[DLG]

Did you read my posts about BK?

Yes. I can see where you're coming from, but answer me this question.

What was the impact of BK201's L-1 vote on Bitmap?

I want this answered, UberNinja.

Also, why did you ignore this at the end of Day 1?

DJD wouldn't have hid behind

anyone

.
He wouldn't have used Random.org to choose his hiding target.
He would have done something useful to Town.
He would have hid behind RBD to give us a great asset.
Confirmed Town that has skills and brains to match his status.
Plenty of Docs, so confirming RBD would have done so much for us.
RBD is an ideal Hiding target. VERY IDEAL.

This looks like a theory to support a conclusion you want to be true, as opposed to evidence that points to a conclusion. I mean,

you

were part of the inte lynch weren't you? It's like you want to blame Rainbowdash for something you were involved in turning out bad.

If we were looking for alternatives to believing DoubleJD used Random.org to choose his target, why not go with this?

I like the hypo hide thing, and am further placing u

(Rainbowdash)

in my town camp. Cover for hiders is awesome, and all u other people should do it too. If im a hider, ill hide behind Greywing.

That would implicate Greywing, correct?

or

My main argument for bk came after i voted him. Beforehand i was just getting him to talk. He responds to the vote the same day, after being absent for 2days, and immediately votes bitmap to put him at L-1 one. He does this for pressure reasons, becasue bitmap wasnt already flailing about and responding to every post about him. He liked the response of two one liner posts enough to completely change his opinion on him and unvote just 2 hours later. The unvote itself was after several posts of "woah wtf bk" by inte, greywing, and shotty. He wasnt prepared to defend the vote, because i think he didnt have a reason at all, and backed off.

That would implicate BK201, correct?

inte had confrontations with both Greywing and BK201. Seems like DoubleJD might have intentionally chosen either of them to hide behind if he chagned his mind. Why not offer those as alternatives to believing DoubleJD simply did what he said and used Random.org?

My point is that either of those

could

explain DoubleJD's possible actions at least as well as your Rainbowdash theory. That doesn't make them true. I don't see any reason to believe anything other than DoubleJD did what he last said he'd do.

Do you have any other reason to believe Rainbowdash is scum? Thing is, I've got her in my Town reads pile along with you. If I'm wrong about her, show me where and how.

I also found it odd that DLG took his vote off me while the wagon was at its peak that day. It's something we should look into.

I'm back, and have had a once through on things since I left.

Too much to digest at once. I'll read it again and try to sort out the wheat from the chaff.

A couple of impressions is that Bitmap is trying to do some scumhunting while under duress. That's generally a strong Town indication, for me.

UNVOTE: Bitmap

Welp, except for the fact that your wagon wasn't at it's peak and that I thought I had good reason to remove my vote from you, this is a great thing to look into.

I give up on trying to read you. You're unimaginably scummy, with a dose of ultra-Town thrown in for spice. Under different circumstances I'd be willing to do most anything to get you lynched. Not an option for this Day. But, understand, if future information indicates you are likely scum, you will die.

VOTE: BK201

Among the VT claims, this is where I'm most uncomfortable. I do not believe that BK201 would have found inte scummy if inte hadn't pounced on BK201 over the Bitmap L-1 vote. I also really distrust attacks that are geared around Player X is unlikeable, let's get 'em. I believe the vote to replace thing was a cornerstone of that approach. It was an interim position that protected BK201 from having to offer a real opinion of inte's slot.

[BK201]

^ Uh hello. I didn't even vote Inte.

I was still deciding whether or not his story was bs.

I did confront him with how it looked like he wasn't THINKING like a tracker though. His play was legitimately shitty.

[Nobody Special]

Votecount 2.02

BK201 - 3 - UberNinja, Bitmap, DLG
Rainbowdash - 2 - drmyshotgun, JohnnyFarrar
Bitmap - 1 - Greywing
UberNinja - 1 - BK201

Not Voting: Rainbowdash, RachMarie, Near

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2012-08-20 01:16:26)

[DLG]

^ Uh hello. I didn't even vote Inte.

I was still deciding whether or not his story was bs.

I did confront him with how it looked like he wasn't THINKING like a tracker though. His play was legitimately shitty.

I'm confused. I'm talking about the early fight between you and inte. You most certainly did vote for him, then. For what appeared to me to be because he wouldn't relent on you.

Later in the Day, I agree you weren't on his lynch. Which causes me even more concern that you were willing to harrass him, but wanted to avoid actually being on his lynch wagon.

What was the reason you weren't actually voting for him? Did you think his botched claim made him likely scum, at that time? Or, did you just think it was shitty play from a Townie?

[BK201]

^ Uh hello. I didn't even vote Inte.

I was still deciding whether or not his story was bs.

I did confront him with how it looked like he wasn't THINKING like a tracker though. His play was legitimately shitty.

I'm confused. I'm talking about the early fight between you and inte. You most certainly did vote for him, then. For what appeared to me to be because he wouldn't relent on you.

Later in the Day, I agree you weren't on his lynch. Which causes me even more concern that you were willing to harrass him, but wanted to avoid actually being on his lynch wagon.

What was the reason you weren't actually voting for him?

"I was still deciding whether or not his story was bs."

Did you think his botched claim made him likely scum, at that time? Or, did you just think it was shitty play from a Townie?

Like I said I was trying to figure that out.

[Rainbowdash]

More likely scum.

Why

[BK201]

Cus this is how Uber plays. Tunnel on a "bad" player and when I flip say "Wow that was the first time I was wrong about BK" (again only 2 games played with him, but he'd talk it up). He already knew drm and bitmap would sheep him b/c of open 408, its easy.

[UberNinja]

Also a nice piece Uber said, "BK has done nothing pro-town all game". That's not true, but let me ask you, what the hell has Uber done?? He has NOTHING on me, so when I flip then what? Oh right, he'll just say "Darn I guess I can't be right all of the time! RBD is scum!"

Just watch.

So you think RBD is scum then, yes?

[BK201]

Also a nice piece Uber said, "BK has done nothing pro-town all game". That's not true, but let me ask you, what the hell has Uber done?? He has NOTHING on me, so when I flip then what? Oh right, he'll just say "Darn I guess I can't be right all of the time! RBD is scum!"

Just watch.

So you think RBD is scum then, yes?

Exactly how did you gather that? I've basically been saying RBD is town in every other post.

[BK201]

I'm saying your scumbum will say that line and move onto RBD like nothing happened.

[RachMarie]

Fact of the matter is BK he was right in 408, and has a fairly good track record of being right in a number of other games I have been in with him. N 1249 now is over and well he guessed the scum team early on D 1 and was completely right.

So do you have an actual case of scummy behavior in this game? Or just a case of confirmation bias? (Keeing in mind that both of those games he was town and I know for a fact in one you were scum because I too was in Open 408).

[Bitmap]

>Follow RBD in this game
>3 PRs die

>Follow UberNinja in Open 408
>Every scum member gets lynched in the first 3 days

I'm sorry but I like UberNinja's track record. RBD's plan might work still because we got lucky and picked out so many PRs.

[UberNinja]

Did you read my posts about BK?

Yes. I can see where you're coming from, but answer me this question.

What was the impact of BK201's L-1 vote on Bitmap?

I want this answered, UberNinja.

Reactions. Bitmap and Greywing, specifically.

Also, why did you ignore this at the end of Day 1?

If it was posted between my final post and inte's lynch, it was because I was not around.

[UberNinja]

Actually reading RBD and BK's interactions on this page have made me think BK's town against all odds including sanity.

Vote: DLG

[BK201]

Where will you be after my flip??? Tell me.
Just imagine I flip town for a moment.
Where will you be?
Think about why I'm scum.
Will Uber be town?
What does my flip mean?