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Post Post #750 (ISO) » Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:19 am

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Vote Count 3.5 - As of post 750

Greenknight (1) - CryMeARiver
Acosmist (3) - T-Bone, triangle123, Zang
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The Current deadline is August 6, 2012 at 4:00pm EDT. Countdown is (expired on 2012-08-06 16:00:00).

With 8 active votes - 5 are required to lynch.

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Post Post #751 (ISO) » Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:45 am

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Starbuck wrote:I definitely agree with the bead on Acosmist, but I will hold my vote for now because I want to go back and read him over.

Starbuck, what was the result of the readover on Acosmist?

Inquiring minds want to know.
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Post Post #752 (ISO) » Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:47 am

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Also, for reference, my town list is as follows:

Zang - so many town tells it's not even funny
Greenknight - great interactions with Tierce, match his interactions with me. Just very natural and fluid. Hammer on Jason felt accurate to town forced to hammer at end-of-day.
CMAR - contingent on him dying, he can be town.

The rest is a big pile of stuff that's up in the air.
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Post Post #753 (ISO) » Tue Jul 31, 2012 10:58 am

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GreyICE wrote:
Starbuck wrote:I definitely agree with the bead on Acosmist, but I will hold my vote for now because I want to go back and read him over.

Starbuck, what was the result of the readover on Acosmist?

Inquiring minds want to know.



At the beginning of Day 1, Acosmist seemed more concerned about how other people should be handling things than giving his own opinion. Seriously from page 1 to the bottom of page 6 #141, he doesn't react at all. He posts enough to get by, but not add anything of his own opinion to the conversation.

Acosmist never once gave an opinion one way or the other on your claim. He seemed like he was sitting back and waiting for something to pounce on. Like my question to you about why you found me scummy on day one. It's like Acosmist was looking to spread some negativity around to make himself look better. I wasn't flipping out about you calling me scum (like greenknight was doing). I just asked what the deal was.

In 194, he says that both Jason and green are scum. He voted green out the gate at the start of the game. T-Bone makes a really good point in his 127 about Acosmist not doing anything to support his vote. I fully agree. He rode that RVS vote for FOURTEEN PAGES before finally unvoting green in favor for T-Bone.

That vote confused me because in Acosmist's reply to triangle in 286. Acosmist rides that "fence-sitting" train that Tierce started, but never once voted Jason or even read back over Jason to see that Jason did give a definitive answer. Instead, it's like he's trying to back up Tierce and still distance himself from that lynch because he knew Jason would flip town.

He then disappeared for the rest of the day, and contributed nothing towards everything going on with Tierce.

I don't see this being town play.

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Post Post #754 (ISO) » Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:24 pm

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Starbuck wrote:Admitting that you have a town read and then voting that town read is hypocritical! Why don't you see this?


I don't see it because you're oversimplifying the situation! We were riding close to a deadline and I basically had to choose between two wagons, Tierce and Jason. As I've said, it's true that Jason was a town read of mine and I didn't yet know what to make of Tierce. But Tierce had just claimed she was a power role, and I didn't want to take the chance near the end of Day 1 that we'd get a PR lynched. I wanted to wait for her to give us that catch-up post she'd promised, and I had figured that there would be plenty of time Day 2 to figure out if she's scum or town. I decided lynching a VT was preferable to lynching a PR or having a no-lynch.
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Post Post #755 (ISO) » Tue Jul 31, 2012 6:48 pm

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If you and greenknight had each voted for Tierce, we could have had a lynch on her. Instead you both went with Jason.

Tierce was claiming a PR to do just that. To make you unsure of voting her and either you fell for it or you already knew what she was. I'm leaning with the latter.
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Post Post #756 (ISO) » Wed Aug 01, 2012 12:50 am

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Starbuck wrote:If you
and greenknight
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... seriously?
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Post Post #757 (ISO) » Wed Aug 01, 2012 1:25 am

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Well, of course it's not like I believed her claim 100% by any means. But I'd been waiting for her to catch up with the game so I could form an opinion on her alignment, she'd claimed PR, and deadline was riding close. Lynching claimed PRs is not something I think should be taken lightly, and so I definitely wanted to wait until I actually had an opinion about her before jumping on her wagon.
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Post Post #758 (ISO) » Wed Aug 01, 2012 4:56 am

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greenknight wrote:
Starbuck wrote:If you
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had each voted for Tierce, we could have had a lynch on her. Instead you both went with Jason.


... seriously?


Seriously, we would have been tied with the lynch and just needed a hammer on one or the other.

Now, I get what you did, greenknight. You wanted a lynch even if it wasn't going to get us anywhere and give us very little information.

Luckily, Iec took a shot at Tierce and killed her for us because we know that scum didn't kill scum.
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Post Post #759 (ISO) » Wed Aug 01, 2012 4:57 am

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Now, this is going in my head and has since kortul died. If kortul hid behind Iec, like everyone believes, then would scum have to choose between another action (i.e. roleblocking) and killing? Because, technically, if kortul hid behind Iec and died because of it, there should be a third kill on Day 1 from the scum. I find it hard to believe that they wouldn't shoot if they have the means to. That's why I believe that kortul didn't hide behind Iec and hid behind me but I was commuted so he got the shot that was meant for me.
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Post Post #760 (ISO) » Wed Aug 01, 2012 4:58 am

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triangle123 wrote:Well, of course it's not like I believed her claim 100% by any means. But I'd been waiting for her to catch up with the game so I could form an opinion on her alignment, she'd claimed PR, and deadline was riding close. Lynching claimed PRs is not something I think should be taken lightly, and so I definitely wanted to wait until I actually had an opinion about her before jumping on her wagon.


But she had stated herself that she lurks as scum. She outed herself. You had no opinion on that? And instead turned around to defend her. Do you realize how scummy that is?
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Post Post #761 (ISO) » Wed Aug 01, 2012 5:02 am

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I'm starting to wonder about a possibly GreyIce-Tierce-greenknight team.

The goings-on back and forth between Grey and Tierce could work on distancing the two of them from each other, as well as both of their interactions with Green. Not to mention how quick that Grey and green reached to discredit me when I revealed that I was a commuter. Given my above theory, I think I may have just nailed it.

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Post Post #762 (ISO) » Wed Aug 01, 2012 7:03 am

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More nonsense from starbuck:

1) I did vote for tierce until just before the deadline

2) There's a perfectly good explanation for N1 already: Kortul hid behind Iec like he breadcrumbed, and scum tried to shoot one of them (probably Kortul.) Yet starbuck's still trying to squeeze towncred out of that commuter claim...

3) Apparently me defending or agreeing with anyone means I'm scum with them? First it's T-bone, then triangle, now greyice?
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Post Post #763 (ISO) » Wed Aug 01, 2012 7:42 am

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Starbuck, you're all over the place. (You also messed up your votes again) I don't see the thought progression of your new scumteam conclusion. I don't see what is inherently wrong with Triangle being scarred of by a PR claim, because town can be scared by it just as much as scum can pretend to be scared by it. I don't see how GK is scum at all.

Most importantly to me, I don't know why you're avoiding the Acomist vote. You have said he could be scum, you ignored him at L-1, you've just said he's playing like scum now, but suddenly you're jumping to Greyice? Again I don't see the thought progression there because that just came out of the blue. But back to Acomist, it seems like you're calling him scum, just so if we do lynch him you can go "good, he was my 2nd or 3rd scumread." But you're not calling him scum enough to put him at L-1 again. Plus, he was at L-1 before, you could have hammered him if you thought him to be scum. That to me, is the definition of fake bussing.

The commuter claim makes sense to me if you as scum, targeted Kortul and had an "oh shit how did we kill the hider moment?"

Where are you going with all this jumping around?
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Post Post #764 (ISO) » Wed Aug 01, 2012 7:53 am

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Starbuck is going everywhere...GreyICE really? Oh yeah, T-BONE just kinda said it.
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Post Post #765 (ISO) » Wed Aug 01, 2012 7:58 am

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She said a GK-GreyIce team, and you're voting GK. You don't have a thought on that? Considering you just said you also feel she's all over the place?
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Post Post #766 (ISO) » Wed Aug 01, 2012 8:02 am

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I just like to take every possibility into consideration, and was hoping to see what GreyIce's reaction would be. Thanks for ruining that.
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Post Post #767 (ISO) » Wed Aug 01, 2012 8:23 am

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Vote: T-bone


Is it counterintuitive? Yeah

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Post Post #768 (ISO) » Wed Aug 01, 2012 12:04 pm

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GreyICE wrote:
Vote: T-bone


Is it counterintuitive? Yeah

But he's scum.


^legit vote

Waiting for Starbuck to vote me given that she said I'm scum. Unless the team is now greenknight-Grey-Tierce. Then nm I guess. But then what happened to that case on me?

And T-Bone continues not to justify his vote. OK then.
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Post Post #769 (ISO) » Wed Aug 01, 2012 12:05 pm

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Starbuck wrote:I just like to take every possibility into consideration, and was hoping to see what GreyIce's reaction would be. Thanks for ruining that.


So...when someone is reaction trolling, a person shouldn't interfere?
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Post Post #770 (ISO) » Wed Aug 01, 2012 1:19 pm

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I still want a starbuck or acosmist lynch at this point
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Post Post #771 (ISO) » Wed Aug 01, 2012 1:50 pm

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greenknight wrote:I still want a starbuck or acosmist lynch at this point

Starbuck is legit, but read over T-Bone's ISO.

Don't you get that sticky feeling in the back of your throat that says 'ohhhhh god he's not town at all and I don't know why and I need to put my finger on it but yeah?'

I mean tell me it's not just me, he's just... dead. Not like 'I don't know what's going on' dead, just 'I have no soul but I must post' dead.
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Post Post #772 (ISO) » Wed Aug 01, 2012 3:02 pm

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I HAVE NO SOUL!

Ahem.

I don't know what you want for me. I've made my case. I'm not gonna beg or negotiate for votes. Now I've got Acomist going "so when you gonna justify your vote lol"? I guess he has my posts set to ignore or something, or when he sees my username he just skips over them. Greyice, so what's your take on Acomist being quite a few player's 2nd or 3rd read? Just on this page both Starbuck and GK expressed that they think Acomist is scum. Those two could make the lynch happen. So could CMAR, as he had his vote there earlier. I think he should be today's lynch. It hasn't happened despite having enough votes throughout the day and that bothers me greatly. I think a townie who has 6 players who consider them scum to some degree would have been lynched by now. What about Acomist play makes him town in your eyes?

I don't know how I ruined anything Starbuck. You could have just waited for Greyice if you wanted his reaction. He might have reacted whether you got called for your jumping all over the place or not. I don't know, I'm not him, but neither are you. I don't know why you gave up on this supposed 'reaction test'. That strikes me as incredibly odd.
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Post Post #773 (ISO) » Wed Aug 01, 2012 3:05 pm

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I love how Greenknight still wants me dead.

Dude, do you have any other scumreads? You've been going on me since Day 1. Maybe I should feel honored with a 3-day tunnel.
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Post Post #774 (ISO) » Thu Aug 02, 2012 12:03 am

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GreyICE wrote:
greenknight wrote:I still want a starbuck or acosmist lynch at this point

Starbuck is legit, but read over T-Bone's ISO.

Don't you get that sticky feeling in the back of your throat that says 'ohhhhh god he's not town at all and I don't know why and I need to put my finger on it but yeah?'

I mean tell me it's not just me, he's just... dead. Not like 'I don't know what's going on' dead, just 'I have no soul but I must post' dead.


That's exactly the feeling I got from tierce... not getting it from T-bone though after rereading, his comments on unfolding events look natural enough, vs acosmist who looks to be trying to appear aggressive while actually doing very little.
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