Judge, Jury, and Executioner - Over

[IceGuy]

Vote Count

Nocmen (7): Thor665, Teleporting Speed Hippos, Arugula, Knight of Cydonia, vijay2vasandani, Mastermind of Sin, Arugula

TheShadow (6): Axelrod, Gooner, Gooner, Axelrod, Nero Cain, Sir Bastion
Sir Bastion (4): Teleporting Speed Hippos, Gooner, Scott Brosius, DCLXVI
guille2015 (4): Scott Brosius, Scott Brosius, Nocmen, Nocmen
Quilford (4): Sir Bastion, Sir Bastion, Mastermind of Sin, Mastermind of Sin
Axelrod (4): StrangerCoug, StrangerCoug, TheShadow, TheShadow
DoomYoshi (3): guille2015, DCLXVI, DCLXVI
vijay2vasandani (1): guille2015
Nero Cain (1): whispersilk
DCLXVI (1): whispersilk
Knight of Cydonia (1): Thor665
Teleporting Speed Hippos (1): Nocmen

5

votes are currently not on a player.

Arugula (11): Quilford, vijay2vasandani, vijay2vasandani, Thor665, Teleporting Speed Hippos, Teleporting Speed Hippos, DoomYoshi, Ser Panda, Nero Cain, Nero Cain, TheShadow
Thor665 (11): Ser Panda, Ser Panda, Knight of Cydonia, Knight of Cydonia, Quilford, Quilford, DoomYoshi, DoomYoshi, whispersilk, Arugula, WrathChild

Every player has

3

votes.
With

21

alive, it's

11

to hammer.
There are

63

votes in play,

22

of which are frozen, leaving

41

votes active.

Deadline is August 11th, 3 a.m. CEST.

[guille2015]

Axelrod's claim is consistent with his ISO. He even hints in #414 that the executioner should reveal. This is, in retrospect, because he can catch a liar due to this. My only problem with Him is that he went after shadow early for his vote on Arugula, when Arugula is not the most liked player at the moment. He could have concocted this plan after Shadow claimed.

I doubt that there are two powers like this, at least they sound similar. The problem is that there is no way to proof that they both are not scum, unless they cause the lynch of scum. For the time being, I think that we should keep them alive both, until they prove themselves by finding liars.

[Quilford]

Hnnnnng, I will not be replaced.

I suspect my lack of activity is based on not having any votes free.

[Quilford]

Also that this game is generally suxxorz.

[guille2015]

Rereading Wraithchild, I get a null read on him, leaning town.

Gooner:
#68: I disagree with shadow's comment on the judge claiming being fence sitting. I consider it Null.
#91: The judge should execute at his own discretion whether he claims or not. The reason is that mafia would send him a town player to get executed. The judge has to deal with WIFOM regardless, so that's a moot point.
Not much else I can get from his ISO.

I got nothing from Quilford's ISO. He seems to want to contribute. So I think this is a nice place as any to place my lonely vote.

VOTE: Quilford

You placed votes on Thor and the reason seemed like you found something, yet you did not elaborate. Can you elaborate now? Also, can you elaborate on what you think of the current wagons. If you had one additional vote, who would you vote for now, and why.

[Quilford]

Hi, guille!

I voted Thor for Post #99.

I do not think anything of the current wagons because I have no knowledge of the basis on which they have formed. I'll look into that.

[Nocmen]

#467: Did your opinion change on Shadow? Can you elaborate?

Yes, because I had a large misinterpretation on how the executioner worked in this game.

#592: T Now, why does #120 make Gooner town? I don't see it.

Post 120:

SerPanda-Thor: SerPanda makes a decent enough case that Thor's vote wasn't random because there was some reasoning behind it and he kept it there so it probably isn't random.

Now, should I vote for him over Sir Bastion?

I lean no. Thor's at least making some attempt to engage with people which Sir Bastion is not doing.

Now, onto my prime suspect who is still The Shadow. He fence sat on the Judge claims saying that "He should claim. But he shouldn't claim unless he's getting lynched.". Classic fence-sitting without actually giving an opinion so that he can follow the momentum of the town no matter which way it goes. Now that's not too bad in and of itself.

Since then he has made no attempt to explain his earlier comment and has instead done very little and waited for the momentum on him to dwindle, which it has. The fact that the momentum on him has dwindled has made me even more suspicious of him.

There is good scumhunting going on, and makes a very good push on shadow's wagon. It's a type of push I've rarely seen from scum.

Axelrod's claim is consistent with his ISO. He even hints in #414 that the executioner should reveal. This is, in retrospect, because he can catch a liar due to this. My only problem with Him is that he went after shadow early for his vote on Arugula, when Arugula is not the most liked player at the moment.

He could have concocted this plan after Shadow claimed.

I doubt that there are two powers like this, at least they sound similar. The problem is that there is no way to proof that they both are not scum, unless they cause the lynch of scum. For the time being, I think that we should keep them alive both, until they prove themselves by finding liars.

bold for emphasis. That's the key takeaway here. If you truely doubt that they are both telling the truth about their roles, why do you think a wagon like Quilford is better for the final lynch today?

[guille2015]

Hi, guille!

I voted Thor for Post #99.

I do not think anything of the current wagons because I have no knowledge of the basis on which they have formed. I'll look into that.

I see no contradiction as Panda suggests.

[guille2015]

Axelrod's claim is consistent with his ISO. He even hints in #414 that the executioner should reveal. This is, in retrospect, because he can catch a liar due to this. My only problem with Him is that he went after shadow early for his vote on Arugula, when Arugula is not the most liked player at the moment.

He could have concocted this plan after Shadow claimed.

I doubt that there are two powers like this, at least they sound similar. The problem is that there is no way to proof that they both are not scum, unless they cause the lynch of scum. For the time being, I think that we should keep them alive both, until they prove themselves by finding liars.

bold for emphasis. That's the key takeaway here. If you truely doubt that they are both telling the truth about their roles, why do you think a wagon like Quilford is better for the final lynch today?

I might have misstated. The bolded part is a contingency for my argument. Since he hinted at his power after Shadow claimed, I can understand that it could have been a plan from mafia. But I really doubt that that is the case. I rather assume that Axelrod is telling the truth at this point.
The reason I do not think either of them should be lynched is because I have no way of distinguishing at this moment who is telling the truth. I suspect that at least one of them if not both are tell the truth. Whatever it is, my suggested action is to leave them alive for a while.

[DCLXVI]

Axelrods' claim is puzzling, but not impossible.

Shadow's role = weak tracker (if shadow is town)

given we have 21 players it isn't improbable that we have a stronger investigation role as well. So theoretically they could both be town.

However, I can't imagine that scum would just pop in and say "here I am." So I'm fairly confidant that he is town.

But shadow is still scum so his death and flip will probably end this discussion

[Mastermind of Sin]

Disagree.

[DCLXVI]

Thanks for your wonderful contribution to the thread.

[Mastermind of Sin]

You're welcome.

[Thor665]

The Axle votes at this stage are pretty silly regardless.

Let's lynch Yoshi or Nocmen.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Or Quilford.

[TheShadow]

Agreed.

UNVOTE: Axelrod
UNVOTE: Axelrod

VOTE: DoomYoshi
VOTE: Nocmen

[Thor665]

Or Quilford.

I'm not against a Quilford wagon.

[Quilford]

I am!

[Thor665]

I don't see why, Quilford has functionally been useless (and in my opinion - anti-town/pro-scum) all day.
You could always try to change my mind by becoming remotely helpful in any way whatsoever, I suppose - I could be swayed by that.
A nice first step might be going and reading enough of the game to at least fake opinions on the main wagons. That would titillate me.

[Quilford]

Ho ho.

Thor really is scum.

[Thor665]

Yeah, it is part of my scum meta to demand opinions out of people - that is true.

[vijay2vasandani]

Quilford lives. Nocmen or the person who was voting can die with Thor and Arugula. not much else to say, thats pretty solid.

[IceGuy]

Vote Count

Nocmen (8): Thor665, Teleporting Speed Hippos, Arugula, Knight of Cydonia, vijay2vasandani, Mastermind of Sin, Arugula, TheShadow

TheShadow (6): Axelrod, Gooner, Gooner, Axelrod, Nero Cain, Sir Bastion
Quilford (5): Sir Bastion, Sir Bastion, Mastermind of Sin, Mastermind of Sin, guille2015
Sir Bastion (4): Teleporting Speed Hippos, Gooner, Scott Brosius, DCLXVI
guille2015 (4): Scott Brosius, Scott Brosius, Nocmen, Nocmen
DoomYoshi (4): guille2015, DCLXVI, DCLXVI, TheShadow
Axelrod (2): StrangerCoug, StrangerCoug
vijay2vasandani (1): guille2015
Nero Cain (1): whispersilk
DCLXVI (1): whispersilk
Knight of Cydonia (1): Thor665
Teleporting Speed Hippos (1): Nocmen

4

votes are currently not on a player.

Arugula (11): Quilford, vijay2vasandani, vijay2vasandani, Thor665, Teleporting Speed Hippos, Teleporting Speed Hippos, DoomYoshi, Ser Panda, Nero Cain, Nero Cain, TheShadow
Thor665 (11): Ser Panda, Ser Panda, Knight of Cydonia, Knight of Cydonia, Quilford, Quilford, DoomYoshi, DoomYoshi, whispersilk, Arugula, WrathChild

Every player has

3

votes.
With

21

alive, it's

11

to hammer.
There are

63

votes in play,

22

of which are frozen, leaving

41

votes active.

Deadline is August 11th, 3 a.m. CEST.

Gooner has been prodded.

[Quilford]

I don't see why, Quilford has functionally been useless (and in my opinion - anti-town/pro-scum) all day.
You could always try to change my mind by becoming remotely helpful in any way whatsoever, I suppose - I could be swayed by that.
A nice first step might be going and reading enough of the game to at least fake opinions on the main wagons. That would titillate me.

You don't ever say I'm scum in this post, but you're apparently up for lynching me? I don't think so.

[guille2015]

Ho ho.

Thor really is scum.

I don't see this.