Mini 1348- Dragon Ball Z: Saiyan Saga Mafia (Game Over)

[PeregrineV]

I think the scum team is PV and Toro. Could be PV and Syndrome, but I'm pretty sure on PV.

Why could it be me?

You should vote Syndrome if you think it's him.

And why not Johnny? You've seen all of our reasons, why not refute any of them if you disagree?

[PeregrineV]

@BK- You'll understand if I ignore your super secret town tell. You're even welcome to try and explain it. But if it's not better than Glork's (which didn't convince me), I wouldn't be taking him off the table.

You seem to be under the delusion there is any chance you can get a mislynch on me. You probably should readjust that expectation.

Not sure if you know this, but every game we've played together we've both been town all the time. Yet, you always suspect me, and I always suspect you.

Can you link to your last 5 scum games? The wiki seems to be out of date.

[BK201]

Votecount 1.19

dicknose - 1 (mcqueen)
Slandaar - 2 (dicknose, Agent_Ireland)
Yates - 4 (Slandaar, Benmage, Acosmist, iDanyboy)
Acosmist - 1 (Thor665)
Agent_Ireland - 3 (snifit, PeregrineV, BK201)

Not voting - (JohnnyFarrar,

Yates

)

mcqueen replaces MattP effective immediately.

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is 1 AM EST on July 5, 2012.

Votecount 1.20

Slandaar - 1 (dicknose)
Yates - 5 (Slandaar, Benmage, Acosmist, iDanyboy, Agent_Ireland)
Acosmist - 4 (Thor665, mcqueen, snifit, Yates)
Agent_Ireland - 2 (PeregrineV, BK201)

Not voting - (JohnnyFarrar)

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is 1 AM EST on July 8, 2012.

I will have to go back and see why snifit voted Acosmist.

Votecount 1.23

Slandaar - 1 (dicknose)
Yates - 5 (Slandaar, Benmage, Acosmist, iDanyboy, Agent_Ireland)
Acosmist - 2 (Thor665, mcqueen)
Agent_Ireland - 2 (snifit, JohnnyFarrar)
snifit - 2 (BK201, PeregrineV)
iDanyboy - 1 (Yates)

Not voting - ()

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is 1 AM EST on July 8, 2012.

Yates switches to iDanny, and iDanny voted Yates when he could have voted Acosmist I guess.

Votecount 1.24

Yates - 5 (Slandaar, Benmage, Acosmist, iDanyboy, Agent_Ireland)
Acosmist - 1 (mcqueen)
Agent_Ireland - 2 (snifit, JohnnyFarrar)
snifit - 2 (BK201, PeregrineV)
iDanyboy - 2 (Yates, Thor665)

Not voting - (MagnaofIllusion)

PeregrineV is V/LA until Tuesday.

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is 1 AM EST on July 11, 2012.

Votecount 1.25

Yates - 5 (Slandaar, Benmage, iDanyboy, Agent_Ireland, MagnaofIllusion)
Acosmist - 1 (mcqueen)
Agent_Ireland - 2 (snifit, JohnnyFarrar)
snifit - 2 (BK201, PeregrineV)
iDanyboy - 2 (Yates, Thor665)

Not voting - (Acosmist)

PeregrineV is V/LA until Tuesday.

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is 1 AM EST on July 11, 2012.

Votecount 1.26

Yates - 5 (Slandaar, Benmage, syndromeofadown, Agent_Ireland, MagnaofIllusion)
Acosmist - 1 (mcqueen)
Agent_Ireland - 2 (snifit, JohnnyFarrar)
snifit - 2 (BK201, PeregrineV)
syndromeofadown - 1 (Thor665)
Benmage - 1 (Yates)

Not voting - (Acosmist)

PeregrineV is V/LA until Tuesday.

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is 1 AM EST on July 11, 2012.

Yates gives up on the not-forming Danny wagon and votes Benmage.

Votecount 1.27

Yates - 5 (

Slandaar, Benmage

, Agent_Ireland, MagnaofIllusion,

Acosmist

)
Acosmist - 1 (mcqueen)
Agent_Ireland - 1 (snifit)
snifit - 2 (BK201, PeregrineV)
Benmage - 4 (

Yates

,

Thor665

, syndromeofadown, JohnnyFarrar)

Not voting - ()

PeregrineV is V/LA until Tuesday.

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is 1 AM EST on July 11, 2012.

MOD – Is Peregrine actually in this game or has he been replaced and I missed it?

He told me that he will be V/LA until Tuesday night.

Benmage counter-wagon forms.

Votecount 1.29

Yates - 5 (Slandaar, Benmage, Agent_Ireland, MagnaofIllusion, Acosmist)
Acosmist - 1 (mcqueen)
Benmage - 5 (Yates, Thor665, syndromeofadown, JohnnyFarrar, PeregrineV)
syndromeofadown - 1 (snifit)
JohnnyFarrar - 1 (BK201)

Not voting - ()

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is 1 AM EST on July 11, 2012.

PV joins the counter-wagon.

Votecount 1.30

Yates - 4 (Slandaar, Toro, MagnaofIllusion, Acosmist)
Acosmist - 1 (mcqueen)
Benmage - 6 (Yates, Thor665, syndromeofadown, JohnnyFarrar, PeregrineV, snifit)
syndromeofadown - 2 (Benmage, BK201)

Not voting - ()

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Toro replaces Agent_Ireland effective immediately. Thanks again Toro!

The deadline for Day 1 is 1 AM EST on July 11, 2012.

And I fuck things up by taking votes off Yates. Snifit joins Benmage wagon. I will have to check if he joined before or after Benmage unvoted. Also in relation to my vote on Yates.

Votecount 1.31 (Final VC of Day 1)

Yates - 3 (

Slandaar

, Toro,

Acosmist

)
Acosmist - 1 (

mcqueen

)
Benmage - 7 (

Yates

,

Thor665

, syndromeofadown, JohnnyFarrar, PeregrineV, snifit,

MagnaofIllusion

)
syndromeofadown - 2 (

Benmage, BK201

)

Not voting - ()

With 13 alive it took 7 to lynch.

A lynch has been reached.

After a long day of screaming and beating the shit out of each other,
the Z Fighters looked like they were finally ready to put the finishing blow on someone.
Benmage had taken the worst of the assault, and as he laid on the ground in a pool of blood,
MagnaofIllusion walked over to him. With one swift motion, he stomped on Benmage's abdomen.
The force was too great for his body to take, and he shat out his guts.

Benmage was

Bulma, Vanilla Townie

, who shat out his guts Day 1.

Please have all night actions to me by 1 AM on July 13 or they will not count. Night 1 begins now

MoI hammers, but he is right I made Yates wagon unviable at the end.

[BK201]

Nevermind MoI. I think I know why iDanny/syndrome is town, and yes you said it before.

[PeregrineV]

Yeah, I just looked through MoI's ISO and his Syndrome town seems leaning more towards Thor=scum.

I'll need some pretty good evidence why iDany-syndrome is not scum.

[BK201]

After a look at Snifit's ISO I actually think actually think snifit is town. I know you want more than "I think x" but it's just based on how he was posting.

That leaves PV/Johnny/ and Toro for scum.

[BK201]

Going to re-examine how day 2 votes went down and then I'm ready.

[BK201]

^ready for PV to die.

[PeregrineV]

Yeah, I just looked through MoI's ISO and his Syndrome town seems leaning more towards Thor=scum.

I'll need some pretty good evidence why iDany-syndrome is not scum.

^ready for PV to die.

Are you scared of the question?

you've not answered 1575 or 1571, and I think MoI has some open questions to you too.

[BK201]

Votecount 2.1

syndromeofadown - 1 (Thor665)
PeregrineV - 1 (Slandaar)
mcqueen - 1 (Yates)
Yates - 2 (MagnaofIllusion, BK201)
snifit - 1 (PeregrineV)

Not voting - (JohnnyFarrar, mcqueen, Toro, syndromeofadown, snifit)

MagnaofIllusion is V/LA until Monday.

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

The deadline for Day 2 is 2 AM EST on July 27, 2012.

Votecount 2.2

syndromeofadown - 2 (Thor665, Toro)
PeregrineV - 1 (Slandaar)
mcqueen - 1 (Yates)
Yates - 4 (MagnaofIllusion, BK201, syndromeofadown, mcqueen)
snifit - 1 (PeregrineV)

Not voting - (JohnnyFarrar, snifit)

MagnaofIllusion is V/LA until Monday.

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

The deadline for Day 2 is 2 AM EST on July 27, 2012.

Votecount 2.3

syndromeofadown - 2 (Thor665, Toro)
PeregrineV - 2 (Slandaar, BK201)
mcqueen - 1 (Yates)
Yates - 3 (MagnaofIllusion, syndromeofadown, mcqueen)
snifit - 1 (PeregrineV)

Not voting - (JohnnyFarrar, snifit)

PeregrineV has recieved his second prod. Toro and syndromeofadown have each recieved their first.

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

The deadline for Day 2 is 2 AM EST on July 27, 2012.

Votecount 2.4

syndromeofadown - 1 (Toro)
PeregrineV - 1 (Slandaar)
mcqueen - 1 (Yates)
Yates - 5 (MagnaofIllusion, syndromeofadown, mcqueen, Thor665, BK201)
snifit - 1 (PeregrineV)

Not voting - (JohnnyFarrar, snifit)

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

The deadline for Day 2 is 2 AM EST on July 27, 2012.

Votecount 2.5 (Final VC of Day 2)

syndromeofadown - 1 (Toro)
PeregrineV - 1 (Slandaar)
mcqueen - 1 (Yates)

Yates

- 6 (

MagnaofIllusion, syndromeofadown, mcqueen, Thor665, BK201, snifit

)
snifit - 1 (PeregrineV)

Not voting - (JohnnyFarrar)

With 11 alive it took 6 to lynch. A lynch has been reached.

As the sun began to set, it became clear who was to die today. snifit walked up to a battered Yates and spinkicked him in the neck. The force was so great that his head went flying off, scouter and all.

Yates was

Vegeta, Mafia Godfather

, who was decapitated Day 2.


Please have all night actions to me by 5 PM EST on July 18th or they will not count.

Pretty sure no bussing was involved. It was a rather quick wagon, they probably hoped we wouldn't actually quick-lynch.

[BK201]

I think the scum team is PV and Toro. Could be PV and Syndrome, but I'm pretty sure on PV.

Why could it be me?

You should vote Syndrome if you think it's him.

And why not Johnny? You've seen all of our reasons, why not refute any of them if you disagree?

Its you because you're scum and have been scummy all game. Why again did you vote Benmage instead of Yates?

Syndrome is town.

It could be Johnny. It could be you and Johnny.

[BK201]

Ftr MoI is 100% town. I don't want to share why though because I want to keep using this town read, but its something dicknose did, and to a lesser extent MoI did.

@BK- You'll understand if I ignore your super secret town tell. You're even welcome to try and explain it. But if it's not better than Glork's (which didn't convince me), I wouldn't be taking him off the table.

If not, read the following three posts.

Spoiler: Previously incorrect town tell

What's the Super Glork Towntell?

It wouldn't be Super Glork if it were made so blatantly public.

I'll give you hint, though. JasonT showed an inconsistency in his depths-of-thought that is not commonly found in scum.

Fair enough on the "townhunting" (or, as it's more commonly called, "PoE") point. I have noticed that I've been doing this since I got back. FWIW, it's something I did both in My Little Pony Mafia and WINvitational. I don't think scumhunting-by-Process-of-Elimination is a bad thing, but I do agree that it's probably overdone.

But since you asked so nicely, I'll explain my jasontownread.
It actually stemmed when someone on my team (chamber, I think) said jason's Post 164 looked like it had been carefully crafted, because of the out-of-order examples on bandwagoning. That prompted me to go back and look at what else jason had done, and what I found was really interesting.
While I agree that the post was clearly structured to make a point, take a look at Post 125, Post 127, and Post 161. Jason plainly asks for a game, states his intent to read through it to get a beat on Grey, and then

so very casually clears GreyICE

after reading it. The manner of language, unless Jason is scum

with GreyICE

speaks to a protown mindset. Scum would be more interested in blahblahblah-let-me-get-town-cred-for-buddying-GreyTown. And not only that, but immediately after saying he's not concerned with Grey, he asks Grey why he's going lurkerhunting... again, to what end would JasonScum do that?

So, what motivation does Jason have for asking for & reading through a game, and just going "ok, yeah, he's town" and then grill Grey on MoS/CoolDog, and make a thought-out, constructed case against Slaxx? Well, as town the motivation is obvious, assuming Jason is a straight shooter. He thinks Grey's town but wants Grey's focus on more productive things, and he wants attention brought to Slaxx. As scum, I'm having a lot of difficulty finding any motivation (again, unless he's scum *with* Grey).

Basically, unless something happens to change my opinion on Grey, I'm not really interested in pursuing Jason. Naturally, it's possible he's pulled the wool over my eyes, but that's not a concern for me at this time.

And so, after much argument and deliberation, Mastermind of Sin was dragged to the noose. He took it with dignity. As the rope was let go of, jason and Leela quickly slit the throats of CooLDoG and Porochaz. Afterwards, they sat down to write their report to The Don.

Mastermind of Sin, Townie, lynched Day 5
CooLDoG, Townie, endgamed
Porochaz, Tracker, endgamed

The Mafia of Captain Leela, jasonT1981, and DeltaWave

, win the game

I don't see a question here, but idc about whatever another player messed up on in their secret town-tell.

[PeregrineV]

I think the scum team is PV and Toro. Could be PV and Syndrome, but I'm pretty sure on PV.

Why could it be me?

You should vote Syndrome if you think it's him.

And why not Johnny? You've seen all of our reasons, why not refute any of them if you disagree?

Its you because you're scum and have been scummy all game. Why again did you vote Benmage instead of Yates?

Syndrome is town.

It could be Johnny. It could be you and Johnny.

Don't hammer Johnny, I don't think he is even the best choice.

So, what I'm saying to you is:
You say you have a townread on MoI/dicknose, but won't discuss it.
You say syndrome is town, but won't discuss it.
You say Johnny might be scum, but don't lynch him.

Since I know I'm town, your batting percentage, to me, is very low. Most of the town credit I give you is from your back and forth with BenMage in twilight. But, considering my own apparent scumminess, that means very little.

I guess I'll look at your Toro & Guille/snifit reads. Maybe they are all town too.

And I voted BenMage because he was scummy.

I'm saying 5 outta 7 voted with zero reason. Zero explanation.

Yates-MoI-Syn/snifit is the scum team (yes only 3 of the listed 4)

[BK201]

^ It's cool how you structure my posts out of order.

[BK201]

given how retarded that lynch was I'd believe it if all 3 scum were on that wagon.

I'm still waiting for a flip. If Ben is Town, I'm buying 2 scum MAX on his wagon. There's no way scum put all their eggs in one wagon when there are two huge wagons to hide in.

Yeah I think all 3 scum voted Benmage.

[PeregrineV]

^ It's cool how you structure my posts out of order.

It's multi-quote. I think you can re-order them in your head.

My next question for you to ignore is what caused your read change on Johnny from 1465 to 1485?

[syndromeofadown]

I'm in agreement that scum is likely between Johnny/Toro/Peregrine. I'm honestly pretty okay with any of them being lynched today, though I actually find myself preferring johnny much more now than before.

Johnny's response under pressure has been really awful, his response to the case against him is pretty much just "don't lynch me I'm town" He also REFUSES to place an actual vote on Toro, despite saying multiple times he's the scummiest player left in the game, in fact saying he's almost SURE he's scum.

@Johnny - why only the "intent" to vote Toro? You've said you don't want to compromise the game from not reading, and yet you've admitted to doing partial ISOs and said you're sure he's scum. There's no reason not to place a physical vote on him then, from a town perspective. If you have another reason feel free to share, but "lol I didn't read" isn't a good excuse, especially when you clearly have read.

You've also been fence sitting on your read of me - every time you've been asked you just say "lol post more". You said you've done a full ISO of me, and clearly there's enough content between me/iDanny to form an opinion given everyone else in the game has. Also, I believe a full claim from you is in order.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Syndrome, you've only actually contributed when talking about me and Toro. Since I sort of understand suspicion of me and really understand the suspicion on Toro, I really don't know what to think of you. So I would like you to post more.

And now you target me with the same accusation that others have used. I get it. I should vote. But, I'm not going to until we all agree (or mostly agree) that he's the right lynch today. If that gets me killed, hopefully you'll know the right way to go tomorrow after I flip town.

My bet is officially Toro and Syndrome. Call it gut.

[pappums rat]

Votecount 4.9

JohnnyFarrar - 3 (Toro, PeregrineV, MagnaofIllusion)
PeregrineV - 1 (BK201)
Toro - 1 (syndromeofadown)

Not Voting - (JohnnyFarrar, guille2015)

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch.

The deadline for Day 4 is 2 AM EST on August 7, 2012.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Johnny's response under pressure has been really awful, his response to the case against him is pretty much just "don't lynch me I'm town" He also REFUSES to place an actual vote on Toro, despite saying multiple times he's the scummiest player left in the game, in fact saying he's almost SURE he's scum.

Then why are you still voting Toro, who is Johnny’s supposed target? Do you think they are scum together? If so why not vote the scum at L-1? If not why are you still voting Toro?

--

Why could it be me?

Why can’t it be you? I’d really like to see what you think in your play streams Obv-Town. You never voted for Yates Day 1 or Day 2 and have frankly taken a stance that doesn’t seem to jibe with reality today in that you don’t seem to understand you are in the pool of those getting lynched not the pool of those who look Town.

I already posted a summary of your ISO that suggests to me you could easily be scum. Why didn’t you comment on that, especially since you attack BK in this same post for not doing that on Johnny?

Not sure if you know this, but every game we've played together we've both been town all the time. Yet, you always suspect me, and I always suspect you.

Well what is the point of this? You keep going on about how I’m ‘not off the table for today’ when I am the sole reason this game isn’t already in LYLO due to Yates’ lynch I willed to happen. I see you saying “Well you’ve suspected me incorrectly in the past every time we played together” in your appeal to me but your comments to BK suggest you still think I am scum and doesn’t jibe with the above.

Do you think BK is scum? If not what is the purpose of grilling him about his Town reads? If you think he is Town I see little reason for you to argue with him about his Town reads. It's not productive if you are Town.

I'll need some pretty good evidence why iDany-syndrome is not scum.

Nope.jpg. You again fail to understand the cirucmstances … you are on the hot seat. Others don’t need to prove things to you. You need to be proving things to us at this stage.

And I voted BenMage because he was scummy.

Nope.jpg. Benmage was not scummy at all. Please link me to all the post you made showing your Benmage is scummy stance to support that terrible vote Day1.

[PeregrineV]

Why could it be me?

Why can’t it be you? I’d really like to see what you think in your play streams Obv-Town. You never voted for Yates Day 1 or Day 2 and have frankly taken a stance that doesn’t seem to jibe with reality today in that you don’t seem to understand you are in the pool of those getting lynched not the pool of those who look Town.

I already posted a summary of your ISO that suggests to me you could easily be scum. Why didn’t you comment on that, especially since you attack BK in this same post for not doing that on Johnny?

Timeline of events:
I've stated why I didn't vote for Yates.
A summary of my iso with no conclusion and no vote.
I ask for a case on me from BK.
You claim I need to present a case why I'm town.

The game doesn't work that way. You may present a case about why I'm scum, and I'll respond, or, if I think I am confirmed town, I'll point out the logic, but you want me to respond to a summary of my iso?

Nope.jpg

Not sure if you know this, but every game we've played together we've both been town all the time. Yet, you always suspect me, and I always suspect you.

Well what is the point of this?

The point would be I've only played with you as town. And this doesn;t seem the same. That's why I also asked for your last 5 scum games in post 1594, the one you are qutoing here.

You keep going on about how I’m ‘not off the table for today’ when I am the sole reason this game isn’t already in LYLO due to Yates’ lynch I willed to happen.

You and 5 others made the Yates lynch happen.
You and 6 others made the BenMage lynch happen.
You and 4 others made the Thor lynch happen.
So, my voting makes me a lynch candidate, but yours does not?
Try again.

I see you saying “Well you’ve suspected me incorrectly in the past every time we played together” in your appeal to me but your comments to BK suggest you still think I am scum and doesn’t jibe with the above.

Because you could be. If you were a totally new player, you'd be the thread scum king. Since it's you, and this is similar to your normal play, but not the same, I concede you might be town.

Do you think BK is scum?

I don't know. See 1587.

If not what is the purpose of grilling him about his Town reads?

If I can follow the logic train and agree with it, then I can put syndrome as town. Not even sure why you are askign this question.

If you think he is Town I see little reason for you to argue with him about his Town reads.

I don't know if BK is town. That's why I ask questions.

It's not productive if you are Town.

I haven't questioned my town reads yet. I might if I have to, but my scumreads are fighting me tooth and nail anytime I ask questions.

I'll need some pretty good evidence why iDany-syndrome is not scum.

Nope.jpg. You again fail to understand the cirucmstances … you are on the hot seat. Others don’t need to prove things to you. You need to be proving things to us at this stage.

1 of 7 players feels this way (BK).
And what do you want me to prove? What questions have you asked that I've not answered?
What questions have I asked you and BK that are not answered?
You are now isisting that I defend myself against nonexistent cases. Let me guess, do you want me to create a case against myself too?
Town-MoI does not ask players to create cases against themselves.
Can you link me to your last 5 scum games?

And I voted BenMage because he was scummy.

Nope.jpg. Benmage was not scummy at all. Please link me to all the post you made showing your Benmage is scummy stance to support that terrible vote Day1.

My bad. I should rephrase that. He was more scummy than Aco, Slandaar, and Yates.

So deadline is midnight my time. I don't see myself voting Yates or Aco or Slandaar right now.

Vote: BenMage

I'll be back, but other good candidates are snifit, BK, Agent, mcqueen.
And also want responses to above posts. kthxbai

Also, you're presentation of Ben as scum via meta really helped me to vote him too, coincidentally.

Also does Benmage really have less posts than the Mod? That's troublesome.

Town Benmage does not have less posts than the Mod.

It was odd. Benmage is clearly active when he’s Town. That’s a cornerstone he’s used in his own defense and pretty clearly a lack of activity (and by that I’m saying “Having less posts than the Mod as opposed to not having the most posts”) is a good sign of scum Benmage.

I don’t really like that 20% of his total posting (10 posts out of 52ish) happened AFTER I called out his lack of activity. And furthermore that those 10 posts are pretty much appeasement “Well, I’m not always active but MoI is more right than Thor” posting as opposed to scum-hunting.

VOTE: Benmage
No Lynch is the worst thing after a too long day 1.

[PeregrineV]

If this helps you believe me,

Vote: MoI

[MagnaofIllusion]

The game doesn't work that way. You may present a case about why I'm scum, and I'll respond, or, if I think I am confirmed town, I'll point out the logic, but you want me to respond to a summary of my iso?

Here’s I hint – I don’t particularly care whether you like my suspicion of you or not. If I wanted to push your lynch I would do so to the other players in the game. I don’t care if you don’t like being called scum if I read you as possible scum and frankly think it is pretty stupid of you to argue with me about my own read.

The point would be I've only played with you as town. And this doesn;t seem the same. That's why I also asked for your last 5 scum games in post 1594, the one you are qutoing here.

Don’t care that it ‘feels different to you’. Frankly given that you suspected me of scum in Heroes of Comedy makes this argument for meta stupid. You called me scum as Town incorrectly in the past consistently and now you say I’m different and thus I’m scum again? If you want to do a meta analysis of me do your own legwork. I don’t particularly care about your read on me.

You and 5 others made the Yates lynch happen.
You and 6 others made the BenMage lynch happen.
You and 4 others made the Thor lynch happen.
So, my voting makes me a lynch candidate, but yours does not?

Absolutely it makes you a candidate. Firstly the only reason I was no the Benmage lynch was for deadline reasons. It was approximately 2 hours to deadline and Yates had become no-viable. The fact that you want to suggest my vote for him was equivalent to yours (which came when you could have chosen scum Yates freely) is laughable.

Secondly you didn’t lynch scum. You never even voted for him. I did and unquestionably was the driving force in making it happen. Any argument you make about this making me a candidate and not you is again laughable.

In the end you’ve pushed 100% mislynches so far and I’ve pushed at least 1 scum lynch. Yes, my record is worlds better than yours.

Because you could be. If you were a totally new player, you'd be the thread scum king. Since it's you, and this is similar to your normal play, but not the same, I concede you might be town.

Not even close. You are happy to throw rhetoric when you can’t even be bothered to back it up. Where is you ISO discussing all my scummy play? Nowhere.

Again – I don’t care what you concede at this stage because you are one of three strong scum candidates.

I don't know.

This should be your motto because frankly you don’t seem to be willing to really commit to anything. As far as I can see you don’t have anyone you don’t think could be scum at this juncture other than yourself. Way to fence-sit on the whole damn thread Peregrine.

If I can follow the logic train and agree with it, then I can put syndrome as town.

Why? You aren’t even sure BK is Town so following his logic thread is meaningless. Furthermore I’ve already laid out in my large reads catch-up why Syndrome is Town. Lastly why can’t you make your own damn determination? You seem entrenched in making sure your reads are predicated on others input which is scummy as fuck.

I haven't questioned my town reads yet. I might if I have to, but my scumreads are fighting me tooth and nail anytime I ask questions.

Can’t say as I have even seen any Town reads from you. They aren’t BK or myself. They would not be Johnny who you were just voting for. They wouldn’t be Syndrome since you need BK’s ‘help’ to determine that. Are Toro and Guile your Town reads?

1 of 7 players feels this way (BK).

What a scummy way to use bad statistics.

Strike 1 – you can’t include yourself when assessing how others feel so using 7 as the baseline is bad.
Strike 2 – I feel you are scum so it is at least 2 of 6. I honestly can’t be sure how others feel but Syndrome seems to think you could be scum based on your last post so the actual number is probably even higher than that.

One strike from being sent to the bench ...

And what do you want me to prove? What questions have you asked that I've not answered?

Frankly any sort of actual scum-hunting out of you that wasn’t 100% based on someone else’s efforts is what I expect to see from Town. Why this mystifies you is beyond me.

You are now isisting that I defend myself against nonexistent cases. Let me guess, do you want me to create a case against myself too?
Town-MoI does not ask players to create cases against themselves.

This is such 100% misrep bullshit I don’t even …

Please link me to where I asked you to make a case on yourself. Please link me to where I asked you to defend yourself from ‘non-existent’ cases. For the record you still have not commented on an actual case I presented at Post 1541 so this is just such scummy bullshit.

My bad. I should rephrase that. He was more scummy than Aco, Slandaar, and Yates.

No, he wasn’t. Yates was MILES more scummy than Benmage.

Also, you're presentation of Ben as scum via meta really helped me to vote him too, coincidentally.

Oh you mean the meta comment that I never pushed (Thor did that BTW if you want to be factually correct) and never voted for him on?

Also this is

ANOTHER

example of you not having your own reasoning and trying to hide behind other’s comments as justification for why you aren’t scummy. Guess what? That’s scummy as fuck.

[PeregrineV]

You might be right.

Can you give me the links to your last 5 scum games? Please.

[BK201]

If Johnny is town, both scum are already voting him. Think about it, you can get away with a hammer with some bs reasoning at this point.