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[DCLXVI]

How about you answer my question now.

[DCLXVI]

and your question was never very clear.

[DCLXVI]

ICE, remind me.

Why is it scummy that I said it was a multiball game?

[Staeg]

666, I could see something like goon-slight PR for one scumteam and goon-traitor-traitor (wait... should there ever be a traitor flip, lynch IG with fire) if the town was fairly stacked, but eeh.

666 is kinda slightly more town for this entire exchange of shit-flinging, and I would now be more than willing to vote sham. Which I will actually do.

vote: shamrock

(ftr, yesterday I had the thought of "no way are both 666 and stab on the both scumteam, but jesus fuck they're both so fucking scummy" - today a similar thing between 666 and sham came up IMM, so let's go guys)

[DCLXVI]

Yes, I know two kills happened, but that could mean that there is a mafia and an SK, a mafia and a vig, and some other weird power role interactions. You claiming it's a multiball game after only one night of two kills reads like you know it from your role PM.

I'll do a comparison of what was said.

mattP, "There are three scum and an SK"
DCL, "This is a multi-ball game."

ICEguy finds it scummy that I think there are two scumgroups but doesn't find it scummy that mattP thinks there are two scumgroups.

@everyone other than ICE and Staeg.

Your thoughts on this.

[Staeg]

ICEguy finds it scummy that I think there are two scumgroups

but... you don't think there are two scumgroups



...I think?

[DCLXVI]

argh, you know what I mean.

I think there is an SK+mafia. Two different scum "teams" groups whatever you want to call it. I said there are two different sets of scum in the game that are competing against each other. matt said the same thing. But ICE is only going after me.

[Bitmap]

@DCLXVI: I find it weird that Iceguy has been tunneling you. I just looked at his vote history and all his other votes were either because of another larger bandwagon or RVS.

[Jarvis]

Foreword: This is probably going to be a bit eclectic, I wrote it as I went along, hopping back and fore a bit too. Found it hard to stay motivated while reading. The distraction offered by the Olympics may or may not have influenced this.

Also shit it's long.

Er. IceGuy is pushing a bad line at the moment, but early-game antics read as "why would scum even bother?". So town for now. I dunno, going downhill though. McStab's attack on him was pretty damn opportunistic too so yeah, unlikely partner.

ChaosOmega's first post is immediate scumread. Michel's first post is immediate townread (but then later play is veryyy caaareefulll so cross that off).

Not sure what to make of Shamrock tbh, I get the feeling he's hanging back. Don't think it's particularly alignment indicative though.

Matt, you said you'd played 100 games with Vash. You earlier said you'd never seen him as scum. Really?

But on a more topical subject, iDanyBoy/DeasVail is McStab's partner as of 231. Oh, and then 276 lol.

Also DV's reads on replacing in. One scum read? No sir. And of course the absolute gem to back up the scoobytown read - "he feels genuine". Always a go-to word for scum. So many town reads, the reasons he tries to give are all meaningless drivel. There's no substance to them.

And I'm back here again, for DV's reaction to the McStab wagon building. I don't even know what the non-vote business is about, but the "townies don't double post" reply to Quilford is so shit it's funny. AND THEN THE COMMENTATING LOL.

Why does no one seem to care about Chaos anymore?

When the fuck did you care about Chaos? Did you even give that read in the end? Or did you just forget which mislynch you were pushing OOPS.

VOTE: DeasVail

The risk is obvious, the fact that you have claimed being a pr means you will be dead or role blocked tomorrow, I would be shocked if neither of those things happened.

So sure scum have a blocker?

This miller claim is... I don't even know. Makes no fucking sense. Like, his given reasons for holding back as town are absolute shit, but why do it as scum? What possible benefit can be drawn from a late miller claim?

So ho-hum, nightkills. I imagine Quilford was standard scum kill, with Amrun being Vig/SK fodder. Leaning the latter because it fits more - Amrun was pretty damn town by like halfway through the day but picked up enough pressure to fit in with the inevitable Vig fakeclaim. So yeah, assuming we have a Vig or SK who wants to keep up a reasonable pretence of being vig, they need to shoot DCLXVI in the face tonight and clear up this whole stupid business. Don't need to waste a lynch on it.

Also thoughts on kill flavour being related to names? It was kinda specific. I'd probably support a name reveal based on that fact plus IceGuy's hinting.

will explain after LoL game, but this guy is practically mod-confirmed scum

Mod-confirmed? Doesn't fit with your follow-up explanation? Or is that just a comparison for how likely scum he is?

And now back to the SCUMSLIP! conversation. That's a lot of room taken up over something that really doesn't mean a great deal.

So as I stand, DV is scum. 666 is scummy as hell but I'd rather lynch DV and have 666 Vig/SK foddered. CO is a future lynch for the timetable too.

And in we go.

[DeasVail]

Also DV's reads on replacing in. One scum read? No sir. And of course the absolute gem to back up the scoobytown read - "he feels genuine". Always a go-to word for scum.[/post]
This was a joke based on scooby's reaction to Amrun saying the same thing.

And I'm back here again, for DV's reaction to the McStab wagon building. I don't even know what the non-vote business is about, but the "townies don't double post" reply to Quilford is so shit it's funny. AND THEN THE COMMENTATING LOL.

Also a joke in response to Quil saying townies never lie.

DeasVail wrote:
Why does no one seem to care about Chaos anymore?

When the fuck did you care about Chaos? Did you even give that read in the end? Or did you just forget which mislynch you were pushing OOPS.

This was not interest in starting a Chaos wagon (who I've always had a very slight townread on), but a serious question considering that Chaos was previously a popular target and I was wondering why he wasn't anymore.

[DeasVail]

Also DV's reads on replacing in. One scum read? No sir. And of course the absolute gem to back up the scoobytown read - "he feels genuine". Always a go-to word for scum.

This was a joke based on scooby's reaction to Amrun saying the same thing.

And I'm back here again, for DV's reaction to the McStab wagon building. I don't even know what the non-vote business is about, but the "townies don't double post" reply to Quilford is so shit it's funny. AND THEN THE COMMENTATING LOL.

Also a joke in response to Quil saying townies never lie.

When the fuck did you care about Chaos? Did you even give that read in the end? Or did you just forget which mislynch you were pushing OOPS.

This was not interest in starting a Chaos wagon (who I've always had a very slight townread on), but a serious question considering that Chaos was previously a popular target and I was wondering why he wasn't anymore.

[Jarvis]

Lots of jokes there. You must be a funny guy. Were you joking with the rest of the reasons you gave for your town reads?

If you define popular as having the same three votes for an extended period of time, then I suppose you're right. Why did you choose that moment to bring it up?

Why do you think his popularity waned?

[MattP]

Matt, you said you'd played 100 games with Vash. You earlier said you'd never seen him as scum. Really?

It was a running joke on my other forum that Vash would never draw scum.

[DeasVail]

Lots of jokes there. You must be a funny guy. Were you joking with the rest of the reasons you gave for your town reads?

If you define popular as having the same three votes for an extended period of time, then I suppose you're right. Why did you choose that moment to bring it up?

Why do you think his popularity waned?

-I don't think so.

-Because that's when I thought to ask it.

-I don't know.

[DeasVail]

666, I could see something like goon-slight PR for one scumteam and goon-traitor-traitor (wait... should there ever be a traitor flip, lynch IG with fire) if the town was fairly stacked, but eeh.

666 is kinda slightly more town for this entire exchange of shit-flinging, and I would now be more than willing to vote sham. Which I will actually do.

vote: shamrock

(ftr, yesterday I had the thought of "no way are both 666 and stab on the both scumteam, but jesus fuck they're both so fucking scummy" - today a similar thing between 666 and sham came up IMM, so let's go guys)

Yay.

VOTE: Shamrock

What do you think of Michel?

[Staeg]

Mod-confirmed? Doesn't fit with your follow-up explanation? Or is that just a comparison for how likely scum he is?

Rhetoric.

@DV - well, he's on the lower half of the purge list. Right about the same spot as this jarvis guy here.

[Shamrock]

This "scumslip" crap is pointless nonsense and I want the ten minutes I spent reading it back.

DCL can you confirm whether your post in #524 is the case you supposedly made on IceGuy? I also don't understand why, if you are a miller, you dying on N1 would make you useless; if anything it's better that a miller dies than a VT.

[DCLXVI]

DCL can you confirm whether your post in #524 is the case you supposedly made on IceGuy?

I made at least 6-7 posts before that with full explanations of why I found ICEguy scummy.

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Shamrock wanted to know what my case on ICEguy was, I dug up about 5-6 posts from my ISO which all fully explain why I find ICEguy scummy. The fact that shamrock claims to have read my iso but has NOT seen these quotes is bordering on absurd.

Spoiler:

In other news, bitmap is town cause scum don't come in to the game saying they like hitler. That's just asking for trouble.

Quilford's response is null cause bitmap was just asking for RVS votes.

ICEguy piling on like that on bitmap is very scummy, along with asking for an obviously bad nameclaim leads me to say that I think a ICEguy lynch right now is the direction we need to be heading.

Seriously though, what would you guys think of a mass name claim?

Did nexus give you an awesome fakeclaim you are dying to try out?

Not break. Help the town.

breaking a setup helps the town...that's the whole point of breaking it...

And I'm saying I think the mod didn't design a setup that could be manipulated (broken) to drastically help the town.

Pedit: I don't think ICEguy has role related info that could break the game, he is just making stuff up after people went after him for his asking for a massclaim.

So do you think he is faking that he has this info?

ISO iceguy.

You will see that he only mentions that he has info from his role pm that he thinks will make a massclaim viable in the last post he has made today, after he started taking heat for the massclaim idea.

It seems more to me like ICEguy found himself in a heated situation and is trying to get himself out of it.

So DCLXVI, since you still are suspicious of Iceguy for it, when will you finally be explaining why the mass nameclaim was more likely to come from scum in your opinion?

If you actually read my iso you would have found the answer in my first few posts.

You even answered the question in your own post.

Still, there are various way in which you can enter a discussion regarding powerroles, and e

ncouraging other players to give info away is not a pro-town one.

but in case you somehow missed it in my iso, here is what I said a lot earlier:

Um...It's history mafia. That means scum have 4000+ years of fakeclaim's they can use. This has pretty much 0 potential to catch scum and a decent chance of hurting town by outing a claim that would likely be a pr.

But this really doesn't matter since the scum have an unlimited source of potential fake-claims which makes any claiming scenario at this point a bad idea.

you're the one that is completely fucking dense staeg, did you not just read my last post? Let me highlight some stuff I just said.

"Um...It's history mafia. That means scum have 4000+ years of fakeclaim's they can use. This has pretty much 0 potential to catch scum and a decent chance of hurting town by outing a claim that would likely be a pr."

"But this really doesn't matter since the scum have an unlimited source of potential fake-claims which makes any claiming scenario at this point a bad idea."

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My whole point was that a name-claim might out town power roles which would definitely help scum.

AND, since it will be easy to fakeclaim a mass nameclaim will have no chance of catching scum.

so in other words, what ICE suggested for us to do had

0

chance of catching scum,

and the

possibility of outing town power roles

.

I swear, if anyone else in this game claims to not know why I think ICEguy is scum after this post they are either retarded or scum themselves.

[IceGuy]

I swear, if anyone else in this game claims to not know why I think ICEguy is scum after this post they are either retarded or scum themselves.

Or they recognize that your case is bad and you are likely scum with your constant pushing on me, claiming that you put the least scummy people first in a scum list, switching the vote to the least scummy person and back when wagons develop and fall apart, and suddenly claiming miller on D2.

Though I must admit leaving out what I actually said and did might help your case.

[Jarvis]

@DeasVail:

So explanations such as "because of his early posting" or "because of a few little things" are not jokes? Those are perfectly serious reads?

You really don't know why the CO wagon dissolved? I'll give you a clue: all three votes moved to the same place.

And still, why ask? Did you think the move off him was scum-motivated?

What exactly were you trying to achieve with your behaviour around the McStab lynch? You asked for a claim, pointed out L-1 (except it wasn't) and asked about a different wagon. You did not oppose the McStab wagon, but certainly weren't for it, and didn't push any real alternative. What was your desired outcome at the end of the day?

@DCLXVI:

All I see there is "he pushed on Bitmap" and a whole lot of misrepresenting his request for a nameclaim as a massclaim. With a touch of "a nameclaim wouldn't help us catch scum BUT IT IS DANGEROUS" there at the end.

IceGuy has claimed that it would be helpful due to his role. Have you read his role PM? If not, I fail to see how you can denounce this.

And with regard to how it outs town PRs: John F Kennedy. What role would he have? How confidently could you say that?

Your case is shit. Move on.

[DeasVail]

@DeasVail: So explanations such as "because of his early posting" or "because of a few little things" are not jokes? Those are perfectly serious reads?

You really don't know why the CO wagon dissolved? I'll give you a clue: all three votes moved to the same place.

And still, why ask? Did you think the move off him was scum-motivated?

What exactly were you trying to achieve with your behaviour around the McStab lynch? You asked for a claim, pointed out L-1 (except it wasn't) and asked about a different wagon. You did not oppose the McStab wagon, but certainly weren't for it, and didn't push any real alternative. What was your desired outcome at the end of the day?

I thought giving detailed reason for my townreads would be slightly detrimental if anything, and where I thought it would be beneficial, I did (see DCL townread).

I didn't have specific answers in mind when asking the question. It was just something that came to mind. I don't spend a long time thinking carefully about each post before I make it you know. I don't think it was necessarily scum-motivated.

Er, by the time I pointed out (what I thought was) L-1 and asked for a claim, I had pretty obviously realised that McStab was the lynch barring a special claim/sudden towniness. I think I was pushing Shamrock before that, and I didn't oppose the McStab wagon because he was only a null-weak scum read and I thought that we could get a better read from him with few posts. Desired outcome would have been a lynch on Shamrock. Michel was probably the other one ahead of McStab on my lynch preference list at that stage. Also, I have said before and I'll say again that I didn't have any interest in a Chaos lynch.

[DeasVail]

I don't think it was necessarily scum-motivated.

This refers to people moving off the CO wagon by the way.

[Staeg]

Okay, well, I'm starting to like this jarvis guy a bit more. The initial reasoning on DV is eeeeeehhhhh, but other than that it's k.

[DeasVail]

DCL, can you vote for shamrock?

[DCLXVI]

Of course I

can

vote for shamrock. You're not asking the right question.