Judge, Jury, and Executioner - Over

[Thor665]

Nice duck and dodge there.

[guille2015]

I agree with the perception of Quilford. That wagon is suspicious.

Unvote: Quilford
Vote: Nocmen

[StrangerCoug]

I honestly want to look at the Thor665 wagon for scum, but given that I do not have a scum read on Quilford, I have no qualms with going after the people on his wagon, too.

[IceGuy]

Vote Count

Nocmen (10): Thor665, Teleporting Speed Hippos, Arugula, Knight of Cydonia, vijay2vasandani, Mastermind of Sin, Arugula, Mastermind of Sin, Nero Cain, guille2015

Quilford (9): Sir Bastion, Sir Bastion, Mastermind of Sin, WrathChild, WrathChild, TheShadow, TheShadow, Nocmen
TheShadow (7): Axelrod, Gooner, Gooner, Axelrod, Sir Bastion, Nocmen, Nocmen
DoomYoshi (5): guille2015, DCLXVI, DCLXVI, StrangerCoug, StrangerCoug
Sir Bastion (3): Teleporting Speed Hippos, Gooner, DCLXVI
vijay2vasandani (1): guille2015
Nero Cain (1): whispersilk
DCLXVI (1): whispersilk
Knight of Cydonia (1): Thor665

5

votes are currently not on a player.

Arugula (11): Quilford, vijay2vasandani, vijay2vasandani, Thor665, Teleporting Speed Hippos, Teleporting Speed Hippos, DoomYoshi, Ser Panda, Nero Cain, Nero Cain, TheShadow
Thor665 (11): Ser Panda, Ser Panda, Knight of Cydonia, Knight of Cydonia, Quilford, Quilford, DoomYoshi, DoomYoshi, whispersilk, Arugula, WrathChild

Every player has

3

votes.
With

21

alive, it's

11

to hammer.
There are

63

votes in play,

22

of which are frozen, leaving

41

votes active.

Deadline is August 11th, 3 a.m. CEST.

[D3f3nd3r]

Nocmen, in the last few pages feels scummy.


Declaring intent to hammer.

Please claim.

[guille2015]

Vote Count

...

Thor665 (11): Ser Panda, Ser Panda, Knight of Cydonia, Knight of Cydonia, Quilford, Quilford, DoomYoshi, DoomYoshi, whispersilk, Arugula, WrathChild[/color]

...

Correction due to mod error: Arugula has two votes (instead of one). WrathChild has two votes (instead of three).

I am confused. In reality, Arugula did not Lynch Thor but WrathChild unknowingly did? Is this how it happened?

@Mod: Can you explain the vote sequence here?

[IceGuy]

Correction due to mod error: Arugula has two votes (instead of one). WrathChild has two votes (instead of three).

I am confused. In reality, Arugula did not Lynch Thor but WrathChild unknowingly did? Is this how it happened?

@Mod: Can you explain the vote sequence here?

I missed WrathChild's vote that occurred somewhere in the wagon.

[Thor665]

Nocmen, in the last few pages feels scummy.


Declaring intent to hammer.

Please claim.

Again (though for a new player this time);

I am a leading force on this wagon.
You think I'm scum.

Discuss.

@Mod: Can you explain the vote sequence here?

Basically Arugula still hammered me - it's just he only needed one vote to hammer me instead of the two he thought he needed.

[D3f3nd3r]

You were scummy as of page 9. Are you now? Maybe.

[Thor665]

That's what I'm asking you - please clarify your read for the back 2/3rds of the game and also explain your thoughts in hopping onto a wagon heavily endorsed by someone that you have called scummy and haven't shifted view on yet.

This isn't rocket science, it's mafia.

[Nocmen]

I def agree with the Nocmen vote. He is simply hopping on the highest wagons to attempt to save his ass. I mean, look at this post. LOOK AT IT:

And you don't agree with the fact that at some point I need to do something to deal with this shitty wagon on me? I could very well have hammered Quilford if I wanted to with those votes.

Do what you feel like right now with me. I'm vanilla as can be. And take a good look at vijay, guille, and TSH. The scum on my wagon is in there.

[Nocmen]

EBWOP: And d3, what all changed in the last 20 pages? Doesn't help yourself when you just go "here's my opinion first 9 pages. Oh I'll hammer now"

[Axelrod]

Some interesting responses to my post, which I will try to go into in greater depth when I've got more time.

DoomYoshi's response is non-sensical. Do you really think I am claiming nothing? And I'm later going to come back and go "ha,ha, I can't really tell the Executioner unless it's me - but I never actually claimed I could, so you totally can't call me a liar and you totally can't lynch me for it. Nyah, Nyah." That?

MoS + Telleporting Hippos: seemed to have missed the point or are deliberately mischaractering. If I was going to "counter-claim" Shadow, I would, you know, have done it. And I wouldn't have gone out of my way to state that, based just on the claim, I don't think it would be impossible for both the roles to co-exist. I think Shadow is scummy rather independent of the claim, and his continuous vote hopping is doing nothing to change that opinion. I also never imagined that anyone would "clear" me, for instance, based just on my role. That's just such a bad idea in general, and MoS, at least, ought to know better.

The other reason for me to say something now was to give the scum some uncertainty. I like making them uncertain if it's "safe" to declare one of their own Executioner or not (which Shadow's claim - even if true - I don't think really would do).

I also don't like StrangerCoug seemingly setting up this dichotomy of "one or the other must be scum" - again, based on claim and nothing else. That's scum tactics or just poor logic and reasoning. Especially when you don't even know what my claim actually is. How do you make that call exactly?

I need to review Nocmen before making a decision there.

I'm going to

Unvote: Shadow

;

Unvote: Shadow

Now, though, since that isn't happening. Vote could go on Nocmen after a review.

[Knight of Cydonia]

I also never imagined that anyone would "clear" me, for instance, based just on my role. That's just such a bad idea in general, and MoS, at least, ought to know better.

Nah son he's too busy doing that for Shadow to do it for you

[D3f3nd3r]

Okay, let's get my reads from Page 10 and beyond.

10: Begins with a question about one lynch quickhammering another lynch just before being lynched himself making the second lynch town. The move seems scummy, but it might just be bussing. People seem to question the move. By the end, the hammer apologizes, and relates the situation to what I assume was a joke (Mod-Confirmed-Scum thingy)

11: 253 suggests that Arugula wanted to be lynched. My own Guille votes soon after seem pointless. Guille defends his vote on Shadow by saying he wants to pressure him, despite not putting a vote out.

12: At the point of the post, I agree with Bastion in 285 on everyone but Thor. Nocmen then hops onto one of the L-2 wagons, making it L-1. Thor then makes a slightly town move that counters Nocmen. From there, everyone begins to drop the wagon Nocmen didn't hop onto.

13: TheShadow remains at L-1. Otherwise nothing of note.

14: Nocmen tries to force discussion by not supporting a hammer on Shadow. Decent townie move. Also, yes, Arugula being scum makes Thor be more town. I slightly suspect the first sentence of 334 is scummy. Then he lies in 336. Then Shadow supports a self-lynch, and almost self-hammers. Slightly scum.

15-17: The DoomYoshi wagon really flares up. By 17 he has reached L-2.

18: Shadow self-votes twice, then stops to prove that he is town.

19: The point is brought up that Shadow is a PR that would make the Executioner not be present if he wasn't there. Nobody's counterclaimed yet, so I believe Shadow is town.

20: More about the wagon on Thor and the Arugula quickhammer.

21: KoC feels a little scummy, but not that bad. Yoshi is similar.

22: TSP in 529 is really good. Getting people for their voting is really the start of the Nocmen wagon.

23-24: 550/551, from a similar experience, may be bussing. Go back there is either flips scum. Although KoC's reason is a little believable, I expect you to answer questions soon after they are asked. Otherwise he's town. Then there's more for Nocmen.

25: Nothing of importance.

26: Nocmen reaches the biggest wagon of anyone. Quilford's return reads look like they date back to Thor's lynch.

27: I agree with 653. After that is my entrance.

Nocmen and scumminess begin in 327.

[Nocmen]

14: Nocmen tries to force discussion by not supporting a hammer on Shadow. Decent townie move.

Nocmen and scumminess begin in 327.

So wait...which is it. If 327 is a townie move, how does scumminess start there?

[TheShadow]

Okay. I've seen enough to vote. Hammer time.

UNVOTE: Quilford
UNVOTE: Quilford

VOTE: Nocmen
VOTE: Nocmen

[Nocmen]

Okay. I've seen enough to vote. Hammer time.

UNVOTE: Quilford
UNVOTE: Quilford

VOTE: Nocmen
VOTE: Nocmen

You guys wagoned me over this guy. Lulz.

[Nero Cain]

lo siento.

[Knight of Cydonia]

I agree with the perception of Quilford. That wagon is suspicious.

Unvote: Quilford
Vote: Nocmen

Thank you for continuing to contribute abso-fuckin-lutely nothing to the game whilst parroting the reads of others.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Okay. I've seen enough to vote. Hammer time.

UNVOTE: Quilford
UNVOTE: Quilford

VOTE: Nocmen
VOTE: Nocmen

You guys wagoned me over this guy. Lulz.

And I'm now absolutely sure that at least one of you is scum. "Lulz" indeed.

[DoomYoshi]

I agree with the perception of Quilford. That wagon is suspicious.

Unvote: Quilford
Vote: Nocmen

Thank you for continuing to contribute abso-fuckin-lutely nothing to the game whilst parroting the reads of others.

I was thinking the same thing.

Okay. I've seen enough to vote. Hammer time.

UNVOTE: Quilford
UNVOTE: Quilford

VOTE: Nocmen
VOTE: Nocmen

You guys wagoned me over this guy. Lulz.

Yea, Shadow sucks. Wish we could force replace.

@Axel, I really did think that, although I guess it does seem a bit silly. I will have to take your word that you were not claiming that.

[IceGuy]

Vote Count

Nocmen (11): Thor665, Teleporting Speed Hippos, Arugula, Knight of Cydonia, vijay2vasandani, Mastermind of Sin, Arugula, Mastermind of Sin, Nero Cain, guille2015, TheShadow

Quilford (7): Sir Bastion, Sir Bastion, Mastermind of Sin, WrathChild, WrathChild, TheShadow, Nocmen
TheShadow (5): Gooner, Gooner, Sir Bastion, Nocmen, Nocmen
DoomYoshi (5): guille2015, DCLXVI, DCLXVI, StrangerCoug, StrangerCoug
Sir Bastion (3): Teleporting Speed Hippos, Gooner, DCLXVI
vijay2vasandani (1): guille2015
Nero Cain (1): whispersilk
DCLXVI (1): whispersilk
Knight of Cydonia (1): Thor665

7

votes are currently not on a player.

Arugula (11): Quilford, vijay2vasandani, vijay2vasandani, Thor665, Teleporting Speed Hippos, Teleporting Speed Hippos, DoomYoshi, Ser Panda, Nero Cain, Nero Cain, TheShadow
Thor665 (11): Ser Panda, Ser Panda, Knight of Cydonia, Knight of Cydonia, Quilford, Quilford, DoomYoshi, DoomYoshi, whispersilk, Arugula, WrathChild

Every player has

3

votes.
With

21

alive, it's

11

to hammer.
There are

63

votes in play,

22

of which are frozen, leaving

41

votes active.

Deadline is August 11th, 3 a.m. CEST.

Nocmen has been hammered. Game goes on hold until I have a replacement for whispersilk.

[IceGuy]

whispersilk takes back her spot.

Night 1 starts now and ends on August 7th, 1 a.m. CEST. All night actions must be sent in by that deadline; after Night comes the Deliberation Phase.

The defendants are

Arugula

,

Thor665

and

Nocmen

.

[IceGuy]

Deliberation Phase 1 starts now and ends on August 10th, 11 a.m. CEST. PMs will be sent out shortly.