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[Jarvis]

What is the benefit of that bullshit semantics argument, really? You know what he means.

[Jarvis]

Also DV, I'm still struggling to understand your behaviour around lynch time. You weren't too opposed to a McStab lynch, but your reason for this suggests you were against him being quicklynched - you felt he could be read better given a few more posts. You also would have preferred a Shamrock lynch. So for all reasons, you should have been opposed to that lynch as it went. You were around pretty much THE WHOLE TIME.

AT NO POINT did you oppose the lynch in any way. You just sat around and active lurked along.

I'll be frank, your whole reaction around the lynch there reads as scum taken aback by his buddy getting quicklynched and not sure how to react. Caught halfway between bussing and defending, with your almost-vote and wagon commentating and your complaint of all the CO-wagoners jumping to McStab.

More votes this way please. Have 666 killed tonight by whoever wants a believable vig-claim.

Vote count?

[Staeg]

Have 666 killed tonight by whoever wants a believable vig-claim.

Re: this... well, not that I oppose a 666 vig, but mr. 10 posts over there is kinda asking for a bullet (or knife) between his eyes, too

[Jarvis]

I can go with a 666 lynch/CO vig if I get my DV lynch tomorrow.

[DCLXVI]

What is the benefit of that bullshit semantics argument, really? You know what he means.

Of course I knew what he meant. It was a joke. Why are you being so uptight about it?

[IceGuy]

You still haven't answered the question, you know.

[Jarvis]

What is the benefit of that bullshit semantics argument, really? You know what he means.

Of course I knew what he meant. It was a joke. Why are you being so uptight about it?

Is this supposed to be an attempt to turn on me? Try harder.

How about you just answer him instead of fucking around like this? You clearly expect him to come back and ask "the right question", so cut the dodging and answer the question you know he was asking.

[DCLXVI]

@Jarvis, I'd expect someone with a sig like yours to take a joke better. Relax dude.

Yes I would be fine with putting a vote on shamrock. But I happen to like the current location of my vote better.

[Jarvis]

SO MANY JOKES YOU GUYS

TOO FUNNY

Save the joking around for when you haven't lateclaimed miller. Or was that a joke too?

So to address that - why do you think your vote is better placed on IceGuy? OH MY GOD I ALREADY POSTED MY CASE will not suffice because it is shit.

[DCLXVI]

Why is my vote on ICEguy, hm, did you not read anything from yesterday? I guess not. Here:

I'll do a comparison of what was said.

mattP, "There are three scum and an SK"
DCL, "This is a multi-ball game."

ICEguy calls my quote a scumslip, but does not call mattP's quote a scumslip. BOTH quotes are definitive opinions on what the scumteam is.

The fact that ICEguy completely ignores mattP and only focuses on me shows he is not approaching this game from a town perspective.

Yes, I used the term multiball incorrectly (I thought sk +scumteam could = multiball), I do think there is an sk, the flavor strongly points to that.

But that doesn't change anything, both me and matt may similar statements, ICEguy only went after mine when according to his post against me, both my and mattP's should be scummy.

[Jarvis]

OH MY GOD I ALREADY POSTED MY CASE will not suffice because it is shit.

Also please read more closely. Why is it

better placed

there than anywhere else, particularly Shamrock?

[DCLXVI]

Why don't you explain why you think it is shit than.

Cause saying it shit is a lot different than proving it is shit.

Just ranting like that won't suffice either.

[Jarvis]

@DCLXVI:

All I see there is "he pushed on Bitmap" and a whole lot of misrepresenting his request for a nameclaim as a massclaim. With a touch of "a nameclaim wouldn't help us catch scum BUT IT IS DANGEROUS" there at the end.

IceGuy has claimed that it would be helpful due to his role. Have you read his role PM? If not, I fail to see how you can denounce this.

And with regard to how it outs town PRs: John F Kennedy. What role would he have? How confidently could you say that?

Your case is shit. Move on.

I guess it's alright for you to not read. I'm sorry for expecting that of you.

[DCLXVI]

That wasn't a reply to my post 734. How about you read the thread.

[Jarvis]

Shamrock wanted to know what my case on ICEguy was, I dug up about 5-6 posts from my ISO which all fully explain why I find ICEguy scummy.

= this is my case. I responded to it.

I swear, if anyone else in this game claims to not know why I think ICEguy is scum after this post they are either retarded or scum themselves.

You don't appear to know why you think IceGuy is scum. Why did you not include this most recent quote in this post?

Nice job changing your case on the go.

Like seriously, I admire the way you so smoothly discard the shitty parts of your case when called on them.

(That doesn't mean you are exempt from responding to

my

post though)

But fine, if you want a response. Part of your alleged case on IceGuy is that his pushing Bitmap was scummy. Why are you focusing so hard on him alone for that? YOUR SOLE FOCUS ON HIM PROVES YOU ARE NOT PLAYING WITH A TOWN MINDSET.

What's the difference?

Have you even moved your vote from IceGuy all game? All I've seen from you since ~page 2 is relentless tunnelling on him for the same old shitty reasons.

VOTE: DCLXVI

(L-1)

The less time you spend in this game, the better. Time to go.

[DeasVail]

Ack, it's actually really close to deadline.

I really want to lynch either Shamrock or Michel. Anyone interested in joining me on one of those two?

How are you flailing?

Also, why do no I not see any Shamrock or Michel in your post? D:

McStab is an ok lynch, but I don't like compromising on lynches

[Bitmap]

I'll read over this shitstorm in a bit. Sorry if I haven't been as active.

[DeasVail]

Jarvis, how would you feel if everyone suddenly wagoned Chaos?

[MichelSableheart]

Regarding the first point, you're saying that my argument is made less valid by the fact that it was page 2, but your mention of it in your hammer post indicates a greater significance than what you imply in this latest post.

Your argument seems to be that my argumentation felt of. Since I only argued the point on page 2 (my hammerpost only mentioned rolefishing without argumentation), that does make your argument less valid. Also, how does my post #643 imply that the argument isn't significant anymore? That post even explains why I still believe it's suspicious.

The back and forth between IceGuy and 666 feels incredible unhelpful. It's filling pages upon pages with garbage that only causes unclarity. @666: please assume that your thoughts are never obvious, your previous posts must have been unclear, and just answer questions when they're asked. It shouldn't be the case that a question asked in post #666 gets answered in post #697 if you post at least 10 times in between. Or worse, that a question asked in post #68 gets finally answered in post #434 after multiple requests for an answer. Basically, if you're town, a large number of other players in the game are on your side. It helps if you try to work with rather then against them.

Anyway, I can understand why IceGuy chooses to focus on 666's setup speculation while ignoring MattP's. MattP virtually immediately references "standard setup", making it pretty clear that Matt's speculating instead of having inside info. 666 's "multiball game" also doesn't look like inside info to me, though, considering that BitMap immediately brought up the possibility of an SK and noone mentioned the possibility of a vig before IceGuy did.

@jarvis: There are two benefits I can see to a late miller claim for scum. First, it keeps options open, allowing 666 to discuss during night 1 whether or not he's a likely cop target and therefore should claim miller. Secondly, it's one more target for the cop to investigate during night 1, making the cop investigating his partners during that night less likely.

Don't think kill flavour is specific enough to warrant a mass nameclaim, especially considering potential scum fakeclaims. Don't like the idea of leaving 666 alive for a vig; the Amrun kill reads too much like SK kill to me for that.

[DeasVail]

By the way,

I'M OPPOSED TO A DCL LYNCH.

I have a weak town read on DCL, and am not super confident, but I think that I should try sharing why.

Overall, I just think his play has been too free(?) for scum, and I don't think he's that scummy really. If he was scum he probably would have talked over the possibility of claiming miller day 2 with a scum partner, but his flawed reasoning for it makes this somewhat unlikely. I don't think the miller claim makes DCL more town, but I don't find it particularly scummy either, and the rest of his posting gives me a weak town read.

If he's scum, then once again, well done to those who have caught him, but I do think he's town here. Please ask me as many questions as you want, because I'm not sure if I've expressed my townread on him properly.

PEdit: Also note that Michel's focus is on dismantling my argument, rather than clarifying his thoughts/actions and presenting himself as town.

[Bitmap]

I'm unvoting before someone hammers when I didn't get to read anything.

UNVOTE:

[Jarvis]

Jarvis, how would you feel if everyone suddenly wagoned Chaos?

Not bad, but he's vig fodder. I'd join on if I got a 666-vig in return.

Your quoted posts don't show you actually trying to encourage anyone to join you. That timidly asking is not persuading. There's no "hey guys, this is why Michel/Shamrock should be lynched over McStab". Again, half measures suggest scum unsure of what to do.

Re: Discussing miller claim - what if he

didn't have

a partner?

Please explain what it is about his posting that reads weak town.

Don't like the idea of leaving 666 alive for a vig; the Amrun kill reads too much like SK kill to me for that.

But at least if we have an uncooperative SK he cuts off any hope of a vig fakeclaim, and we know what we're working with? We could always lynch the next day.

[DeasVail]

I don't have anything very solid, but it's his sarcasm, his persistence in going after amrun and Iceguy despite it not being the popular opinion, and I feel his reaction to the pressure has been fairly townish as well. Maybe he doesn't have a partner, but a miller claim still feels weird after the flip of a tracker. I don't have anymore time now, and as I said, I'm not really that confident in DCL-town.

[DCLXVI]

You don't appear to know why you think IceGuy is scum. Why did you not include this most recent quote in this post?

Maybe because people were saying that I had not had a case on ICEguy DAY 1. I was trying to show that yes I did have a case on ICEguy day 1.

And why can't I add to my case if ICEguy continues to do scummy things?

[DCLXVI]

Also, I believe that both parts of my case are valid.

I don't get why you say my case on him can't grow. That's a bunch of bs and you know it.