Open 428 - Double Day Unlimited

[Agent_Ireland]

Vote Count 2.03

Guy_Named_Riggs: (L-4)

PMysterious: Guy_Named_Riggs, VoidedMafia (L-2)

Absta101: PMysterious, VoidedMafia(L-2)

Venrob: CryMeARiver, (L-3)

VoidedMafia: CryMeARiver (L-3)

CryMeARiver: (L-4)

Edit: this is awesome, I didn't even try to get it at the top of the page

[absta101]

VOTE: CMAR
VOTE: Voided

GNR is still the second town read.
Voided is the first lynch.

[CryMeARiver]

Well no...I'm actually attacking the plan and you. But nice try.

Ya see, the plan is scummy (and hence, so is the person who posted it) because you are townhunting instead of scumhunting. Scum can easily act like town; in fact, they have to. But it is not town's job to act like scum. Townhunting as a process of elimination technique is a poor tactic and is scummy.

Also, cute that the second I find you scummy your read of this:

I'll get back to you Voided, don't worry.
Anyway, no one lynch yet.
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Okay, i've thought about this and i've come up with a plan that can get us in a better position.

From my perspective:

1. I know i'm town for a fact.
2.

I have town read on CMAR.

(Up for debate)
3. That leaves 2 unknowns and 2 scum. To secure a lynch of scum we need to find one more town read, that way we're at 1 unknown and 2 scum. We might mislynch on our first shot but we'll definitely hit scum on our second. If that happens we will be at 2-1 tomorrow.

Now, we all need to decide upon a town read other than CMAR

. This could be hard or easy depending on if scum are lurking or not.
(This is from my perspective for now.)

@Voided

@Voided

1. From my recent experience with you, you don't do that as town.
2. Your "opinions" seem to get molded by CMAR too easily. You had a town read on Venrob but as soon as CMAR takes the throne you vote Venrob.

1. ...I don't remember playing with you before. I remember modding a game with you in it, yes.

2. completely ignores (AGAIN) the context behind my reads (and apparantly ignores everything I said prior to CMAR piping up), so I'll explain.

Coming into D2, everyone except you I essentially wanted dead for no content and effective lurking (and in PM's case, rampant AtE and general uselessness). For Ven in particular, I did have a townread on him, but it wasn't overly strong (largely because he had been V/LA, which cuts into reading people), but the lack of content was generally eroding that. CMAR challenged me to re-read at least PM and Venrob, which I did over the weekened. This allowed me to realize that some things I was blowing off before were actually scummy (or that some things, now that something comparatively worse is no longer in the picture, are actually scummy), which allowed me to re-evaluate Ven to be a slightly scumread instead.

1. I replaced out but we played together in doctors and cops.
2. Okay, w/e, you win.

Are you fucking happy now?
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@CMAR

Why is the plan scummy? It's towns best chance at beating you.

I'm almost 100% certain you're scum

.

to this in less than a page. And the only thing that happened in between is I called you and your plan out. What's your play here absta. Eliminate me and Voided so you can do whatever you want with the inactives?

[CryMeARiver]

I'm due to reread absta now I think.

[absta101]

because you are townhunting instead of scumhunting.

That's how these plans always go for me. I've played one scum game out of many, finding town is easier for me and it's how I play endgame.
The thing that you choose not to understand is that if you follow the plan town's chance of winning increases. The only uncertainty is the ability of you to find town.
I've got GNR as a town read, all I need is one more.

Scum can easily act like town

No.

Townhunting as a process of elimination technique is a poor tactic and is scummy.

1. It's not scummy at all.
2. I've attempted this technique twice endgame. The first time I made a horrible mistake and this "technique" won us the game. The second time the plan destroyed scums chance of winning.
Now this is the first time i've ever tried it with two scum but it should work out the same way. Without a plan we're left with a ton of uncertainty and

only two lynches

.

There's no harm in using the plan unless you're scum. What do you say?

[CryMeARiver]

because you are townhunting instead of scumhunting.

That's how these plans always go for me. I've played one scum game out of many, finding town is easier for me and it's how I play endgame.
The thing that you choose not to understand is that if you follow the plan town's chance of winning increases. The only uncertainty is the ability of you to find town.
I've got GNR as a town read, all I need is one more.

Scum can easily act like town

No.

Townhunting as a process of elimination technique is a poor tactic and is scummy.

1. It's not scummy at all.
2. I've attempted this technique twice endgame. The first time I made a horrible mistake and this "technique" won us the game. The second time the plan destroyed scums chance of winning.
Now this is the first time i've ever tried it with two scum but it should work out the same way. Without a plan we're left with a ton of uncertainty and

only two lynches

.

There's no harm in using the plan unless you're scum. What do you say?

If you'd listen, there is harm.

It is scum's job to act like town.

It is not town's job to act like scum.

It is better and more useful to scumhunt than townhunt right now.

And statements like that at the end, while you may think they're putting pressure on me, are ultimatums that now you're going to say automatically make me scum when in fact making an ultimatum like that is scummy.

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

Upon rereading some of the pages, especially with CMaR activity now, list is more so like this now

PM
Ven
Absta
CMR
Voided


PM still hasn't done a whole lot and that vote on Absta just seemed very odd.
Venmar still hasn't posted his suppossed catch-up post so he's still somewhat null to me
Absta's recent play has just made me more confused on the game
CMR has been active now and his posts seem genuine.
Voided still looks and acts town to me (even if she does seem agitated) Anger isn't an indicative of alignment, both town and scum players can get mad.

[Voidedmafia]

Attack the plan, not me. You're pathetic.

Flail more, scum.

VOTE: CMAR
VOTE: Voided

GNR is still the second town read.
Voided is the first lynch.

What, scum? Mad that we aren't following your plan?

'Course, I don't really give two shits about the plan, but your reaction to the negative attention given to it is scummy as all hell.

GNR: 1st, it's Venrob not Venmar and I'm a he.

2nd, what else? Slightly more original but still pretty darn lacking. What do you think of Absta's plan?

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

Sorry, venmar is in another game I'm in. It's confusing for me.

you mean this plan?

I'll get back to you Voided, don't worry.
Anyway, no one lynch yet.
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Okay, i've thought about this and i've come up with a plan that can get us in a better position.

From my perspective:

1. I know i'm town for a fact.
2. I have town read on CMAR. (Up for debate)
3. That leaves 2 unknowns and 2 scum. To secure a lynch of scum we need to find one more town read, that way we're at 1 unknown and 2 scum. We might mislynch on our first shot but we'll definitely hit scum on our second. If that happens we will be at 2-1 tomorrow.

Now, we all need to decide upon a town read other than CMAR. This could be hard or easy depending on if scum are lurking or not.
(This is from my perspective for now.)

It's hard for us to follow this plan due to that meaning we would have to agree Absta is town. If he's actually scum, we're fucked
Second, he says that his town read on CMAR is up for debate, implying that he doesn't really care about his thoughts on CMAR and wants others to say it for him (If Absta flips scum, CMAR would be a good place to start since it looks like distancing)
2 unknowns for him, which would mean that we would have to agree with him 100% that he is town and that his reads are 100% accurate.

In other words, flawed in the sense that
1.) We're not going to get an agreement that absta is 100% percent town
2.) There's no gauruntee that his reads are 100% correct. He could be setting up the perfect scum win with 2 mislynches.

[absta101]

Finally, an actual response

In other words, flawed in the sense that
1.) We're not going to get an agreement that absta is 100% percent town

I've already thought that through. Just replace my name with yours so it's from your perspective.

From my perspective I need 1 more town read.
From your perspective you need 2 more (if I don't count)

2.) There's no gauruntee that his reads are 100% correct.

The reads are not only mine, we decide who's part of the town group together.

[Voidedmafia]

Finally, an actual response

Like CMAR's wasn't?

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

Yes, we decide as a whole who is town (those who don't get lynched) but by looking at your plan, it seems we need to trust that your reads are certain.

[absta101]

Riggs go read post #368.

[CryMeARiver]

Your plan is nothing special and nothing reminiscent of town. You just described how a player can play the game of mafia. Congrats on nothing.

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

Riggs go read post #368.

Your point?

[CryMeARiver]

Wait wait wait.

Absta.

You mean we figure out who is town.

And we figure out who is scum.

And then we lynch the scum??????????

Holy shit, mind. blown.

[PMysterious]

Um, Absta. I'm not going to replace out. I rather die in game than just give up in the middle of it.

[Voidedmafia]

Um, Absta. I'm not going to replace out. I rather die in game than just give up in the middle of it.

Then make yourself useful.

[absta101]

@Riggs

1.) We're not going to get an agreement that absta is 100% percent town

Absta
Very town, imo. All his posts are actively involved in the game, trying to figure out scum is.

Of course we don't know that the other person is 100% town. The point is that we have to have a town read on them.
We just need one more town then we can lynch 2/3 of the remaining people with at least one confirmed scum kill.

[Agent_Ireland]

(expired on 2012-08-15 21:00:00)

until night 2

Venrob has been prodded and has until 9:00 a.m. August 10th to post.

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

@Absta, reads can change. No matter what they were before. Someone can go from a top town read to top scum read. Did you read post #481?

[absta101]

w/e I don't care anymore. I'll support any lynch.

[CryMeARiver]

Venrobscum of 4 days gone needs to hang. Though I'm sort of worried. Scum should be a little more active.

[absta101]

VOTE: Venrob

We got 6 days.

[CryMeARiver]

*jeopardy music*

You guys realize we have to get 2 lynches done in 5 days right?