Open 438: Masons and Mafia - Game Over

[Whiskers]

if seil's vote puts PG at L-2, then DJD's vote puts him at L-1, which is to say, "Why hasn't

PG

shot anypony yet?"

Not to mention that the wagon formed incredibly fast, meaning that scum aren't opposing it (and therefore are in favour of it).
unvote.

[ProsecutorGodot]

I'm thinking Greywing is town. What's incriminating about him? That he called you scum? You already admitted you quit reading my thoughts when I called you a scum read. Read on and see the rest of the reasoning.

Gnarl is leaning scum. Now that I put what I did out there about McStab, here's what GG said in Post 197.

If Om flips town though I would still lynch McStab because his interaction is pretty low except for jumping on the "wagon" to lynch you started by either Whiskers or Om iirc, and a bit of interplay.

Now that we know McStab is that much more likely town, this comes into question. But I'd rather try for the one I see as the scum leading the other three (now two) first rather than try to work our way up the chain. Lynch their leader and they lose hope.

Mala is a null read for me. She pursued McStab earlier (again proven likely town since), but changed her mind about him with the flip.

And who (besides Sala) isn't interested in self-preservation? Who won't fight tooth and nail to live? My vote on Pasch may seem desperate to you, but, then again, you didn't even read any of my reasoning when you saw "DJD is likely scum." And I still think that since that shows me you aren't reading very carefully.

[ProsecutorGodot]

EBWDP: Now that I look at Whiskers's post, that reminds me of what I think the scum's tactics are now as far as shooting goes.

"Wait until L-1. If you miss, you were going to die anyway."

They'll probably claim at L-1, then shoot. They work out as much as they can about the Masons, then take the shot when they are about to go.

[ProsecutorGodot]

Also, Paschen can probably see his plan going full speed ahead. As soon as Sala died, he started up a quicklynch that everyone is believing. His job isn't too hard, it seems. And if I die, it won't seem much harder to get McStab lynched D2 since, again, he has effectively lined him up for the next lynch.

[Malakittens]

Am I not allowed to change my mind about McStab from looking at Sala's posts?

[ProsecutorGodot]

You are, I know. You just seemed to speculate on McStab being scum before heel-face-turning to call him town.

[DoubleJD]

7 to lynch, not 6. My vote is L-2.

@pg: come now, the post after i said i stopped reading implies i finished. Grey is scummy becasue he tried to kill my argument against sala by calling it tunneling, which now looks like a defense of sala. In addition, he calls him town several times when there wasnt reason to think so.

[Malakittens]

Well.. some of his posts didn't make sense in Day 1, but they still don't, but due to Sala everything just got thrown out the window.

It's okay. People don't think it's helpful, but VC/Flips help me get my reads together to catch scum. I have noticed scum tend to go into certain patterns, but you just need a flip to figure it out. Even a town flip would eventually help me figure out the higher chances of someone being scum and someone being town.

[DoubleJD]

Let me put it differently.

Suppose there is a scum buddy that wants to defend sala. Probably the easiest way to do this is to just say "aw djd is just tunneling! ignore plz". It makes it so you dont have to actually defend against the argument at hand, frees you to attack the accuser (which grey did), all while also slowing down the sala train.

Grey's scum, and you not seeing it establishes a link between you two in addition to the one with sala

[greygnarl]

Am I not allowed to change my mind about

McStab

Sala from looking at Sala's

posts

flip?

I had been working on the assumption that Sala just had a very loud and grating playstyle. In one game that I had read through the town rushed to a lynch on somebody who was loud and grating like Sala, but he flipped innocent. Sala joined in 2010 and I couldn't see an experienced scum drawing so much attention to themselves early in the game.

Since Sala spent so much focus on McStab I'm going to

Unvote

and

Vote:PG

because of his obvcoaching to Sala.

[ProsecutorGodot]

And now here you are going about lining people up for the lynch.

As I've explained (you did read that, right?) Sala, and later Pasch, planted a link that he knew would lead to a mislynch once he died. That's why he rolled over and self-voted. He completed his mission in establishing the two of us as partners on the same side. Just to see his "nemesis" take the fall once his slips doomed him. He took the shot knowing it would knock someone off his wagon if successful or buy a mislynch if it backfired.

come now, the post after i said i stopped reading implies i finished.

It implies you didn't care at the time. And not caring implies you know who is and isn't scum. This looks like scum actively pushing for the quicklynch more than the one who started it. I still stand firm in Pasch/DJD scum due to one taking care not to get Sala killed and the other having shown he was distancing, but I think this is a more likely lynch for this day now that I see DJD's responses.

VOTE: DoubleJD

@greygnarl: Obvcoaching? Why would I coach someone like him? Even if the real scum coached him through some encrypted message, he probably didn't even take that cue right.

[ProsecutorGodot]

Am I not allowed to change my mind about

McStab

Sala from looking at Sala's

posts

flip?

I had been working on the assumption that Sala just had a very loud and grating playstyle. In one game that I had read through the town rushed to a lynch on somebody who was loud and grating like Sala, but he flipped innocent. Sala joined in 2010 and I couldn't see an experienced scum drawing so much attention to themselves early in the game.

And I believe that completes our remaining scumteam. Why run on this ludicrous assumption? Wait, I have a guess. You're setting Mala up in order to give the town another option for a mislynch. Here everyone is following Paschendale's lie that "He coached Sala, he must be scum."

Well, since I'm at L-1, here goes. I'm a mason. Fire away if you dare.

[DoubleJD]

Yes, he 'planted' a link early game knowing he would die and everyone would go back and read those 1-2 posts and instantly infer you were buddies. Yeah no.

Another desperation vote from you. You're arguing to win the argument instead of using what you have to find my role. I stopped reading your post to question your attack on me because its ridiculous, its still ridiculous.

You're ok with linking people together now? Thats odd considering you've been arguing with me all game about not doing exactly that.

Obv bitterness over sala 'ignoring cues' from you.

Hammer plz

[Greywing]

I didn't want to have to do this, but I can confirm him.

Everyone unvote.

[Malakittens]

Huh? Explain?!

[DoubleJD]

Grey, you would never out as mason to save PG unless

A) You were both masons

B) You were both scum

But, if you were both masons, why would you tell scum both that PG was a mason, and so were you? There wasnt any certainty he'd get shot, but if you are really a mason, now there is certainty that both of you would be.

We found 2 scum guys!

[Greywing]

VOTE: DoubleJD

[DoubleJD]

Grey, tell me how you know for a 100% fact that PG is town and that you'd do this as a townie.

[Malakittens]

Yeah, outing results in two deaths if you really are masons. Which is why I think GW is most likely scum trying to save his buddy right now. >.>

[Greywing]

Grey, tell me how you know for a 100% fact that PG is town and that you'd do this as a townie.

Well, my claim makes it fairly obvious why I know .

[ProsecutorGodot]

I wasn't okay with linking people together when we wouldn't be able to tell if they were scum or masons. Now that we have a scum flip, we go for the scum associated with the dead scum.

He latched himself on to someone. Why not the opponent he was butthurt with?

Show me where those cues are, then. If you're so sure I've been coaching the scum, what proof do you have as far as how the one proven scum has acted?

How is my case on you ridiculous? How can you say that when you continue to admit you don't care because you're riding a mislynch wagon? And once again line people up for the lynch? You realize you are continually screwing yourself over. Once I flip green,

you're

the one who's next.

[Malakittens]

Which is why I believe you are lying GW. I know what you are trying to claim. You are claiming Mason, but if you are truly both Masons you are both dying at a daykill, but if you don't die right now without a Daykill. I'm willing to bet you are both scum.

Vote is staying where it is.

[maxwell]

Vote Count

• ProsecutorGodot (6)
  : Paschendale Malakittens McStab seilkops DoubleJD greygnarl
  
• DoubleJD (2)
  : ProsecutorGodot Greywing
  
• Not voting:
  Hyperion Om of the Nom Pressed Bunson Whiskers

With 12 alive it is 7 to lynch.

[ProsecutorGodot]

@Mod: I would like to request a prod for Pressed Bunson. PB isn't even in the activity overview and the game has gone on for 4 days now.

[Whiskers]

Greywing, what's your read on McStab?