Mini 1353 - Dr. Who Mafia - The End of Time (Game Over)

[GreyICE]

If he's scum, then we win. That's how it helps. That was your plan yesterday. What changed?

If he's scum we win if we lynch him on day 3 or day 6. Nothing changes, T-Bone. We don't get points for having more townies alive.

Why are you trying to invent a lynch on someone who will never ever ever be lynched before 3P LyLo?

[T-Bone]

I didn't invent anything. When he originally claimed you were all about lynching him today, so I was asking why that's no longer the case, and now I see. I've honestly never encountered vengeful townie before now. But that's besides the point.

Moving on. If Starbuck is scum, why did Acomist get lynched? She was in a position to put me at L-1 and save him if they were scumbuddies. I don't see how Starbuck makes sense as scum because of that.

[GreyICE]

Because if we lynched town yesterday, today would be 4:2 (in theory). Then we lynch the vengeful, and he can shoot for a second lynch. If he's scum, well, jackpot. If he's town, well, if he hits scum we go to a proper 2:1 LyLo and our numbers are evened out.

The successful protect last night means that it's 6:1, which means that he de-evens the numbers. That's terrible, we like odd numbers. But in Lylo, well, if we lynch him and he's town, there's still 1 townie alive, and he gets to take a shot. 50/50. Or he's scum and lulz.

Whose your other suspect? Triangle? I'm not against a Triangle lynch.

[T-Bone]

I'm trying to think logically who would be scum. If it's Starbuck/Acomist, why does Starbuck give him up(originally), when they could possibly be in LyLo today? I could see her doing it if it was between her and Acomist from the beginning, but that was a last minute swing. Triangle, was with me on the lynch pretty early. Maybe he thought because you were calling Acomist town that he wouldn't be lynched, so he was safe to camp on his buddy? But, at the same time, both of them could be looking for some town credit by distancing from their partner. Then we have CMAR's claim, which is a good scum safe-claim because there is only one way to prove it. But it's also a good town weapon in LyLo. Triangle stayed steadfast on Acomist early in the day. Starbuck and CMAR both jumped on and off and back on the wagon. I'd say it's between Triangle and Starbuck in this case.

So, everyone else needs to check in.

[Kdub]

Vote Count 4.1 - As of post 854

Starbuck (2) - GreyICE, Zang

Not Voting (5) - Greenknight, Starbuck, T-Bone, triangle123, CryMeARiver

The Current deadline is August 23, 2012 at 7:30pm EDT. Countdown is (expired on 2012-08-23 19:30:00).

With 7 active votes - 4 are required to lynch.

Activity Check - All currently good.

[Starbuck]

So, why me, Grey?

Case, please.

1) We have three lynches, and I have town reads on Zang and Greenknight, CMAR isn't dying, and I'm willing to give T-Boner a day for Acosmist. Although it's probably not a horrible scum strategy to ignore the kafluffle between Tierce/Jason, trust Tierce being good and your night kills to pull you through and distance like hell.
2) You're scum
3) LOL@ three different ways to stop kills (unless you think scum no-killed last night)
4) Dat claim, dat claim

I'm not scum. If you are town, you're not trying to figure things out more better.

If you're scum, you are looking for an easy lynch.

[Starbuck]

Grey, why did you leave triangle out of your 846?

[Starbuck]

I wasn't sure if Acosmist was going to flip scum or not. That's why I unvoted at the end of yesterday, but I didn't want us to end in a no lynch and thus still have that 1v1 vs T-Bone and Acosmist going. I'm pretty sure that T-Bone is town at this point, unless they played the distance game and are fooling us all.

CMAR, how do you feel about Grey?

[CryMeARiver]

Waiting for greenknight to come and tell me who he blocked so we can win this shit (or triangle I suppose, but more likely greenknight). I guess I'll read and answer your questions though.

[GreyICE]

Grey, why did you leave triangle out of your 846?

Because he's on the list of people who must die.

I mean seriously.

Must die.

Like I'm not even close to joking here.

[GreyICE]

Waiting for greenknight to come and tell me who he blocked so we can win this shit (or triangle I suppose, but more likely greenknight). I guess I'll read and answer your questions though.

MoI is not anti-doctors in the least. Doctor-hider has some hilarious anti-synergy going as far as the doctor on the investigative role goes. And we are dealing with a scumteam that's heavy on the goons (2 goons, that's nonstandard for MoI games, meaning this is lower powered).

[Starbuck]

So if triangle must die, why are you voting for me?

Why must I die? What have I done that's worse than triangle?

[CryMeARiver]

Waiting for greenknight to come and tell me who he blocked so we can win this shit (or triangle I suppose, but more likely greenknight). I guess I'll read and answer your questions though.

MoI is not anti-doctors in the least. Doctor-hider has some hilarious anti-synergy going as far as the doctor on the investigative role goes. And we are dealing with a scumteam that's heavy on the goons (2 goons, that's nonstandard for MoI games, meaning this is lower powered).

True true.

If there is a doctor out there, if your save wasn't me you might as well go ahead and claim for 3 clears.

If it was me, I'll take silence as a confirmation of that.

Yes T-Bone, I'm clear for all intents and purposes since my death and or town victory is inevitable. And the idea that mafia might claim vengeful is stupid. Plus I hammered scum.

If you're a roleblocker, go ahead and claim.

If there is a cop out there, your "innocents" at this point might not be innocent as I'd imagine the final scum is a roleblocker or godfather. But that's mafia speculation.

I really don't see the harm in a massclaim though.

Starbuck is town to me personally. Acosmist switching the lynch to her right before the deadline didn't make sense if they were buddies. Personally I could see T-Bone scum because Acosmist had no reason to switch that lynch because, to be honest, I had a better chance on hammering T-Bone before Acosmist than Starbuck before Acosmist.

T-Bone was intent on Acosmist for a long time though. That's heavy duty bussing if he's scum.

Why is Zang town again?

I'm due for a reread.

[greenknight]

By night 2, scum must have been feeling pretty desperate with Tierce dead and Acosmist having already picked up considerable amounts of suspicion on day 2. Therefore I don't think we can confirm anyone as town for voting or attacking Acosmist on day 3, as the last scum bussing for cover is likely. Also it's quite possible that scum intentionally no-killed last night, either if the last scum is a rolecop and IDed a town blocker, or if it's CMAR with a vengeful claim gambit having to no-kill to put numbers on even/odd and get out of being an autolynch today anyway.

I don't trust anyone completely. I do have greyice and T-bone as medium strength town reads. Greyice lost some town points for trying so hard to NOT lynch acosmist and T-bone gained some for pushing acos since day 1 (Although I suppose this could still be a double bus.) Triangle is a weaker town read primarily based on Tierce interactions. Zang was also townish yesterday and hasn't said anything that flags up as suspicious to me since then. That leaves CMAR and Starbuck for now.

I don't like this rolefishy post from CMAR:

Waiting for greenknight to come and tell me who he blocked so we can win this shit (or triangle I suppose, but more likely greenknight). I guess I'll read and answer your questions though.

Starbuck, if you aren't scum then who is?

[CryMeARiver]

By night 2, scum must have been feeling pretty desperate with Tierce dead and Acosmist having already picked up considerable amounts of suspicion on day 2. Therefore I don't think we can confirm anyone as town for voting or attacking Acosmist on day 3, as the last scum bussing for cover is likely. Also it's quite possible that scum intentionally no-killed last night, either if the last scum is a rolecop and IDed a town blocker, or if it's CMAR with a vengeful claim gambit having to no-kill to put numbers on even/odd and get out of being an autolynch today anyway.

I don't trust anyone completely. I do have greyice and T-bone as medium strength town reads. Greyice lost some town points for trying so hard to NOT lynch acosmist and T-bone gained some for pushing acos since day 1 (Although I suppose this could still be a double bus.) Triangle is a weaker town read primarily based on Tierce interactions. Zang was also townish yesterday and hasn't said anything that flags up as suspicious to me since then. That leaves CMAR and Starbuck for now.

I don't like this rolefishy post from CMAR:

Waiting for greenknight to come and tell me who he blocked so we can win this shit (or triangle I suppose, but more likely greenknight). I guess I'll read and answer your questions though.

Starbuck, if you aren't scum then who is?

Except I'm clear for all intents and purposes because I AM DYING ANYWAY. No matter what, I will be lynched.

[Starbuck]

It could definitely be T-Bone and if it is, then he's got all of us fooled. It could also be triangle. Grey could definitely be a contender as well, especially for the jump off of the Acosmist lynch.

I did just watch this episode of Doctor Who (with Father and Sister of Mine) and am caught up to the end of Season 3. I'm wondering if we have the entire family (4) or a lesser amount. After watching this episode, I can't see MoI leaving out Brother of Mine.

It also explains why the Doctor was an SK as in this episode, he is concealed as a human and has to be reawakened as the Doctor.

[greenknight]

Ok, rules question: If we get to 2-1 LYLO and lynch a vengeful townie, do scum instantly win by comprising 50% of remaining players or does the vengeful get to do his kill first?

[Zang]

I suppose I'd be willing to vote for triangle also. although, he has been a gut town read of mine for a while.

I don't see GreyICE as scum avoiding the Acosmist wagon especially since he voted for T-Bone instead.

I did just watch this episode of Doctor Who (with Father and Sister of Mine) and am caught up to the end of Season 3. I'm wondering if we have the entire family (4) or a lesser amount. After watching this episode, I can't see MoI leaving out Brother of Mine.

I think that is likely although I'm not sure that all 4 would be scum.

Ok, rules question: If we get to 2-1 LYLO and lynch a vengeful townie, do scum instantly win by comprising 50% of remaining players or does the vengeful get to do his kill first?

I'm not sure a vengeful townie would be considered dead in cases such as this until after he got his kill.

[greenknight]

I suppose I'd be willing to vote for triangle also. although, he has been a gut town read of mine for a while.

Why?


Also, another observation - apart from Greyice (who attacked Tierce d1) everyone else came down against Acosmist, so clearly some bussing has taken place here. Been looking through Acosmist iso for a bit but can't find a reliable tell, he was probably expecting to be lynched by the midpoint of the day so too much WIFOM involved in whom he attacks.

[triangle123]

Starbuck and Greenknight are town. But I think I'm going to go ahead and VOTE: Zang. I don't like the way he's been sort of skating by throughout the game by posting relatively frequently but with the majority of it being responses to quotes or asking questions, which isn't always necessarily scummy but in his case, he doesn't seem to be doing much analysis. For example, in Day 1, he voted and attacked GK for a bit, but then after he jumped off (saying he still found him scummy but not enough to vote him), he didn't vote again. Being reluctant to vote by itself isn't necessarily scummy, but I don't like his reluctance to discuss reads or do much analysis. Most of his posts are responding to quotes or asking questions, but it's very infrequent that he delves deeper than that.

[T-Bone]

I don't see GreyICE as scum avoiding the Acosmist wagon especially since he voted for T-Bone instead.

What? That doesn't make sense to me.

@Triangle - Are you trying in a roundabout way to call Zang "too townie"?

[triangle123]

...What? I'm saying he's scummy because he doesn't seem to be doing much analysis.

[MagnaofIllusion]

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[Starbuck]

Zang, why are you voting for me?

[Starbuck]

She is the only person who I don't think is town.

For the record, this isn't a case.