Mini 1349: Words with Scum (Game over!)

[AurorusVox]

In that case you would have asked me what letters you had, not when I did it.
You can bus Vijay first but you won't get any towncred from it.

[Robocopter87]

I did ask you what letters I had, but I also asked you when you did it.

[AurorusVox]

What motivation was there in asking when?

[Robocopter87]

Make sure you got your story straight.

[Robocopter87]

That's what I was trying to say to Robo MoI. Anyway somebody reveal a P so I can investigate somebody for reals this time.

You have got to be kidding me.

[MagnaofIllusion]

MoI, are you honestly more willing to lynch me than Vijay?

Do you honestly believe that what I did is more incriminating than Vijay?

First off I appreciate you addressing me as if I am not one of your scum-reads in this. It shows that you don’t actually think I am scum otherwise you’d be calling me scum with Vijay.

Why shouldn’t I lynch you today over Vijay? You are both scum IMO and the ordering to me doesn’t significantly matter in a game like this.

[Voidedmafia]

Post 1294 is more a less a scum claim.

yeeaaaah, more or less.

And also just because everything Vijay did doesn't quite add up, doesn't mean he isn't scum. Just because there a few puzzle pieces missing doesn't mean you can't tell what the entire puzzle looks like.

Vijay needs to die.

So you possibly think Vijay isn't scum, yet he needs to die?

Ain't that a little...wacky?

Why shouldn’t I lynch you today over Vijay? You are both scum IMO and the ordering to me doesn’t significantly matter in a game like this.

I don't know. Vijay's 1291 is pretty incriminating.

[Robocopter87]

MoI, are you honestly more willing to lynch me than Vijay?

Do you honestly believe that what I did is more incriminating than Vijay?

First off I appreciate you addressing me as if I am not one of your scum-reads in this. It shows that you don’t actually think I am scum otherwise you’d be calling me scum with Vijay.

Why shouldn’t I lynch you today over Vijay? You are both scum IMO and the ordering to me doesn’t significantly matter in a game like this.

You are scum. I believe that. However, unlike you, I am not one of those people who has to constantly say it to the point it becomes condescending. Me yelling at you that you are scumsack of scummy scum won't get you to answer my questions. Besides, Vijay is 10x scummier atm.

VIJAY killed LLD. VIJAY created a quicklynch. VIJAY attempted to cover it up by saying it was a "gambit". Which is a load of BS.

My lying may have been wrong but I hurt nobody and saved town resources. I may look bad because of it but I don't care, I stand by what I did.

So you possibly think Vijay isn't scum, yet he needs to die?

Ain't that a little...wacky?

Yes he needs to die.

No it isn't wacky. Nobody is confirmed. There is always the possibility that Vijay isn't scum.

The possibility of him being scum outweighs the possibility of him being town. Its like 95% scum and 5% town. (Obviously estimating).

[MagnaofIllusion]

I don't know. Vijay's 1291 is pretty incriminating.

Meh. At this point we are basically waiting on Quilford to show up so he can process my last flip, some tiles can get picked among those Town who still have not picked, and one of the two gets lynched.

I don't see anything that to me says "Vijay is more dangerous than Robocopter" from a letter standpoint. Heck the fact that Robo stole unknown letters from Peregrine says to me that Robo is more likely dangerous. Again ... I don't think the order greatly matters and frankly I can't really vote Vijay anyway since it would put him at L-1 with Whisperscum ready to quickhammer before tiles are collected.

[MagnaofIllusion]

My lying may have been wrong but I hurt nobody and saved town resources. I may look bad because of it but I don't care, I stand by what I did.

So instead of 'stealing' from dangerous scum reads like Vijay and myself you stole from a player who conveniently died to 'preserve' Town resources. Resources that you have never claimed. And frankly your "I did it for Town" only works so far as you are Town which I believe you are not.

[Robocopter87]

I will also reveal all the letters I currently contain if wished.

I offered to reveal them. Do you wish for me to do so?

I will not do it on your wishes alone, if most of the people here wish for me to do it I will.

[AurorusVox]

So you possibly think Vijay isn't scum, yet he needs to die?

Ain't that a little...wacky?

Yes he needs to die.

No it isn't wacky. Nobody is confirmed. There is always the possibility that Vijay isn't scum.

The possibility of him being scum outweighs the possibility of him being town. Its like 95% scum and 5% town. (Obviously estimating).

This post shows Robo tying himself in circles.

Look closer at what the original Robo post actually says.

And also just because everything Vijay did doesn't quite add up,

doesn't

mean he

isn't

scum. Just because there a few puzzle pieces missing doesn't mean you can't tell what the entire puzzle looks like.

Vijay needs to die.

The original post in NO WAY says that Robo thinks Vijay is "possibly not scum" - that's just Voided misreading the plethora of negatives in the post.

But when challenged on his view, Robo accepts that was what he meant and defends it.

That's scum DEFENSIVELY REACTING to probing by a town player, NOT town trying to clear up what he meant or did not mean when asked by a player of alignment unknown.

He's scrambling and forgetting where he is, because he's having to make it up as he goes along.

If you're not sure on RoboScum, you should now see it clear as day.

[MagnaofIllusion]

UNVOTE: Robocopter

I support the above post but I want to be absolutely sure that we are fully prepared for Night.

@AV / Voided

- at this stage you the players I am most sure about being Town with me. Robo and Vijay are cross-voting. Do you think scum are likely to be doing this at this stage? If only one of them ends up being scum who do you think is more likely of the two.

[MagnaofIllusion]

I offered to reveal them. Do you wish for me to do so?

I will not do it on your wishes alone, if most of the people here wish for me to do it I will.

Yup I think you pretty much have to do so.

For the record - I will hammer you if you get to L-1 and have not claimed said tiles without waiting for said information once Quilford processes my flip and I chose my tile.

[Voidedmafia]

@AV / Voided

- at this stage you the players I am most sure about being Town with me. Robo and Vijay are cross-voting. Do you think scum are likely to be doing this at this stage? If only one of them ends up being scum who do you think is more likely of the two.

THere's been nothing but townflips this entire game. I don't find it unlikely that scum would be willing to sacrifice a member to ensure a better standing (though I suppose at this point if Robo AND Vijay are scum then they're just going to be chainlynched, but still). In short, I think it's likely.

As for which is more likely to be scum if only one is, Vijay is pretty much "must lynch via Lynch All Liars", while Robo does have some genuinely scummy things (the Letter Stealing, and what AVox just pointed out). I'm still of the opinion that Vijay should be lynched at some point, but I think that if I look at it that way Robo is more likely.

[vijay2vasandani]

That's what I was trying to say to Robo MoI. Anyway somebody reveal a P so I can investigate somebody for reals this time.

You have got to be kidding me.

What? I'm obvs not going to be shot anytime soon, so may as well.

[Amrun]

oh my god

why is vijay not dead yet?

we're just spinning our wheels right now

[Robocopter87]

That's what I was trying to say to Robo MoI. Anyway somebody reveal a P so I can investigate somebody for reals this time.

You have got to be kidding me.

What? I'm obvs not going to be shot anytime soon, so may as well.

Because allowing scum to have power letters just because we know they are scum doesn't really work out logically for town.

So you possibly think Vijay isn't scum, yet he needs to die?

Ain't that a little...wacky?

Yes he needs to die.

No it isn't wacky. Nobody is confirmed. There is always the possibility that Vijay isn't scum.

The possibility of him being scum outweighs the possibility of him being town. Its like 95% scum and 5% town. (Obviously estimating).

This post shows Robo tying himself in circles.

Look closer at what the original Robo post actually says.

And also just because everything Vijay did doesn't quite add up,

doesn't

mean he

isn't

scum. Just because there a few puzzle pieces missing doesn't mean you can't tell what the entire puzzle looks like.

Vijay needs to die.

The original post in NO WAY says that Robo thinks Vijay is "possibly not scum" - that's just Voided misreading the plethora of negatives in the post.

But when challenged on his view, Robo accepts that was what he meant and defends it.

That's scum DEFENSIVELY REACTING to probing by a town player, NOT town trying to clear up what he meant or did not mean when asked by a player of alignment unknown.

He's scrambling and forgetting where he is, because he's having to make it up as he goes along.

If you're not sure on RoboScum, you should now see it clear as day.

What?

Seriously I don't understand what you don't get about my Vijay read.

HE IS SCUM.

Is there a possibility of him flipping town? Yeah.

Is it big enough to even come close to changing my read? Heck no.

What don't you understand about that?

I offered to reveal them. Do you wish for me to do so?

I will not do it on your wishes alone, if most of the people here wish for me to do it I will.

Yup I think you pretty much have to do so.

For the record - I will hammer you if you get to L-1 and have not claimed said tiles without waiting for said information once Quilford processes my flip and I chose my tile.

I will not do it on your wishes alone, if most of the people here wish for me to do it I will.

So thats one. Anybody else?

[AurorusVox]

Another one here.

@Amrun, waiting on collect confirmations etc

[Quilford]

Game Board

Spoiler: MagnaofIllusion's flip

MagnaofIllusion flips tile E2...

Spoiler: whispersilk's collect

whispersilk collects tile A3...

Spoiler: AurorusVox's collect

AurorusVox collects tile G4...

Spoiler: Final Board & Activity Log

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Voidedmafia flipped tile A5, revealing a J.
AurorusVox flipped tile K5, revealing an A.
vijay2vasandani flipped tile E4, revealing a G.
Amrun flipped tile C2, revealing a V.
Voidedmafia took tile E6, collecting a W.
whispersilk flipped tile F1, revealing a D.
Robocopter87 flipped tile J1, revealing a K.
MagnaofIllusion flipped tile E2, revealing an A.
whispersilk took tile A3, collecting an unknown...
AurorusVox took tile G4, collecting an unknown...

MagnaofIllusion has used his daily flip.
AurorusVox has used both his daily flip and collect.
Robocopter87 has used his daily flip.
whispersilk has used both her daily flip and collect.
vijay2vasandani has used his daily flip.
Amrun has used her daily flip.
Voidedmafia has used both his daily flip and collect.

--- DAY 3 ------------------------------------------------
Voidedmafia flipped tile D6, revealing a B.
MagnaofIllusion flipped tile E6, revealing a W.
PeregrineV flipped tile H3, revealing an M.
Amrun flipped tile D1, revealing a J.
AurorusVox took tile J6, collecting an unknown...
Amrun took tile H3, collecting an M.
Robocopter87 took tile F3, collecting an S.
Robocopter87 flipped tile K2, revealing an O.
PeregrineV took tile K2, collecting an O.
vijay2vasandani flipped tile J5, revealing an H.
AurorusVox flipped tile B1, revealing an N.

--- DAY 2 ------------------------------------------------
Voidedmafia flipped tile A4, revealing a D.
AurorusVox flipped tile G6, revealing a W.
IceGuy flipped tile H6, revealing an O.
DLCXVI flipped tile B6, revealing an M.
MagnaofIllusion flipped tile B5, revealing an N.
vijay2vasandani flipped tile I4, revealing a G.
2minds1soul took tile I1, collecting an unknown...
Robocopter87 flipped tile F4, revealing an I. 
Lady Lambdadelta flipped tile D3, revealing an R.
Lady Lambdadelta took tile D3, collecting an R.
Robocopter87 took tile I5, collecting an unknown...
IceGuy took tile F4, collecting an I.
MagnaofIllusion took tile E1, collecting an unknown...
Voidedmafia took tile A4, collecting a D.
AurorusVox took tile I4, collecting a G.
whispersilk flipped tile B3, revealing an H.
DCLXVI took tile B6, collecting an M.
Amrun flipped tile F3, revealing an S.
vijay2vasandani took tile H6, collecting an O.
whispersilk took tile B4, collecting an unknown...
Amrun took tile B3, collecting an H.

--- DAY 1 ------------------------------------------------
MagnaofIllusion flipped tile E5, revealing an R.
Hoopla flipped tile K1, revealing a C.
Voidedmafia flipped tile K6, revealing an X.
Lady Lambdadelta flipped tile D4, revealing an N.
Lady Lambdadelta took tile D4, collecting an N.
Robocopter87 flipped tile J2, revealing a P.
Robocopter87 took tile J2, collecting a P.
IceGuy flipped tile A1, revealing a P.
vijay2vasandani flipped tile C4, revealing an R.
2minds1soul flipped tile H4, revealing a C.
AurorusVox flipped tile A6, revealing a T.
Amrun took tile A2, collecting an unknown...
DLCXVI flipped tile F6, revealing a D.
Amrun flipped tile B2, revealing a V.
Arugula flipped tile D2, revealing an M.
Hoopla took tile E5, collecting an R.
whispersilk flipped tile G2, revealing a Z.
AurorusVox took tile A1, collecting a P.
MagnaofIllusion took tile B2, collecting a V.
Voidedmafia took tile C4, collecting an R.
vijay2vasandani took tile K1, collecting a C.
whispersilk took tile D2, collecting an M.
2minds1soul took tile H4, collecting a C.
Arugula took tile C6, collecting an unknown...
DCLXVI took tile A6, collecting a T.
IceGuy took tile F6, collecting a D.

Day 4

vijay2vasandani

(2) Robocopter87, Amrun

Robocopter87

(1) vijay2vasandani

MagnaofIllusion

(1) whispersilk

Not Voting

(3) AurorusVox, Voidedmafia, MagnaofIllusion

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline hits in (expired on 2012-08-19 02:51:10).

MoI has declared Limited Access during weekends.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Collect: F5

Everyone has used their flips and I am satisfied with the collects that have been done myself. I'm going to review but think at this stage we can move forward with lynching from Robo and Vijay if only to bank some time going forward for inevitable discussion I expect after Robo and Vijay have flipped.

[MagnaofIllusion]

What? I'm obvs not going to be shot anytime soon, so may as well.

Yeah you stand a strong chance of taking rope so worrying about the NK is not an issue.

Give me a two or three sentence explanation for why I SHOULDN’T be voting you today Vijay.

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Because allowing scum to have power letters just because we know they are scum doesn't really work out logically for town.

Seems to me the same argument works when applied to you, IMO.

So thats one. Anybody else?

Like I said … you may say my request is not enough but at L-1 I will auto-hammer you.

[AurorusVox]

I think LLD will rage if we don't lynch Vijay today.

Plus presumably Pere had pro-town rather than pro-scum letters. So long as he wasn't packing a Vig

Robo can die tomorrow, Whisper the day after...

[vijay2vasandani]

Because I'm town who derped up a gambit. Vig me or cop me or whatever. But I'm town.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Plus presumably Pere had pro-town rather than pro-scum letters. So long as he wasn't packing a Vig

So let’s look at Pere’s collections ..

2minds1soul took tile H4, collecting a C.
2minds1soul took tile I1, collecting an unknown...
PeregrineV took tile K2, collecting an O.

So Peregrine has 3 unknown letters (his two starters and Day 2 pull). For him to have pulled a Vig would require all three to be uniform and then you have to explain why no-one died Night 2 or Night 3.

Best bet is he MIGHT have had a P and used COP Night 3. I don’t think we necessarily have to worry about Robo shooting tonight if he isn't lynched in any case.

I think LLD will rage if we don't lynch Vijay today.

Well she’s probably already raging that Vijay hasn’t been power-lynched.

Anything else you see as reasons to hold up the day at this point?