Judge, Jury, and Executioner - Over

[Mastermind of Sin]

KoC's general hostility and referring to everyone as f****** ****** does not get him any points either. The burning rage seems a bit over the top.

This is retarded and should not be factored into your case.

[DCLXVI]

gooner seems to have site-flaked, which means his absence from the jury discussion is a null tell. so

unvote gooner, gooner

shadow promised to do a re-read over night one and post content.

I will reread during night and have some comments going into day 2.

Shadow's first and only post day two.

Well so we have some crazy results..

I'm not sure if I buy the "I was executioner" claim, but I know it wasn't DoomYoshi.

If anything, him still being alive confirms my scumread on Nocmen that resulted in my hammering his wagon at the end of day 1.

VOTE: Nocmen
VOTE: Nocmen
VOTE: KoC

Yeah, can we please get him lynched.

vote:theshadow
vote:theshadow

[Mastermind of Sin]

TheShadow, why would you target DoomYoshi? Just curious.

[vijay2vasandani]

Guys, I really think we should lynch KoC. If anything, we can confirm that there are decision changing mechanics if he's town. But I doubt it.

[IceGuy]

Vote Count

Knight of Cydonia (7): WrathChild, WrathChild, TheShadow, Nero Cain, vijay2vasandani, Ser Panda, Axelrod

Nocmen (6): D3f3nd3r, Quilford, TheShadow, TheShadow, Nero Cain, vijay2vasandani
D3f3nd3r (5): Nocmen, DoomYoshi, Teleporting Speed Hippos, Teleporting Speed Hippos, Nocmen
TheShadow (4): Quilford, Quilford, DCLXVI, DCLXVI
WrathChild (4): StrangerCoug, StrangerCoug, Mastermind of Sin, Mastermind of Sin
Mastermind of Sin (3): guille2015, guille2015, Axelrod
Gooner (2): Sir Bastion, Sir Bastion
StrangerCoug (2): Ser Panda, Nero Cain
whispersilk (2): Sir Bastion, guille2015
guille2015 (2): Nocmen, DoomYoshi
Nero Cain (2): Teleporting Speed Hippos, StrangerCoug
Axelrod (1): vijay2vasandani

18

votes are currently not on a player.

Every player has

3

votes.
With

19

alive, it's

10

to hammer.
There are

57

votes in play,

0

of which are frozen, leaving

57

votes active.

Deadline is August 31st, noon CEST.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Guys, I really think we should lynch KoC. If anything, we can confirm that there are decision changing mechanics if he's town. But I doubt it.

Please explain how lynching me 100% confirms or denies the existence of the scum power that I already know exists given what happened to me last night.

[vijay2vasandani]

Because I think you're lying.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Because I think you're lying.

Guys, I really think we should lynch KoC.

If anything, we can confirm that there are decision changing mechanics if he's town.

But I doubt it.

Not answering the question. Why is lynching me and my inevitable town flip the only thing that confirms decision-change abilities for the scum?
Spoiler: it isn't, I think you're very much aware of that, and after my lynch you'll be the first person to flip-flop back onto "well he could have just been a VI who lynched Thor for the fun of it, there still might not be decision changes guys"

[vijay2vasandani]

Nope. I think your scum who is trying a crazy gambit. If you aren't then there is obv something that can influence decisions.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Nope. I think your scum who is trying a crazy gambit. If you aren't then there is obv something that can influence decisions.

So you'd rather lynch me on what you've just admitted is the slim chance that this is some kind of massive, reasonless gambit, than wait for more information. Okay bro.

[Sir Bastion]

than wait for more information. Okay bro.

what info are you waiting on?

this game has somewhat stalled

[Teleporting Speed Hippos]

KoC that is some damn stupid logic you're using. Lynching you and you flipping town confirms to everyone else that you are telling the truth about pardoning Thor. v2v is saying it's an informative lynch.

I don't disagree with his premise. I don't want to lynch you because you're probably town and I can trust for now you were screwed by virtue of Defender, but that doesn't change the fact that what v2v is saying is legit.

[guille2015]

It is true that lynching KoC will inform us of mafias potential PR. However, there are other ways. As the days pass, the idea of the PR will become apparent. Additional, there is no real guaranty that Lynching KoC will result in him being killed. I prefer to lynch another three players rather than KoC.

I agree with Axelrod. The wagon for NoCmen is not well formed. He was saved by the Judge. Mafia (presumably) do not know the identity of the judge, therefore, they would not have known if the judge would save or kill Nocmen.

[WrathChild]

It is true that lynching KoC will inform us of mafias potential PR. However, there are other ways. As the days pass, the idea of the PR will become apparent. Additional, there is no real guaranty that Lynching KoC will result in him being killed. I prefer to lynch another three players rather than KoC.

I agree with Axelrod. The wagon for NoCmen is not well formed. He was saved by the Judge. Mafia (presumably) do not know the identity of the judge, therefore, they would not have known if the judge would save or kill Nocmen.

I would even go as far as to say the wagon on Nocmen may be scum driven. I still don't like KoC.

[DCLXVI]

@wrathchild, then who is scum driving the wagon?

[WrathChild]

Nocmen (6): D3f3nd3r, Quilford, TheShadow, TheShadow, Nero Cain, vijay2vasandani

Let's look more closely.

[WrathChild]

So I dislike every single vote on that wagon. I think every player that has made a defacto vote on Nocmen from yesterday should drop it and those who want to continue to push his wagon need to explain why.

I'm FoSing the Nocmen wagon, every single player on it.

[Knight of Cydonia]

It is true that lynching KoC will inform us of mafias potential PR. However, there are other ways. As the days pass, the idea of the PR will become apparent. Additional, there is no real guaranty that Lynching KoC will result in him being killed. I prefer to lynch another three players rather than KoC.

I agree with Axelrod. The wagon for NoCmen is not well formed. He was saved by the Judge. Mafia (presumably) do not know the identity of the judge, therefore, they would not have known if the judge would save or kill Nocmen.

I would even go as far as to say the wagon on Nocmen may be scum driven.

I still don't like KoC.

I'm still waiting for you to come up with a reason other than "waaah he cried mod error" (I didn't) and... oh wait, that's it. Your entire reason for double-voting me is "I think you're trying to call mod-error", because that clearly makes more sense than me being town who admitted to being Executioner and made town aware of scum PRs before they could start pushing their carefully arranged lynch on me.

Like, seriously, people, use your brains for a fucking second. Town has Executioner-trackers. In a hypothetical version of this setup where scum don't have any powers, all the trackers have to do is wait for the scum to Execute an obv-town player, and track the kill to the scum. How do you balance that power? You let scum play around with the 2 variables: you let them pick between town and scum Executioners, and you let them play with the decision that Executioner makes - but not too often, or the trackers become worthless. So you push through a fast wagon started by a strong, experienced townie: look at the Thor wagon - first 2 people on it are me and SerPanda, for an early scummy statement of Thor's. You put the obv-town in front of the town executioner, and you flip the decision, or force-execute, whatever the role is. 1 strong town player guaranteed dead, and one ready to setup to put in front of the Jury who CLEARLY must be scum because CLEARLY he executed Thor despite making it clear he considered him town later in the day.
This wouldn't work against a competent town. But the majority of you aren't competent town. And you're being lead over the clif like happy, dumb lemmings by WrathChild, who has still yet to present any kind of case that accounts for why I would willingly admit to being Executioner as scum. The only person who has, vijay, has admitted himself that his "case" is that it's a huge fucking gambit that makes no sense:

Nope. I think your scum who is trying a crazy gambit.

Meanwhile at our useless, incredibly weak claimed PR

Well so we have some crazy results..

I'm not sure if I buy the "I was executioner" claim, but I know it wasn't DoomYoshi.

If anything, him still being alive confirms my scumread on Nocmen that resulted in my hammering his wagon at the end of day 1.

VOTE: Nocmen
VOTE: Nocmen
VOTE: KoC

Doing fucking NOTHING despite promising reads. Lurkerscum who knows he's safe to float on.

Hey, here's a really interesting question... why the fuck is Nocmen still alive? Like, seriously, after his constant displays of "any wagon will do" yesterday, who the hell wouldn't find him guilty?

I think a better question is why are you not voting him?

...I'm really, really fucking confused now.
I was made Executioner last night, and I was given Thor. I've PM'd IceGuy to ask if I can post his statement in thread.
But... I chose to pardon him, so I have no idea why the fuck he's dead.

VOTE: Knight
VOTE: Knight

This pending a statement from Iceguy.

My first reaction to this is a big giant BULL SHIT. Knight probably knew he was at risk of being nailed as the Executioner and decided it'd be best to claim it and yell mod-error.

I'm gonna read Knight's ISO and see what his stance on Thor was.

The mod is not going to confirm Knight of Cydonia, and

I'm surprised he was picked as the executioner, seeing as he was not a serious contender for scum

. For you to make assumptions like this suggests that you are going after an easy target.

Its totally acceptable for to come out and say that he didn't make a mistake. The bold seems stupid.

vote:koc
vote:nocmen
vote:SC

a) Thank you for deliberately mis-interpreting my question (who would find Nocmen not guilty after his play yesterday, and why)
b) Thank you for completely ignoring the point that was made several times for the sake of jumping on the convenient wagons of the day

P-Edit:
You're FoSing every single person on that wagon... despite the fact that 3 of them are also on the completely baseless wagon you rolled up on me. Cool story son.

[guille2015]

Defender and Quilford are new to the Nocmen bandwagon. Defender did voice his suspicions on nocmen. Quilford did not.

unvote: Whispersilk
Vote: Quilford

So, Quilford, why are you voting for Nocmen?

[guille2015]

lo siento.

Porque? (Why?)

[D3f3nd3r]

Declared intent to hammer before d1 ended. Got beaten to it.

[Mastermind of Sin]

I don't like either of the top two wagons. This is a counter vote.

Unvote: WrathChild, WrathChild, Vote: D3f3nd3r, D3f3nd3r

[StrangerCoug]

Your double-vote was fine where it was, Mastermind of Sin. WrathChild was and still is leading us to hell. Seriously, if Knight of Cydonia ever suspected a mod error, the smarter move would be to PM the mod rather than complain about it in the thread, and I have yet to see anything else on KoC than "LOL gambit".

I also have questions about WC FoS'ing the Nocmen wagon

en masse

without any clear evidence that he's looking at the people on the wagon. Granted, I don't see Nocmen-scum either, but for the entire scum team to be voting Nocmen after trying and failing to get him killed is idiotic.

[Mastermind of Sin]

If the WC wagon goes anywhere I'll be back. Actually, I have a third vote so yea.

Vote: WrathChild

[Knight of Cydonia]

Oh right, I knew I'd forgotten something what with that P-edit:

Vote: WrathChild
Vote: WrathChild