Judge, Jury, and Executioner - Over

[AurorusVox]

@Mod, could we see which votes aren't currently placed?

[Teleporting Speed Hippos]

@Mod, could we see which votes aren't currently placed?

You get it by now.

[IceGuy]

@Mod, could we see which votes aren't currently placed?

Gooner x3
WrathChild
Ser Panda
whispersilk x3
D3f3nd3r x2
Axelrod

[Nero Cain]

The promised post will come when I can find time. RL is kicking my butt lately.

So you will post it day 3 then?

holy misrep batman

[Quilford]

I'm pretty sure DCLXVI was being sarcastic.

[Knight of Cydonia]

You're a fucking riot!!! You very very very much called Noc scum. If

you

didn't think that Noc was scum then you wouldn't have asked that question. Asking others what they think and not voting for someone you find scummy is opinion seeking. So no, not a misrep at all.

and lol @ accusing me of jumping on convenient wagons.

This magical ability you have to decide what I meant when I asked something is truly wonderous
Please, tell me more

Just 'cause something is a fallacy doesn't mean it can't be a scumtell.

...okay, I'm done trying to reason with you here.

The promised post will come when I can find time. RL is kicking my butt lately.

So you will post it day 3 then?

holy misrep batman

*sigh*

What happened to the days when I could safely lurk through the first few days of a Large...

I agree that my play has been sub-optimal up to this point. I get better, especially in larges, on day 2 or 3 once we have some flips to analyze.

Not exactly misrep, but please, keep flailing around trying to throw shit at everyone in the hope some of it will stick.

[guille2015]

I am not in agreement with the Defender wagon. The argument behind it is basically his mistake and Attack due to that mistake at KoC. I can understand Town making that mistake. I need more on him.

I am in agreement with the V2V wagon. I do not understand why he is voting for Axelrod. His explanation is unsatisfying. His complete change on the NocMen alignment is very suspect. He needs to explain his change of view better.

Wraithchild: It seems to be aggressively biased that KoC is lying. He is not considering the possibility of KoC telling the truth. I think there are better candidates for a lynch today that KoC. But because he is voting for KoC for the reasons that he has given (which I disagree), doesn't mean that he is scum.

Cain:

wow. I don't even need to read the last few pages to tell you that v2v is town. This wagon is fast as fuck.

What, really? Why is he town?

The promised post will come when I can find time. RL is kicking my butt lately.

So you will post it day 3 then?

holy misrep batman

How is this a misrep?

this:

lo siento.

Porque? (Why?)

Unvote: MoS x2

Vote: V2V
Vote: Nero Cain

[Nocmen]

Unvote Shadow
Vote: v2v

You don't have a vote on Shadow and no other vote is free.

I don't? I believe my posts had 1 vote on Shadow, 2 on D3fender, not one on Doom.

In that case, according to the vote count:

Unvote: DY
Vote: v2v

[IceGuy]

Vote Count

Knight of Cydonia (6): WrathChild, WrathChild, TheShadow, Nero Cain, Ser Panda, Axelrod
Nocmen (6): D3f3nd3r, Quilford, TheShadow, TheShadow, Nero Cain, vijay2vasandani
D3f3nd3r (6): Nocmen, Teleporting Speed Hippos, Teleporting Speed Hippos, Nocmen, Mastermind of Sin, Mastermind of Sin
vijay2vasandani (6): DoomYoshi, DCLXVI, Knight of Cydonia, DoomYoshi, guille2015, Nocmen

WrathChild (5): StrangerCoug, StrangerCoug, Mastermind of Sin, Knight of Cydonia, Knight of Cydonia
TheShadow (4): Quilford, Quilford, DCLXVI, DCLXVI
Nero Cain (3): Teleporting Speed Hippos, StrangerCoug, guille2015
Gooner (2): Sir Bastion, Sir Bastion
StrangerCoug (2): Ser Panda, Nero Cain
Axelrod (2): vijay2vasandani, vijay2vasandani
Mastermind of Sin (1): Axelrod
whispersilk (1): Sir Bastion
guille2015 (1): DoomYoshi
Quilford (1): guille2015

11

votes are currently not on a player.

Every player has

3

votes.
With

19

alive, it's

10

to hammer.
There are

57

votes in play,

0

of which are frozen, leaving

57

votes active.

Deadline is August 31st, noon CEST.

Gooner is being replaced.

I don't? I believe my posts had 1 vote on Shadow, 2 on D3fender, not one on Doom.

Yes you had. My mistake. I think I confused you with Nero Cain again.

[Nocmen]

I am not in agreement with the Defender wagon. The argument behind it is basically his mistake and Attack due to that mistake at KoC. I can understand Town making that mistake. I need more on him.

What about where he's pushing for votes, saying he'll hammer twice now (on myself yesterday, plus apparently in the jury), but hasn't? Trying to be supportive with the wagon, without officially putting his name on it?

[D3f3nd3r]

Nocmen, declaring intent to hammer is not that threatening, especially when hammer=/=death.

[WrathChild]

A) Why is there a wagon on me?
B) I am biased that KoC is lying. Why? Because he claimed one thing and the evidence indicates the other. We can come up with a million different scenarios where KoC could be telling the truth, but why in hell should we ignore the most obvious scenario where he is lying?
C) Nocmen is probably not scum. Can we take a minute and think why he would have been pardoned by the judge? Ok, got it, no proceed to dissipate the wagon. Done? Ok, now let's look at the people who are pushing the Nocmen wagon. Do I need to explain this more? Nocmen claims to judge, judge pardons, scum realize this and want to send him back to the gallows where they can send him to the executioner and get him dead. Got it?

[WrathChild]

EBWOP: now* proceed

[Knight of Cydonia]

A) Why is there a wagon on me?
B) I am biased that KoC is lying. Why? Because he claimed one thing and the evidence indicates the other. We can come up with a million different scenarios where KoC could be telling the truth, but why in hell should we ignore the most obvious scenario where he is lying?
C) Nocmen is probably not scum. Can we take a minute and think why he would have been pardoned by the judge? Ok, got it, no proceed to dissipate the wagon. Done? Ok, now let's look at the people who are pushing the Nocmen wagon. Do I need to explain this more? Nocmen claims to judge, judge pardons, scum realize this and want to send him back to the gallows where they can send him to the executioner and get him dead. Got it?

How is what vijay admitted to be a massive gambit "the most obvious scenario"?
Also: three of the people you're FoSing for voting Nocmen are/were also voting me at the same time.

Knight of Cydonia (7): WrathChild, WrathChild,

TheShadow, Nero Cain, vijay2vasandani

, Ser Panda, Axelrod
Nocmen (6): D3f3nd3r, Quilford,

TheShadow, TheShadow, Nero Cain, vijay2vasandani

So by that logic, my wagon is also being pushed by scum. But you're okay with that because...?

[IceGuy]

whispersilk and Ser Panda have been prodded.

[Mastermind of Sin]

KoC: 2, WrathChild: 0

[Ser Panda]

Post.

I have no idea where RedPanda is. I'm currently somewhat busy, but I'll see if I can get to this tonight or tomorrow. Will also shoot RedPanda a PM.

[Axelrod]

KoC's general hostility and referring to everyone as f****** ****** does not get him any points either. The burning rage seems a bit over the top.

This is retarded and should not be factored into your case.

Uh, wrong? It's not like I would be advocating lynching someone

just

because they are being unreasonably hostile, but it's definitely something that goes on the radar, and I have absolutely seem scum try to bluster their way out of a lynch by calling everyone on their wagon morons and f****** idiots. Can he be rageoholic town too? Yes, that's possible. But what I said was that it seems over the top to me.

I also agree with Sir Bastion's point which is how MoS said absloutely nothing about Argula prior to his being lynched (or after) and yet came back today with a big "how could you guys lynch Argula he was so obv.-town." That just reeks.

Yeah Axel, but then they'd have exactly the argument you just presented to keep him alive no?

UNVOTE: KoC
VOTE: Axelrod

What?

I have no idea what you are saying here. One would think you did not understand my point at all. Except later it sounds like you are actually in agreement with me - but still think I am scummy for the opinion?

Guys, I really think we should lynch KoC. If anything, we can confirm that there are decision changing mechanics if he's town. But I doubt it.

Isn't that what you are more or less saying here?

^ Lol XD

VOTE: V2v

All of the votes are on players that are probably town (KoC, Nocmen, axelrod). Axelrod is the most likely to be scum of the 3, however).

From the silly reaction test to not contributing, to cheer leading the KOC case, there is a lot of scum potential.

@v2v: any comments on nero's analysis about why Nocmen is likely town?

What post was this? I remember somebody saying that if Noc was scum, scum would have put the executioner on him so he could be saved or something of that sort, but I think that's bull. I don't think scum choose which defendant goes where, instead they're given a defendant and then choose an executioner. That is what the Nocmen-town argument was right?

Okay so I forgot that we had PRs of any sort. In my mind I was thinking vanilla game with lynch mechanics.
UNVOTE: KoC
VOTE: Axelrod

Again, what?

You appear to have completely misunderstood the game mechanics at play here, and yet this still somehow equates with me appearing scummy? I am having trouble believing you are this confused.

Would you care to clarify exactly what your position is?

Things I find believable:
You being convinced that against all logic, I am really scum playing some huge elaborate gambit
Things I find less believable:
That you could "forget" two role claims of near identical roles that took up several pages of discussion each yesterday having commented on one of those claims.

This I agree with.

The promised post will come when I can find time. RL is kicking my butt lately.

Of course, still amenable to resuming the "should we just lynch Shadow" debate.

A) Why is there a wagon on me?
B) I am biased that KoC is lying. Why? Because he claimed one thing and the evidence indicates the other. We can come up with a million different scenarios where KoC could be telling the truth, but why in hell should we ignore the most obvious scenario where he is lying?

This is truth.

C) Nocmen is probably not scum. Can we take a minute and think why he would have been pardoned by the judge? Ok, got it, no proceed to dissipate the wagon. Done? Ok, now let's look at the people who are pushing the Nocmen wagon. Do I need to explain this more? Nocmen claims to judge, judge pardons, scum realize this and want to send him back to the gallows where they can send him to the executioner and get him dead. Got it?

Well, my point is not that he was pardoned by the judge, therefore he's town (that makes no sense). My point is - if Nocmen were scum, it would mean the scum chose to send their own to the Judge vs. sending him to the Jury or to an Executioner they could appoint, which simply make no sense.

The next step for me is probably to take a closer look at yesterday's Thor/Argula/Nocmen wagons - i.e. the people who were voting/not voting and the reasons people gave at the time - to see if there's anything that stands out in light of how they flipped.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Axelrod, I would

love

for you to explain how my comment about Arugula comes from a scum motivation. This will be rich.

[vijay2vasandani]

What about I think you're scum do you want me to explain Axel? I don't remember what or why I said what I said though. I think I have some form of amnesia. Will read again.

[StrangerCoug]

Well, you are wrong about the scum mechanics because according to the OP, scum decides who goes where. Jester much?

UNVOTE: Defender
VOTE: V2v

How the hell do you get that there is a jester? This seems like a cheap excuse to go after what seems to me like a townslip (I'd expect the Mafia to remember this kind of thing).

wow. I don't even need to read the last few pages to tell you that v2v is town. This wagon is fast as fuck.

I'd really, really love to know where this "all fast wagons are scummy" fallacy came from so I can choke the person responsible.
You

do

need to read, because this is Mafia. It is about reading people, and that requires you to read posts. Pages of them sometimes. I know, it's HORRIBLE.

oh stop rushing me scum.

This is an awfully ironic exchange, Nero Cain.

What's this about a jester? Enlighten me.

A jester is a player who wins by getting lynched. It's practically exclusive to bastard modding territory as it's easy to win as that role and it punishes the town for voting scummy players.

What's this about a jester? Enlighten me.

DoomYoshi voting v2v for being a jester. *facepalm*

I call it jestering when a player tries to get themself killed. It appears that is what v2v is doing but I don't actually think he is a jester.

Way to backtrack. This is nowhere near funny.

UNVOTE: Nero Cain
UNVOTE: WrathChild
VOTE: DoomYoshi
VOTE: DoomYoshi

I still believe that WrathChild is scummy for leading the crappy Knight of Cydonia wagon, but come the hell on. At least nobody has to believe Knight of Cydonia's claim. DoomYoshi is looking for an easy lynch.

[Knight of Cydonia]

What about I think you're scum do you want me to explain Axel? I don't remember what or why I said what I said though. I think I have some form of amnesia. Will read again.

There comes a point where you go beyond "not paying attention to the game" and into "why can't I keep track of all these people I threw shit at."
I think vijay just reached that point.

[DCLXVI]

The promised post will come when I can find time. RL is kicking my butt lately.

So you will post it day 3 then?

holy misrep batman

Do you not get sarcasm?

My point was very clear, shadow has continued to promise content and continued to postpone giving it.

[IceGuy]

Vote Count

Knight of Cydonia (6): WrathChild, WrathChild, TheShadow, Nero Cain, Ser Panda, Axelrod
Nocmen (6): D3f3nd3r, Quilford, TheShadow, TheShadow, Nero Cain, vijay2vasandani
D3f3nd3r (6): Nocmen, Teleporting Speed Hippos, Teleporting Speed Hippos, Nocmen, Mastermind of Sin, Mastermind of Sin
vijay2vasandani (6): DoomYoshi, DCLXVI, Knight of Cydonia, DoomYoshi, guille2015, Nocmen

WrathChild (4): StrangerCoug, Mastermind of Sin, Knight of Cydonia, Knight of Cydonia
TheShadow (4): Quilford, Quilford, DCLXVI, DCLXVI
Nero Cain (2): Teleporting Speed Hippos, guille2015
Gooner (2): Sir Bastion, Sir Bastion
StrangerCoug (2): Ser Panda, Nero Cain
Axelrod (2): vijay2vasandani, vijay2vasandani
DoomYoshi (2): StrangerCoug, StrangerCoug
Mastermind of Sin (1): Axelrod
whispersilk (1): Sir Bastion
guille2015 (1): DoomYoshi
Quilford (1): guille2015

11

votes are currently not on a player.

Every player has

3

votes.
With

19

alive, it's

10

to hammer.
There are

57

votes in play,

0

of which are frozen, leaving

57

votes active.

Deadline is August 31st, noon CEST.

[Ser Panda]

RedPanda here.

I've got a huge deadline which involves writing. I'm going to let SAD do most of the work and I'll do this whenever I'm not exhausted.

I scumhunt by townhunting.

TheShadow is a town read of mine. This guy is just a terrible fucking player. I don't even understand why he plays the game.
Nero

Quilford's also a town read if mine. I have an idea of quilfords playstyle from experience and I've got a town gut feel from him this game.

Doomyoshi is also a town read of mine for the way he dealt with thor's lynch.

Gooner is a solid town read of mine. Early scumhunting and questioning I can totally understand and relate to.

Nero-cain is another solid town read of mine. people should go and read every post of his in context.

Nocmen is a solid town read of mine. The judge let him live for good reason. Scum sent him to the judge.

KoC was a scumread of mine end of day 1, but SAD was confident that KoC was town.


Day 2 with KoC being the executioner And I'm conflicted with my read on him.

StrangerCoug is a scumread both of us agreed to last night.

and I think we need more votes on StrangerCoug

StrangerCoug Avoids leading wagons like the plague. StrangerCoug uses weak attacks on everybody.
and yeah his latest votes on Doomyoshi. nice one there StrangerCoug.

I have to read everyone else.