Judge, Jury, and Executioner - Over

[Ser Panda]

TSH - all his posts don't give me a town vibe. I've played with the hydra before. I've also played with the players. I'm paranoid about this slot. I have a feeling that they're scum because they aren't trying to be a force in this game.

DCL is town. I'm pretty sure of this read.

V2v - This guy was truly terrible the last time I played with him. he's gotten a lot more confident now. conflicted on the read but my gut says he's town.

Wrathchild is town but I'm not as sure of this read as I am with DCL.

MoS is town. I'm sure of this read.


And we have whispersilk.

7 posts in the game. We have no vigs. We cannot get rid of this lurker.

I think all of you need to vote for this guy. And I also want to say that Whispersilk never posts when he's scum.

Not much of a read on defender. But Yeah I think he's scum from POE.

Axelrod is town.

Nothing that sir bastion posted gives me a town read.

This guy is probably scum from PoE

Vote whispersilk

Unvote Koc

Vote defender

[IceGuy]

Mod mistake edited away.

[vijay2vasandani]

Holy crap, scum chooses where defendants go? What the fuck. Am I reading the same thing? Okay, fuck this. I'm going to reread tonight and then see what I think.

[IceGuy]

Vote Count

D3f3nd3r (7): Nocmen, Teleporting Speed Hippos, Teleporting Speed Hippos, Nocmen, Mastermind of Sin, Mastermind of Sin, Ser Panda

Nocmen (6): D3f3nd3r, Quilford, TheShadow, TheShadow, Nero Cain, vijay2vasandani
vijay2vasandani (6): DoomYoshi, DCLXVI, Knight of Cydonia, DoomYoshi, guille2015, Nocmen
Knight of Cydonia (5): WrathChild, WrathChild, TheShadow, Nero Cain, Axelrod
WrathChild (4): StrangerCoug, Mastermind of Sin, Knight of Cydonia, Knight of Cydonia
TheShadow (4): Quilford, Quilford, DCLXVI, DCLXVI
Nero Cain (2): Teleporting Speed Hippos, guille2015
Gooner (2): Sir Bastion, Sir Bastion
StrangerCoug (2): Ser Panda, Nero Cain
Axelrod (2): vijay2vasandani, vijay2vasandani
DoomYoshi (2): StrangerCoug, StrangerCoug
whispersilk (2): Sir Bastion, Ser Panda
Mastermind of Sin (1): Axelrod
guille2015 (1): DoomYoshi
Quilford (1): guille2015

1ß

votes are currently not on a player.

Every player has

3

votes.
With

19

alive, it's

10

to hammer.
There are

57

votes in play,

0

of which are frozen, leaving

57

votes active.

Deadline is August 31st, noon CEST.

[whispersilk]

Responding to prod. No time to post right now.

[Nero Cain]

You're a fucking riot!!! You very very very much called Noc scum. If

you

didn't think that Noc was scum then you wouldn't have asked that question. Asking others what they think and not voting for someone you find scummy is opinion seeking. So no, not a misrep at all.

and lol @ accusing me of jumping on convenient wagons.

This magical ability you have to decide what I meant when I asked something is truly wonderous
Please, tell me more

You should read your own post dude. You were deff attacking Nocmen.

The promised post will come when I can find time. RL is kicking my butt lately.

So you will post it day 3 then?

holy misrep batman

*sigh*

What happened to the days when I could safely lurk through the first few days of a Large...

I agree that my play has been sub-optimal up to this point. I get better, especially in larges, on day 2 or 3 once we have some flips to analyze.

Not exactly misrep, but please, keep flailing around trying to throw shit at everyone in the hope some of it will stick.

Maybe it was meant to be sarcasam after all but meh. Not what he said and your posts trying to defend DC is quite a stretch. Hey look guys, scum is accusing me of flailing.

You should read the thread Gullie as apposed to asking question that have already been addressed. And the "lo siento" was in reply to nocmen.

wow. I don't even need to read the last few pages to tell you that v2v is town. This wagon is fast as fuck.

I'd really, really love to know where this "all fast wagons are scummy" fallacy came from so I can choke the person responsible.
You

do

need to read, because this is Mafia. It is about reading people, and that requires you to read posts. Pages of them sometimes. I know, it's HORRIBLE.

oh stop rushing me scum.

This is an awfully ironic exchange, Nero Cain.

This doesn't even make sense. Whats ironic about it?

[Knight of Cydonia]

You're a fucking riot!!! You very very very much called Noc scum. If

you

didn't think that Noc was scum then you wouldn't have asked that question. Asking others what they think and not voting for someone you find scummy is opinion seeking. So no, not a misrep at all.

and lol @ accusing me of jumping on convenient wagons.

This magical ability you have to decide what I meant when I asked something is truly wonderous
Please, tell me more

You should read your own post dude. You were deff attacking Nocmen.

Thank you for letting me know that you are more capable of divining my own intentions than, for example,

me

, and continuing to push this utterly baseless accusation whilst you continue to vote Nocmen

The promised post will come when I can find time. RL is kicking my butt lately.

So you will post it day 3 then?

holy misrep batman

*sigh*

What happened to the days when I could safely lurk through the first few days of a Large...

I agree that my play has been sub-optimal up to this point. I get better, especially in larges, on day 2 or 3 once we have some flips to analyze.

Not exactly misrep, but please, keep flailing around trying to throw shit at everyone in the hope some of it will stick.

Maybe it was meant to be sarcasam after all but meh. Not what he said and your posts trying to defend DC is quite a stretch. Hey look guys, scum is accusing me of flailing.

If you look closely, you can see the skidmarks left behind by all this back-pedalling. And calling "pointing out what was written in the thread by Shadow himself" stretching is fucking hilarious bro, keep it up.

[guille2015]

You should read the thread Gullie as apposed to asking question that have already been addressed. And the "lo siento" was in reply to nocmen.

So, you are sorry that you voted for Nocmen instead of shadow. It just came as odd to me. I asked why, because I want to know why you are sorry for placing that vote. Are you not convinced that nocmen is scum, or you think shadow is a much better vote. Or is it simply you meant nothing by it.

BTW, That first sentence is begging the question. You are implying that I am not reading the thread, and that I am asking questions that have already been resolved? I'd like to see how you reached that conclusion. The three questions I have asked you, have not been addressed. Show me if I am mistaken.

I also remember asking Quilford why he is voting for Nocmen. In which he has still not responded. In case you are wondering, I am asking this because he voted refering to his day 1 suspects. Nocmen was not in his day 1 suspects.

[DoomYoshi]

I am leaning towards votes on the shadow. The main thing holding me back is that axel is not willing to vote shadow as well. I can't understand this.

Coug, am I supposed to respond to your case against me? It was a joke, taken the wrong way... what do you mean going for the easy lynch? I was second on the vijay wagon, (technically first, but nocmen had already unvoted but is now back). What makes you think that vijay is town.

Still waiting for a response from nero.
What made vijay go from null-to-scum at the end of day 1 to obvtown at the beginning of day 2? Was it the fact that vijay is playing like an slippedscum who can't read the game to save his own hide?

[Nero Cain]

You're a fucking riot!!! You very very very much called Noc scum. If

you

didn't think that Noc was scum then you wouldn't have asked that question. Asking others what they think and not voting for someone you find scummy is opinion seeking. So no, not a misrep at all.

and lol @ accusing me of jumping on convenient wagons.

This magical ability you have to decide what I meant when I asked something is truly wonderous
Please, tell me more

You should read your own post dude. You were deff attacking Nocmen.

Thank you for letting me know that you are more capable of divining my own intentions than, for example,

me

, and continuing to push this utterly baseless accusation whilst you continue to vote Nocmen

So you're telling me that you had a town read on Nocmen and you were asking others why anyone would be find Nocmen town? lol Stance makes no sense as town. And this whole time you've not once said "No Nero you're misinterpreting it, I meant X." Rope for KOC scum.

You should read the thread Gullie as apposed to asking question that have already been addressed. And the "lo siento" was in reply to nocmen.

So, you are sorry that you voted for Nocmen instead of shadow. It just came as odd to me. I asked why, because I want to know why you are sorry for placing that vote. Are you not convinced that nocmen is scum, or you think shadow is a much better vote. Or is it simply you meant nothing by it.

BTW, That first sentence is begging the question. You are implying that I am not reading the thread, and that I am asking questions that have already been resolved? I'd like to see how you reached that conclusion. The three questions I have asked you, have not been addressed. Show me if I am mistaken.

I already explained why I thought vijay is town in the same post you quoted. lol as scummy as Shadow is, he never actully said that he'd wait until day 3 and it very much looked like DC trying to put words into his mouth. Scum KOC trying to use quotes to make it look like DC was right and Shadow wasn't going to give content until day 3 is lol fail.

What made vijay go from null-to-scum at the end of day 1 to obvtown at the beginning of day 2? Was it the fact that vijay is playing like an slippedscum who can't read the game to save his own hide?

answered above.

[Sir Bastion]

unvote gooner x 2

since he's being replaced

and

unvote whispersilk

since he's very clear on his actions.


Will give a read of recent events and spread my votes out then as necessary.

[Nero Cain]

@SB-exactly what did nocmen say in the jury qt if anything?

[Knight of Cydonia]

You're a fucking riot!!! You very very very much called Noc scum. If

you

didn't think that Noc was scum then you wouldn't have asked that question. Asking others what they think and not voting for someone you find scummy is opinion seeking. So no, not a misrep at all.

and lol @ accusing me of jumping on convenient wagons.

This magical ability you have to decide what I meant when I asked something is truly wonderous
Please, tell me more

You should read your own post dude. You were deff attacking Nocmen.

Thank you for letting me know that you are more capable of divining my own intentions than, for example,

me

, and continuing to push this utterly baseless accusation whilst you continue to vote Nocmen

So you're telling me that you had a town read on Nocmen and you were asking others why anyone would be find Nocmen town? lol Stance makes no sense as town. And this whole time you've not once said "No Nero you're misinterpreting it, I meant X." Rope for KOC scum.

Repeating a "point" I have made clear is misrepresentation while constantly yelling "LYNCH HIM HE'S SCUM" does not a case make.

Incidentally, as an extension of the question I asked WrathChild (but aimed this time at you, Nero) - WrathChild has stated that anyone voting Nocmen is probable scum, and FoS'd the entire wagon - including you. Why are you attacking me for a (perceived, but not actually there) accusation of Nocmen as scum, while continuing to vote Nocmen and agree with someone who has called you scummy for voting Nocmen?

[Sir Bastion]

@SB-exactly what did nocmen say in the jury qt if anything?

??? nocmen wasnt in jury duty

[Nero Cain]

You're a fucking riot!!! You very very very much called Noc scum. If

you

didn't think that Noc was scum then you wouldn't have asked that question. Asking others what they think and not voting for someone you find scummy is opinion seeking. So no, not a misrep at all.

and lol @ accusing me of jumping on convenient wagons.

This magical ability you have to decide what I meant when I asked something is truly wonderous
Please, tell me more

You should read your own post dude. You were deff attacking Nocmen.

Thank you for letting me know that you are more capable of divining my own intentions than, for example,

me

, and continuing to push this utterly baseless accusation whilst you continue to vote Nocmen

So you're telling me that you had a town read on Nocmen and you were asking others why anyone would be find Nocmen town? lol Stance makes no sense as town. And this whole time you've not once said "No Nero you're misinterpreting it, I meant X." Rope for KOC scum.

Repeating a "point" I have made clear is misrepresentation while constantly yelling "LYNCH HIM HE'S SCUM" does not a case make.

Incidentally, as an extension of the question I asked WrathChild (but aimed this time at you, Nero) - WrathChild has stated that anyone voting Nocmen is probable scum, and FoS'd the entire wagon - including you. Why are you attacking me for a (perceived, but not actually there) accusation of Nocmen as scum, while continuing to vote Nocmen and agree with someone who has called you scummy for voting Nocmen?

You sure like to dodge those questions don't you? I'll ask you point blank this time.

What ever was the point of you asking others "Why would anyone find Nocmen townie?" if you yourself had a Nocmen town read?

Don't have a scumread on WC. He's free to think what he likes. Question makes little sense, seems more like a "don't attack me, attack him!" type deflect.

@SB-exactly what did nocmen say in the jury qt if anything?

??? nocmen wasnt in jury duty

He wasn't? DERP ME!!! On the bright side it free's up that vote.

unvote:Nocmen
vote:KOC

[guille2015]

You should read the thread Gullie as apposed to asking question that have already been addressed. And the "lo siento" was in reply to nocmen.

So, you are sorry that you voted for Nocmen instead of shadow. It just came as odd to me. I asked why, because I want to know why you are sorry for placing that vote. Are you not convinced that nocmen is scum, or you think shadow is a much better vote. Or is it simply you meant nothing by it.

BTW, That first sentence is begging the question. You are implying that I am not reading the thread, and that I am asking questions that have already been resolved? I'd like to see how you reached that conclusion. The three questions I have asked you, have not been addressed. Show me if I am mistaken.

I already explained why I thought vijay is town in the same post you quoted.

Really?

wow. I don't even need to read the last few pages to tell you that v2v is town. This wagon is fast as fuck.

That is your explanation why you think V2V is town? because the wagon is fast as fuck?
You don't even consider if the arguments behind the wagon are weak or strong. Just fast. That is absolutely no indication of alignment. If you think that is a satisfying explanation, well, you are wrong, and that is why I asked you, it was such a comment that I did not think it was your only evidence.

lol as scummy as Shadow is, he never actully said that he'd wait until day 3 and it very much looked like DC trying to put words into his mouth. Scum KOC trying to use quotes to make it look like DC was right and Shadow wasn't going to give content until day 3 is lol fail.

You call out a serious accusation by saying its a misrepresentation. To something that is clear to be a tongue in check joke. My interpretation to that is that DC wanted to say that Shadow's play was so predictable that we can expect Shadow's response in 3 days when Shadow is prodded again. I do not know why you say its misrep, because DC is not implying definition of what Shadow said. Also, you are overtly defending this in such a way that it's just making you look bad.

[guille2015]

unvote: Quilford
Vote: Nero Cain

[Mastermind of Sin]

Unvote: WrathChild, Vote: Nero Cain

[IceGuy]

Vote Count

D3f3nd3r (7): Nocmen, Teleporting Speed Hippos, Teleporting Speed Hippos, Nocmen, Mastermind of Sin, Mastermind of Sin, Ser Panda

vijay2vasandani (6): DoomYoshi, DCLXVI, Knight of Cydonia, DoomYoshi, guille2015, Nocmen
Knight of Cydonia (6): WrathChild, WrathChild, TheShadow, Nero Cain, Axelrod, Nero Cain
Nocmen (5): D3f3nd3r, Quilford, TheShadow, TheShadow, vijay2vasandani
TheShadow (4): Quilford, Quilford, DCLXVI, DCLXVI
Nero Cain (4): Teleporting Speed Hippos, guille2015, guille2015, Mastermind of Sin
WrathChild (3): StrangerCoug, Knight of Cydonia, Knight of Cydonia
StrangerCoug (2): Ser Panda, Nero Cain
Axelrod (2): vijay2vasandani, vijay2vasandani
DoomYoshi (2): StrangerCoug, StrangerCoug
whispersilk (1): Ser Panda
Mastermind of Sin (1): Axelrod
guille2015 (1): DoomYoshi

13

votes are currently not on a player.

Every player has

3

votes.
With

19

alive, it's

10

to hammer.
There are

57

votes in play,

0

of which are frozen, leaving

57

votes active.

Deadline is August 31st, noon CEST.

[Nero Cain]

As I said yesterday, while I was on the early wagon (2nd person to vote him) a) That wagon was pushed

really quickly

which made me feel off about the people who leapt on it and b) Thor's play throughout the day redeemed him in my eyes.

So its not like I'm the first one to use this "wagon is fast so prob town" logic. Why you find this scummy from me but not from KOC is confusing. + KOC using this logic to defend Thor and to lightly attack me over it is lol fail.

And its served me fairly well in the past.

[TheShadow]

UNVOTE: Nocmen
UNVOTE: Nocmen

VOTE: Nero Cain
VOTE: Nero Cain

Better place for those votes atm.

[WrathChild]

This may be helpful, as translated by the court stenographer Wrathchild:

Jury Room Night 1 QT:

1 (Iceguy): Your defendant is Arugula, here's his statement:

"Dear Executioner, great job killing a townie.
Dear Jury, I know there's scum here but the bottom line is that I'm just a VT who over-reacted to Vijay. I don't really have anything else to say in my defense.
Dear Judge, I screwed up, I'm sorry, but I'm still VT, nothing much I can do at this point."

2 (Iceguy): Vote Count

3 (Sir B.): Just from memory, VOTE: Guilty. I'm gonna re-read him since I was gone for 7 days.

4 (Defender): He made the quick hammer on Thor look like an accident, but I didn't buy it. I'm gonna wait to hear what everyone else says or a day before I comment more.

5 (666): I'm probably gonna vote guilty, but want to re-read first.

6 (Defender): #4 is referring to Arugula

7 (WC): I definitely think Arugula is scum. I didn't like his lurk off after being hammered and then hammering Thor. Thor did it right by continuing to contribute. I'm sure Thor is getting killed by the Executioner tonight. This means that a dead Town-Thor is probably more useful than an alive Scum-Arugula. He would have been a marked man for sure if he survives tonight at the same time, wasting a night kill. I'll re-read him again, but I'm most likely going to vote Guilty on him.

PS Where's Axelrod and Sir B.?

8 (666)*: Arugula #78, #248 and his defense statement show obvious signs of backtracking, VOTE: Guilty.

@WC: Why not call out Gooner or Whispersilk? Sir B. did post.

9 (Defender): @Mod: Will quoting this be an offense?

10 (WC): @666: I missed Sir B.'s comment. I called out those two guys because I was suspicious of them already.

11 (WC): Following a re-read, I VOTE: Guilty because... A) ISO #1 he asks for judge to claim, B) OMGUS Vijay on obv fake-guilty, C) See QT #8, D) ISO #9, at L-1 he quickhammers Thor in a panic then blows his reasoning, E) ISO #12, I didn't like how he referred to himself as townie which felt forced, admittedly this is a weak point, F) ISO #12 he apologizes to Thor, ISO #15 & 17, he says Thor might be scum and then in ISO #19, 20 & 27, he's sure Thor is scum.

12 (Iceguy): Vote Count. @WC was that a vote? @Defender: You can paraphrase but no quoting.

13 (666): Everyone ok sharing the contents of this discussion? I think we should.

14 (Sir B.): Caught up. Pro-town players after hammer before flip are very pro-active, scum lurk. Thor was pro-active, Arugula lurked. VOTE: Guilty

15 (Axel): Bad timing for jury duty, I'm essentially VLA, but I'll try to post something. I think this should be revealed because there almost certainly are scum among us and anything not shared with town will be shared with scum anyway, so might as well level things a bit.

16 (Defender): Upon the re-read, Arugula looks pretty bad. Thor's probably at the executioner.
@Mod: does a hammer lock everything in?

17 (WC): @Ice: Yes that was a guilty. And yes, this should definitely be shared in thread.

18 (Iceguy): Vote Count. @Defender: Hammer locks.

19 (Shax (Whisper)): I don't think he's scum. His reaction is meta-fitting.

20 (Sir B.): Who's Shax?

21 (Iceguy): @Shax, use the right name please.

22 (666): I guess Shax is Gooner.

23 (Shax (Whisper)): Sorry, I'm Whisper.

24 (Defender): Declaring intent to hammer.

25 (Sir B.): Ohhh, 666 was wrong!? Where's Gooner?

26 (Axel): Nothing screams "TOWN" to me so may as well get him dead. The question is, if Thor is really town does that mean the scum value his death more than saving Arugula? I think the answer is yes because if they kept doing that, they'd lose NKs. Sending someone to the executioner is the only way to guarantee death for scum. Anyways, that's not enough to make me want to let Arugula live and I won't be here for the deadline, so VOTE: Arugula now make sure to get it done.

27 (Iceguy): Verdict has been reached. Guilty as charged.
[It appears that Axel accidently hammered]

*Edited post

[Nero Cain]

WOW!!!!

[Sir Bastion]

I thought we were not allowed copy/paste the qt here?

[guille2015]

As I said yesterday, while I was on the early wagon (2nd person to vote him) a) That wagon was pushed

really quickly

which made me feel off about the people who leapt on it and b) Thor's play throughout the day redeemed him in my eyes.

So its not like I'm the first one to use this "wagon is fast so prob town" logic. Why you find this scummy from me but not from KOC is confusing. + KOC using this logic to defend Thor and to lightly attack me over it is lol fail.

And its served me fairly well in the past.

There are two differences there. One is the inclusion of the word: Probable. The second is that that is not the only reason he considered Thor town. Unlike you, He has other arguments in place for his thoughts on why Thor was likely town.

The speed at which a lynch is reached is no indication of alignment (maybe slightly). You need more information. Additionally, Thor's wagon reached 11 votes and to a Lynch in a short period of time, while V2V has gained 7 with 3 votes left for a lynch.