Newbie 1,276 (Game over!)

[MissMaggot]

This is interesting. There are now three potential wagons.

Ewo and nhammen on me. Must be a chimp thing.

Me and Cheerydog on Wiibox.

Pasch and Wiibox on Nekoko.

I feel that the current Pasch and Neko interaction is a bit too scripted for my liking.

[Paschendale]

I feel that the current Pasch and Neko interaction is a bit too scripted for my liking.

And trying to start up competing wagons right off the bat to distance yourself from someone, and claiming that it's all based on a past game isn't?

[MissMaggot]

I feel that the current Pasch and Neko interaction is a bit too scripted for my liking.

And trying to start up competing wagons right off the bat to distance yourself from someone, and claiming that it's all based on a past game isn't?

Read the past game and you'll understand. xD It was ridiculous.

Why are you now condoning starting early wagons when you were

just

defending it?

[MissMaggot]

Also, I feel like you're being a bit too hostile and presumptuous considering our current lack of information. Do you know something that we don't?

[Wiibox3]

Hehe. Good times. <3

And by good, I mean that I was about ready to smash my keyboard in frustration. >.>;; Don't you ever do that to me again.

Anyway, Wii, we've got two wagons going here. Obviously one of them is you, so you shouldn't pick that, but what influenced you to opt out of voting me in favor of Nekoko?

I didn't want to look all OMGUS. lol. Since it's random voting time I chose Nekoko.

[Wiibox3]

Anyone interested in adding more flavor, while we get to know eachother?
1. Are you a true Roman or did you move to Rome from one of the Provinces?
2. Which god does your family lay tribute to?

1. I was born in Rome, but my family is from the province. We came to Rome as traders and settled down when my father saw there was a need for mason work. I have been working stone since I was a young boy. My son will also follow in my footsteps.
2. Every fortnight we pay tribute to Volcanus the god of masons. He looks over us and makes sure our hard work brings us prosperity.

[nhammen]

Both Wiibox and Paschendale are slightly scummy (but it is very slight) because they avoided voting for the competing wagons after I said that the competing wagons would help us find scum. Additionally MissMaggot's reactions are every transparent, so I give her major townpoints. CheeryDog asked a very relevant question which gives minor townpoints.
UNVOTE: MissMaggot
Now, the competing wagons are Wiibox and Nekoko. I could decide between one of these, or place my vote on Paschendale. However, my descision is made much easier by the following:

I didn't want to look all OMGUS. lol. Since it's random voting time I chose Nekoko.

In general, scum are more concerned with how they appear than town. This could quite easily be scum-motivated.

Anyone interested in adding more flavor, while we get to know eachother?
1. Are you a true Roman or did you move to Rome from one of the Provinces?
2. Which god does your family lay tribute to?

1. I was born in Rome, but my family is from the province. We came to Rome as traders and settled down when my father saw there was a need for mason work. I have been working stone since I was a young boy. My son will also follow in my footsteps.
2. Every fortnight we pay tribute to Volcanus the god of masons. He looks over us and makes sure our hard work brings us prosperity.

This post is entirely fluff.
VOTE: Wiibox

[Paschendale]

Hi everyone! This is my third game in the forums and ever since my first game here,
I became fond of the Random Questioning Stage. It is a way for people to talk more
about substantial things than voting people randomly. So here goes...

Okay, Nekoko likes that RVS isn't just random and wasteful. It brings out meaningful things.

And since I don't go for no-lynches, I will always try to vote the most suspicious player.
Since the day is still young, here is the random vote

VOTE: Paschendale

Right... RVS shouldn't be completely random, and yet here is a random vote. On someone who hasn't even posted yet.

For some reason Paschendale reminds me of
classical game so that's why I voted you

For a really random reason. Saying one thing and doing another is pretty suspicious. I didn't even base my vote on this originally, but looking back, it looks like laying groundwork for getting away with shoddy logic later on.

[Wiibox3]

Both Wiibox and Paschendale are slightly scummy (but it is very slight) because they avoided voting for the competing wagons after I said that the competing wagons would help us find scum. Additionally MissMaggot's reactions are every transparent, so I give her major townpoints. CheeryDog asked a very relevant question which gives minor townpoints.
UNVOTE: MissMaggot
Now, the competing wagons are Wiibox and Nekoko. I could decide between one of these, or place my vote on Paschendale. However, my descision is made much easier by the following:

I didn't want to look all OMGUS. lol. Since it's random voting time I chose Nekoko.

In general, scum are more concerned with how they appear than town. This could quite easily be scum-motivated.

Anyone interested in adding more flavor, while we get to know eachother?
1. Are you a true Roman or did you move to Rome from one of the Provinces?
2. Which god does your family lay tribute to?

1. I was born in Rome, but my family is from the province. We came to Rome as traders and settled down when my father saw there was a need for mason work. I have been working stone since I was a young boy. My son will also follow in my footsteps.
2. Every fortnight we pay tribute to Volcanus the god of masons. He looks over us and makes sure our hard work brings us prosperity.

This post is entirely fluff.
VOTE: Wiibox

Not sure how competing wagons could tell us much at this point. And since one of the wagons was for me and the other one was for a person that voted for me, it didn't make sense to vote for either at this point.

You point about me saying I didn't want to make an OMGUS vote could be scum motivated. Sure but you probably would have said the same thing had I voted for MM, so... What's your point?

Also, why are you uninterested into playing into the flavor of the game? If it's fluff, then you should call out the Mod for adding flavor in the first place.

[MissMaggot]

Wii, competing wagons doesn't tell us much now. We can't really determine anything decisively important at this time. It's the importance of it later once things get rolling. I've said this a couple times now.

Paschen, way to dodge me. You should know that avoiding me has the opposite of the desired effect.

[StrangerCoug]

VOTE COUNT

MissMaggot (1): ewo2
Nekoko (2): Wiibox3, Paschendale
Paschendale (1): Nekoko
Wiibox3 (3): Cheery Dog, MissMaggot, nhammen
Not voting (2): McLucien18, Venrob

With

9

players alive, it takes

5

players to lynch.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2012-09-09 10:13:01).

[Wiibox3]

Wii, competing wagons doesn't tell us much now.

We can't really determine anything decisively important at this time. It's the importance of it later once things get rolling. I've said this a couple times now.

Paschen, way to dodge me. You should know that avoiding me has the opposite of the desired effect.

That's the point I was trying to make.

[Paschendale]

Dodging what now?

[MissMaggot]

I feel that the current Pasch and Neko interaction is a bit too scripted for my liking.

And trying to start up competing wagons right off the bat to distance yourself from someone, and claiming that it's all based on a past game isn't?

Read the past game and you'll understand. xD It was ridiculous.

Why are you now condoning starting early wagons when you were

just

defending it?

Dodging that.

[ewo2]

At the moment my top scumreads are Wii and Nekoko, far and away. Wii's fluff post seems particularly scummy - it fell right after pressure started to come onto him. Additionally, this post seems too defensive:

I didn't want to look all OMGUS. lol. Since it's random voting time I chose Nekoko.

Nekoko's uneccessary explanation for her random vote is in the same vein.

Neither Nekoko nor Wii supported wagons, which are essential to early play.

I understand this is a newbie game, but these seem like newbie mistakes, so it makes sense.

Maggot seems town to me, her response to a wagon forming on her (albeit a small one) was good, so I'm moving my vote.

UNVOTE: Maggot
VOTE: Nekoko

[Nekoko]

Hi everyone! This is my third game in the forums and ever since my first game here,
I became fond of the Random Questioning Stage. It is a way for people to talk more
about substantial things than voting people randomly. So here goes...

Okay, Nekoko likes that RVS isn't just random and wasteful. It brings out meaningful things.

And since I don't go for no-lynches, I will always try to vote the most suspicious player.
Since the day is still young, here is the random vote

VOTE: Paschendale

Right... RVS shouldn't be completely random, and yet here is a random vote. On someone who hasn't even posted yet.

Your argument doesn't make sense.

I did exactly the same thing in the last game
and you're finding me suspicious because of the way I play?

You never even bothered to answer my questions.

In post 7, Nekoko wrote:For some reason Paschendale reminds me of
classical game so that's why I voted you

For a really random reason. Saying one thing and doing another is pretty suspicious. I didn't even base my vote on this originally, but looking back, it looks like laying groundwork for getting away with shoddy logic later on.

Everyone w/ common sense would immediately detect
that it's a random reason to a random vote.

Of course my vote will be switched to suspicious
players eventually but now it seems you're one now.

[Nekoko]

Neither Nekoko nor Wii supported wagons, which are essential to early play.

No one said this was essential in my first two games here.

And to clarify

Isn't it

a bit too early

to generate two competing wagons?

[Venrob]

Well im late. Seems 2 good places to put my vote, both ill have an explaination for...

IC bw, just for being an IC. IC makes good town, but much better scum!

RQS starter bw.
RQS-RANDOM QUESTIONING STAGE
RQS can help the maf in more ways than are obvious.
1.Questions on playstyle for one: maf might look at their answer, maybe find something off from how they are playing? People play different with different roles. Maf might sniff out a power role!
2.Answers containing accidental softclaims:
Not often, but ive seen RQS with an unintentional softclaim, then the maf killed them. Doctor died that way.

Out of these BW's, i go with 2.

Vote: Nekoko

THIS IS AN L-1 VOTE.
if i counted right.

[Cheery Dog]

So you're just going to sheep people?

and you're placing someone onto L-1 with your first post of the game? Do you want someone to come in and derp hammer and end day 1 before everyone has even posted?

I'm not liking your start at all.

unvote,

VOTE: venrob

[Nekoko]

Well im late. Seems 2 good places to put my vote, both ill have an explaination for...

IC bw, just for being an IC. IC makes good town, but much better scum!

So you're choice 1 is the IC because he's just an IC. This doesn't make sense at all.

RQS starter bw.
RQS-RANDOM QUESTIONING STAGE
RQS can help the maf in more ways than are obvious.
1.Questions on playstyle for one: maf might look at their answer, maybe find something off from how they are playing? People play different with different roles. Maf might sniff out a power role!
2.Answers containing accidental softclaims:
Not often, but ive seen RQS with an unintentional softclaim, then the maf killed them. Doctor died that way.

No it's not obvious. If it's obvious, I won't see in newbie games people
starting with random questioning stage. You're putting me at L-1 just
because you disagree with me in RQS

And what the hell is BW anyway

[Wiibox3]

At the moment my top scumreads are Wii and Nekoko, far and away. Wii's fluff post seems particularly scummy - it fell right after pressure started to come onto him. Additionally, this post seems too defensive:

I didn't want to look all OMGUS. lol. Since it's random voting time I chose Nekoko.

Nekoko's uneccessary explanation for her random vote is in the same vein.

Neither Nekoko nor Wii supported wagons, which are essential to early play.

I understand this is a newbie game, but these seem like newbie mistakes, so it makes sense.

Maggot seems town to me, her response to a wagon forming on her (albeit a small one) was good, so I'm moving my vote.

UNVOTE: Maggot
VOTE: Nekoko

I'll ask you a similar question I asked nhammen. What's wrong with playing to the flavor of a game? Isn't that the point of having a game with flavor? If not, what's the point of playing a game that has a theme?

As for the point of not supporting a wagon before everyone has posted yet, I thought I was pretty clear as to why I didn't, though you said it was a scummy reason. But one thing I have learned from my last couple games is that it is that scum likes to try and make town players look scummy early in the first day. This same thing happened in my last game here on mafiascum that one of the SEs called me scummy for voting an OMGUS vote in the RVS, he turned out to be Mafia in the end.

[Paschendale]

Why are you now condoning starting early wagons when you were

just

defending it?

Dodging that.

...

Seriously? I said you were suspect based on the reason you gave for starting the wagons, not for the act itself.

Everyone w/ common sense would immediately detect
that it's a random reason to a random vote.

Of course my vote will be switched to suspicious
players eventually but now it seems you're one now.

Just like with MissMaggot above. The reason given was suspect. You said you don't like random votes, and then gave a vote for a completely random reason. The contradiction, not the action itself, was suspect.

So you're just going to sheep people?

and you're placing someone onto L-1 with your first post of the game? Do you want someone to come in and derp hammer and end day 1 before everyone has even posted?

I'm not liking your start at all.

unvote,

VOTE: venrob

Agreed. That's kinda freaky. And I appreciate that you said "derp hammer", instead of freaking out over a scum quickhammer. Don't derp hammer, everybody!

Venrob has exactly one post to clean up this mess before he gets my vote.

[Venrob]

Well im late. Seems 2 good places to put my vote, both ill have an explaination for...

IC bw, just for being an IC. IC makes good town, but much better scum!

So you're choice 1 is the IC because he's just an IC. This doesn't make sense at all.

RQS starter bw.
RQS-RANDOM QUESTIONING STAGE
RQS can help the maf in more ways than are obvious.
1.Questions on playstyle for one: maf might look at their answer, maybe find something off from how they are playing? People play different with different roles. Maf might sniff out a power role!
2.Answers containing accidental softclaims:
Not often, but ive seen RQS with an unintentional softclaim, then the maf killed them. Doctor died that way.

No it's not obvious. If it's obvious, I won't see in newbie games people
starting with random questioning stage. You're putting me at L-1 just
because you disagree with me in RQS

RQS is fucking idiotic.
IC's can be very bad if they are maf, so that is always a d1 bw option.
Also, ive played a fuckton of games on EM, so im not really newbie. Im just getting a second game so i can use an SE spot instead of newbie spot.

And what the hell is BW anyway

BW is Bandwagon. Epicmafia term. I play mafiascum and EM, so i use terms from both.




FUCKING HELL ITS A FUCKING D1 RVS! EITHER I NO VOTE OR I VOTE! WHAT THE FUCK AM I SUPPOSED TO DO IN RVS!

[Paschendale]

Nope. I am not satisfied. It's not important which bandwagon you think is better. It's important if you think someone is scum and give reasons for that.

Unvote
Vote: Venrob

[MissMaggot]

Pasche, there's a difference between a reason and an accusation. My reason for starting wagons has been repeated plenty of times. Your accusation is that I'm distancing. That was baseless and could be said of anyone currently voting for anyone. I suggest you answer more quickly and substantially next time you're asked a straightforward and simple question like that.

And Venrob, you need to calm down. If you are really town, you're not helping anyone by yelling and cussing and calling peoples' perceptions idiotic. That can create a personality bias against you which can lead to worse things.