Judge, Jury, and Executioner - Over

[guille2015]

The defender wagon is wrong. He made a mistake, but that mistake could be just as easily committed by town as it is from scum. His current play is similar to the last time I played with him when he was town. If defender flips town, there are scum in that wagon, if he flips scum, it is likely that none in the wagon are scum.

[Sir Bastion]

If you believe he's town who do you think is the scum on the wagon? Rather then giving us an if and maybe that requires defender to flip before we know what way to look at it. Nail your colours to the mast and say what you think.


Meanwhile

vote: Gooner

I think you've taken the "MOS is white knighting" as far as you can possibly take it. Actually I think you've taken it beyond the reasonable limits seeing as this was something we discussed well before you discovered it and was quite agreeably resolved that the motive is not there. So let's hear your thoughts elsewhere since beyond me tooing the vijay wagon you havnt given your thoughts on much else.

[Axelrod]

Sry guys, I don't have a lot of time for this game right now. Real life stuff.

Why are you asking me questions you already know the answer to? Do you think I'm suddenly going to say something different? See below, for the umpteenth time:

Didn't occur to me. Kinda figured it was obvious at that point. The lynch on Thor seemed more scum-driven though, since town players are often suckers for VI lynches. After the fact, though, everyone and their mother should have known Arugula was town. Didn't think I needed to point it out.

Has anyone noticed how Axelrod suddenly dropped off the face of the earth after being asked to justify his accusations?

You think I am

ducking

you? That's absolutely hysterical. I made a rather obvious point which something like three other people have also made, and you dismissed it with "show me how that makes me scummy." Well, thanks but no thanks, I feel no need to try and convince you that you are scum.

I might, however, make a push to try and convince some

other

people if/when I get the time/energy. The idea that Argula was so obviously Town to you that you assumed he was so equally obviously Town to everyone else that you just didn't feel the need to say anything at all about him (either before he got run up, during said run up, or afterwards before the day ended) is ridiculous.

oh, I'm not over lynching Nocmen yet. I just dont have anybody there with me. Axelrod is a rather lonely place too, but I think I can stay on that one for a while.

I asked you before and I believe you essentially responded "I can't remember," so, again, can you please spell out what exactly is your reason for voting me?

nope.

I think there's very little reason to bring this up unless you have a scum read on the Nocmen slot. Which you did right? When then get upset when I asked you why you were not voting nocmen?

I

had

a scum read on the Nocmen slot
The actions of the people who very quickly re-wagoned him without, for instance, considering the fact that the Judge must have had a damn good reason not to find him guilty changed that rapidly

I also said this before, but the main reason to lay off Nocmen is not simply because the judge pardoned him - which could have been for several reasons which would not guarantee his Townness at all - but because it just does not make any kind of strategic sense for the scum to have sent a scum Nocmen to an unknown Judge when the other two people on the block were both Town. Under what circumstances does that make any kind of sense? You can play WIFOM games all day long, but this one is more like Occam's Razor.

I've still got plans to examine the Argula wagon more closely when I can find the time.

[Mastermind of Sin]

This stuff happened a long time before the day ended. I think.

When I went V/LA we didn't even know who the third candidate was going to be yet...

You think I am

ducking

you? That's absolutely hysterical. I made a rather obvious point which something like three other people have also made, and you dismissed it with "show me how that makes me scummy." Well, thanks but no thanks, I feel no need to try and convince you that you are scum.

I might, however, make a push to try and convince some

other

people if/when I get the time/energy. The idea that Argula was so obviously Town to you that you assumed he was so equally obviously Town to everyone else that you just didn't feel the need to say anything at all about him (either before he got run up, during said run up, or afterwards before the day ended) is ridiculous.

I'm not asking you to convince me, because I already know that you're wrong. However, just saying something is scummy repeatedly doesn't

make

it scummy, and if you can't come up with even a reasonable explanation that puts my actions behind a possible scum motive, then you need to shut the fuck up and stop making a fool out of yourself.

[StrangerCoug]

Ah, good ol' chunk of OMGUS, eh?

Voting me for seemingly no reason but me suspecting you is totally making you look good bro.

Rope, please.

It is not OMGUS if I come up with an attack back. You have refused to prove how my cases are weak, while I find it rather easy to shoot holes in yours. I find it disappointing that you're not sinking like the Titanic, but nobody is buying what you are selling and it's ridiculously easy to see why. It's not helping all that much that you changed your vote for a little while to the only other person that had a vote on me when you made that post, so apparently, something gives. ...Oh, hey—I said his case on me was weak, too, now didn't I? So how come I'm wasting my time with you and not voting the person I suspect for the same reason as you?

UNVOTE: D3f3nd3r
UNVOTE: Ser Panda
VOTE: Nero Cain
VOTE: Nero Cain

I'll negotiate with you further once it gets into those dense little heads of yours that you need to put actual effort into this game and show how my actions, not the actions of others, make me scummy. There is a reason for everything.

UNVOTE: Sir Bastion
VOTE: StrangerCoug

He reminds me of the Large Normal I played recently in which he was scum.

Care to show us? I enjoy pressure more than you think.

[DCLXVI]

Hi everyone, I'm alive, I've been loosely following the thread over my V/la, I'll post something good tomorrow, probably a few reads and stuff.

[Teleporting Speed Hippos]

AV head is back

The wagons are where they should be atm. Defender's "mistake" was not a town mistake, it was because he was part of a scumteam who's PLAN was to set KoC up for the fall today. Read that post and see where he gives away the fact that they're framing KoC; he didn't expect KoC to come along and claim it outright. He expected to be able to push that mislynch through easily.

That MAKES KoC town.

Nocmen wagon was bad since he didn't get judged, and as I said, everyone on it should feel terrible.
I'm glad NC is getting wagonned, but I don't think it's for the reason I voted him for?

Has Axel ever clarified how his PR works differently from Shadow's?
If not, Axel, clarify now.
If so, link ploxx.

Unvote: Defender x1

- reserving that for an Axel wagon dependent on the outcome of the above question.

[Teleporting Speed Hippos]

Ballsack, that unvote puts Defender beneath KoC wagon.

Vote: Defender

Any AxelWagon that comes later may have my support, even if it doesn't have my vote.

[IceGuy]

Vote Count

D3f3nd3r (7): Nocmen, Teleporting Speed Hippos, Teleporting Speed Hippos, Nocmen, Mastermind of Sin, Mastermind of Sin, Ser Panda

Nero Cain (6): Teleporting Speed Hippos, guille2015, guille2015, Mastermind of Sin, TheShadow, TheShadow
Knight of Cydonia (6): WrathChild, WrathChild, TheShadow, Nero Cain, Axelrod, Nero Cain
vijay2vasandani (6): DoomYoshi, DCLXVI, Knight of Cydonia, DoomYoshi, guille2015, Gooner
TheShadow (6): Quilford, Quilford, DCLXVI, DCLXVI, Nocmen, Nero Cain
Mastermind of Sin (4): Axelrod, Gooner, Gooner, WrathChild
WrathChild (3): Knight of Cydonia, Knight of Cydonia, vijay2vasandani
StrangerCoug (2): Ser Panda, Quilford
Axelrod (2): vijay2vasandani, vijay2vasandani
Ser Panda (2): StrangerCoug, StrangerCoug
DoomYoshi (1): StrangerCoug
Nocmen (1): D3f3nd3r
guille2015 (1): DoomYoshi
whispersilk (1): Ser Panda
Gooner (1): Sir Bastion

8

votes are currently not on a player.

Every player has

3

votes.
With

19

alive, it's

10

to hammer.
There are

57

votes in play,

0

of which are frozen, leaving

57

votes active.

Deadline is August 31st, noon CEST.

UNVOTE: D3f3nd3r
UNVOTE: Ser Panda
VOTE: Nero Cain
VOTE: Nero Cain

You don't have a vote on D3f3nd3r. Ignored all votes, please clarify.

whispersilk is being replaced.

[Gooner]

vote: Gooner

I think you've taken the "MOS is white knighting" as far as you can possibly take it. Actually I think you've taken it beyond the reasonable limits seeing as this was something we discussed well before you discovered it and was quite agreeably resolved that the motive is not there. So let's hear your thoughts elsewhere since beyond me tooing the vijay wagon you havnt given your thoughts on much else.

My main focus at the moment is getting MOS lynched because I find his actions scummy. If someone else gets to about 9-10 votes then expect me to comment more on it but most of the other wagons are null to me at the moment.

[Gooner]

This stuff happened a long time before the day ended. I think.

When I went V/LA we didn't even know who the third candidate was going to be yet...

When I went V/LA we hadn't and I still remember murmurings that Arugula should be an auto kill.

[Ser Panda]

I hate it when my town reads keep fighting with each other.

MoS axelrod Nerocain guile gooner quilford doomyoshi nocmen dcl just stop.

You're all competent town players. just stop bickering. its day 2. Stop overcomplicating the game.

You're all my town reads because you're trying to catch scum. its simple as that. I can look through your posts and see genuine scumhunting there.

The people we are supposed to lynch are the people you're letting coast through the game.

Forget shadow forget v2v. I'm telling you right now that you're wasting your time there.

Forget KoC.

Look at Strangercoug. This guy isn't even trying to catch scum.

And Everybody should just lynch whispersilk.

I'm confident that the slot is scum.

[Quilford]

GUYS THIS GAME IS GOING TOO SLOW AND IF I GET ONE MORE PROD I GET REPLACED AND I DON'T WANNA SO CAN WE JUST LYNCH THESHADOW ALREADY

AND STRANGERCOUG

AND ONE OTHER GUY

[Quilford]

UNVOTE: Sir Bastion
VOTE: StrangerCoug

He reminds me of the Large Normal I played recently in which he was scum.

Care to show us? I enjoy pressure more than you think.

You're super aggro and you threaten other players rather laughably.

[Knight of Cydonia]

UNVOTE: Sir Bastion
VOTE: StrangerCoug

He reminds me of the Large Normal I played recently in which he was scum.

Care to show us? I enjoy pressure more than you think.

You're super aggro and you threaten other players rather laughably.

I believe SC meant for you to show us the game in which he was scum. Not that it matters, because the fact that you're voting him based on meta (something any semi-intelligent player such as Coug can manipulate) shows how gorram weak this wagon is.

[Quilford]

Yes, SC is trying to mislynch himself by manipulating his play here to fit the meta of a game in which he was scum.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=21614

[Axelrod]

I could possibly be persuaded to vote for StrangerCoug. He's bugging me

@Hippo: I have not clarified my role, nor do I feel it's in the Town's interest for me to do so at this juncture. The reason is the same as before, which is that it's much better for the Mafia to be uncertain how it works and when or if they would be safe to nominate one of their own as Executioner.

I am voting for KoC because I'm suspicious of the claim, but I will say this, that IF he's telling the truth, then it could be because the Mafia were afraid to nominate a scum as Executioner due to uncertainty if said person would get "caught." (and also because they had this ability to kill independently anyway?)

[TheShadow]

UNVOTE: KoC

VOTE: Quilford

Yeah.

[Knight of Cydonia]

UNVOTE: KoC

VOTE: Quilford

Yeah.

Thank you for continuing to contribute fucking nothing to this game
Can we please force-replace this fucknugget already

[Ser Panda]

UNVOTE: KoC

VOTE: Quilford

Yeah.

Thank you for continuing to contribute fucking nothing to this game
Can we please force-replace this fucknugget already

I'm seconding this.

[guille2015]

UNVOTE: KoC

VOTE: Quilford

Yeah.

Thank you for continuing to contribute fucking nothing to this game
Can we please force-replace this fucknugget already

I'm seconding this.

Even I am getting annoyed from this.

[IceGuy]

I see where you're coming from, but I'm having serious trouble getting just the necessary replacements, so I'm not inclined to do this unless there's an upsurge in the number of people willing to replace in.

[D3f3nd3r]

Shadow promised a big post 8 days ago in 897. He admits he is lurking in 601. He pleads he is town in 497, and he claims a clearly town-aligned PR in 195 without stating he is town.

Not worth a force replace, but worth a VOTE: Shadow.

[IceGuy]

Vote Count

D3f3nd3r (7): Nocmen, Teleporting Speed Hippos, Teleporting Speed Hippos, Nocmen, Mastermind of Sin, Mastermind of Sin, Ser Panda
TheShadow (7): Quilford, Quilford, DCLXVI, DCLXVI, Nocmen, Nero Cain, D3f3nd3r

Nero Cain (6): Teleporting Speed Hippos, guille2015, guille2015, Mastermind of Sin, TheShadow, TheShadow
vijay2vasandani (6): DoomYoshi, DCLXVI, Knight of Cydonia, DoomYoshi, guille2015, Gooner
Knight of Cydonia (5): WrathChild, WrathChild, Nero Cain, Axelrod, Nero Cain
Mastermind of Sin (4): Axelrod, Gooner, Gooner, WrathChild
WrathChild (3): Knight of Cydonia, Knight of Cydonia, vijay2vasandani
StrangerCoug (2): Ser Panda, Quilford
Axelrod (2): vijay2vasandani, vijay2vasandani
Ser Panda (2): StrangerCoug, StrangerCoug
DoomYoshi (1): StrangerCoug
Nocmen (1): D3f3nd3r
guille2015 (1): DoomYoshi
whispersilk (1): Ser Panda
Gooner (1): Sir Bastion
Quilford (1): TheShadow

8

votes are currently not on a player.

Every player has

3

votes.
With

19

alive, it's

10

to hammer.
There are

57

votes in play,

0

of which are frozen, leaving

57

votes active.

Deadline is August 31st, noon CEST.

[Sir Bastion]

Let's put some fire under those feet

Shadow promised a big post 8 days ago in 897

vote theshadow

That puts you well within lynching range of anyone with 2 votes left. So explain the quilford vote asap.