Judge, Jury, and Executioner - Over

[Teleporting Speed Hippos]

Shadow no one cares. You're not going to give us anything and we're not going to wait for it. Seriously, don't bother posting again unless you have something more than "I will read later" to say.

Let's just put Defender and Nero up, we can deal with Wrath, SB, Whisper, Axel, SC, etc later.

[TheShadow]

Shadow no one cares. You're not going to give us anything and we're not going to wait for it. Seriously, don't bother posting again unless you have something more than "I will read later" to say.

Alright. Fine. Be that way. At this point even though I'm town, and will be confirmed such when I flip,

I hope the scum win

. Jerks like you deserve to lose.

[Teleporting Speed Hippos]

I'm a jerk for not wanting any more empty promises from you?
Okay.

If you have any content to post, post it.

[Nero Cain]

KOC needs death, MOS needs death, SC needs death, Shadow needs death!!!!

[Knight of Cydonia]

Nero needs a case!

[guille2015]

See what you're doing here? This is even more proof that you're scum. It's the town thing to do to admit you need to go to the defendants table, instead, you're getting all pissy about it.

Here's a case for you:
1. You claimed you pardoned Thor
2. Town-Thor was killed
3. You are lying.

THAT'S A FUCKING CASE!

There is no POSSIBLE WAY to excuse this. You need to go to the defendants pool. You are lying scum at worst and a huge liability at best. TOWN-KoC would recognize this and turn himself in. You are SCUM-KoC and are fighting feverently to avoid the Town thing to do.

There is so much logic flowing through this stance and you tell ME I'm sitting there with my ears plugged?!

Can you be any more stubborn. You say there is no possible way, but most people here agree that there is a possibility. Granted, there are two possibilities: A) KoC is lying, and B) There is a PR that can override in some way the executioner in some way. Both are equally possible. There is no evidence that either is more likely than the other, it's just speculation. However, I'd rather send to the gallows someone who is scummier than KoC. The other thing, is that B can be proven easily in the coming days.

[D3f3nd3r]

[bold]UNVOTE: Nocmen
VOTE: Nero
VOTE: Nero[/bold]

Nocmen's gotten townier since I voted him, and idk why I haven't unvoted him yet.

Time to really pressure Nero.

FYI both Nero and I are in hammerable range; him at L-2, me at L-1.

[D3f3nd3r]

UNVOTE: Nocmen
VOTE: Nero
VOTE: Nero

Sorry.

[guille2015]

Ser Panda is town. I've read through SC and Whispersilk. SC day 1 is good, but his day 2 is in fact weak as you say. He does a bit of scumhunting on day 1 but not something that had any effect. Day 1 is null for me and day 2 is leaning scum.

Whispersilk's slot: well, there is nothing much from her. Her votes on KOC are misdirected. If it is true that she hasn't been following the game rather than Actively lurking, which seems to be the case, it is understandable that she would vote for KoC. Her unvote is unclear to me though. I do not see scum motivation in her few posts thought. Her slot is null. (that sounded dirty). Anyways, it's up to N to post his reads and game.

I disagree with your Defender assessment. I get a town read from him. But not enough to be a certainty. What is your argument on Defender again, Ser Panda?

Have you played a close look at Nero Cain?

Unvote: V2V
Vote: StrangerCoug

[Knight of Cydonia]

UNVOTE: Nocmen
VOTE: Nero
VOTE: Nero

Nocmen's gotten townier since I voted him, and idk why I haven't unvoted him yet.

Time to really pressure Nero.

FYI both Nero and I are in hammerable range; him at L-2, me at L-1.

This stinks of "oh shit, I might be lynched, gotta get someone else up here with me." I'm honestly happy with any 2 of Nero, Defender and WrathChild at this point.

[D3f3nd3r]

I've never encountered a problem with voting my counterwagon.

[IceGuy]

Vote Count

D3f3nd3r (9): Nocmen, Teleporting Speed Hippos, Teleporting Speed Hippos, Nocmen, Mastermind of Sin, Ser Panda, DoomYoshi, Mastermind of Sin, TheShadow

Nero Cain (8): Teleporting Speed Hippos, guille2015, guille2015, Mastermind of Sin, StrangerCoug, StrangerCoug, D3f3nd3r, D3f3nd3r
vijay2vasandani (5): DoomYoshi, DCLXVI, Knight of Cydonia, DoomYoshi, Gooner
Knight of Cydonia (5): WrathChild, WrathChild, Nero Cain, Axelrod, Nero Cain
Mastermind of Sin (5): Axelrod, Gooner, Gooner, WrathChild, N
WrathChild (4): Knight of Cydonia, Knight of Cydonia, vijay2vasandani, Sir Bastion
StrangerCoug (3): Ser Panda, Quilford, guille2015
Axelrod (2): vijay2vasandani, vijay2vasandani
Ser Panda (1): StrangerCoug
N (1): Ser Panda

7

votes are currently not on a player.

TheShadow (10): Quilford, Quilford, DCLXVI, DCLXVI, Nocmen, Nero Cain, D3f3nd3r, Sir Bastion, TheShadow, TheShadow

Every player has

3

votes.
With

19

alive, it's

10

to hammer.
There are

57

votes in play,

10

of which are frozen, leaving

47

votes active.

Deadline is August 31st, noon CEST.

[N]

Okay, here are some of my thoughts so far:

I'm inclined to believe KoC's claim. This means, PR-wise, that there's at least one of (a) someone who reverses the executioner's vote (b) disregards the executioner and kills the defendant anyway, or (c) swaps the judge and executioner verdicts. If we're looking at all possibilities, there's (d)KoC's lying, (e) the executioner is like a paranoid cop and gives the opposite result/verdict, or even (f) there's more than one executioner and their verdicts actually count as votes. Now, I don't believe (d) through (f) are likely, and we don't know who the judge was and so can't know if (c) is true.

The judge (who pardoned Nocman) is likely to be someone who wasn't on his wagon. Nocman's played a better game today, so I think they made a good decision, but during day 1 I didn't notice anybody particularly defending him. Maybe he's the judge and got himself? That's just another option I'm throwing out there, and of course there's option (c) from above. I guess we'll see how this progresses.

I think WrathChild has been playing weirdly, especially with his determination to make KoC claim mod-error. I've got three votes, don't I? I'll put one there.
VOTE: WrathChild

Also,

intent to hammer d3f3nd3r

.

[Ser Panda]

@MOD, Arthur-head will be V/LA till indefinitely (moving in/starting college, and not sure how much time needed for things to get sorted, etc). Hopefully, I can get settled quickly and be able to check back here.

[D3f3nd3r]

I'm not the strongest player here, yes I know that.

Well, I'm Vanilla Town.

If I, as town, am hurting the town's chances of winning, do whatever it takes to take me out of the picture and still help the town to a win.

[AurorusVox]

N, you could bring us all some blessings and hammer both Defender and Nero at the same time.
The thrill of the double hammer should be enough.
Do it.

[Teleporting Speed Hippos]

N, you could bring us all some blessings and hammer both Defender and Nero at the same time.
The thrill of the double hammer should be enough.
Do it.

FFS

PS KoC has to die before endgame since he's basically a Framed/Miller claim now. But he doesn't have to die today.

[N]

N, you could bring us all some blessings and hammer both Defender and Nero at the same time.
The thrill of the double hammer should be enough.
Do it.

As far as I can see, you haven't made any votes. If you feel this strongly, vote for them yourself.

[Teleporting Speed Hippos]

It was a hydra-slip pal.

Why the vitriolic response considering part of it was talking about a player you're intending to hammer anyway?

In fact, let's do it this way:

Unvote: Defender x1

Vote: Nero Cain

Now it'll cost you two votes to hammer and Nero is that much closer to being lynched

[N]

It was a hydra-slip pal.

Why the vitriolic response considering part of it was talking about a player you're intending to hammer anyway?

In fact, let's do it this way:

Unvote: Defender x1

Vote: Nero Cain

Now it'll cost you two votes to hammer and Nero is that much closer to being lynched

Oh, whoops. I guess I haven't gotten to know the whole playerlist yet. Why are you so against Nero? I haven't seen him do much.

[Nero Cain]

Nero needs a case!

I

have

a case. I've just been to lazy to post it. I'll get on that though. Even if I'm right (which I think I am) its not like I'm going to be able to convince anybody.

I'm not sure why you care so much about the case on you. This looks alot like scum wanted a case to "discredit it".

Hey, TSH. When I flip town who should be lynched and why?

[Nero Cain]

Nero needs a case!

I

have

a case. I've just been to lazy to post it. I'll get on that though. Even if I'm right (which I think I am) its not like I'm going to be able to convince anybody.

I'm not sure why you care so much about the case on you. This looks alot like scum wanted a case to "discredit it".

Hey, TSH. When I flip town who should be lynched and why?

I think he's chainsawing me here. Both him and MOS are pretty set that I'm scum but I don't know if they ever gave a reason.

[IceGuy]

Vote Count

Nero Cain (9): Teleporting Speed Hippos, guille2015, guille2015, Mastermind of Sin, StrangerCoug, StrangerCoug, D3f3nd3r, D3f3nd3r, Teleporting Speed Hippos

D3f3nd3r (8): Nocmen, Teleporting Speed Hippos, Nocmen, Mastermind of Sin, Ser Panda, DoomYoshi, Mastermind of Sin, TheShadow
vijay2vasandani (5): DoomYoshi, DCLXVI, Knight of Cydonia, DoomYoshi, Gooner
Knight of Cydonia (5): WrathChild, WrathChild, Nero Cain, Axelrod, Nero Cain
Mastermind of Sin (5): Axelrod, Gooner, Gooner, WrathChild, N
WrathChild (5): Knight of Cydonia, Knight of Cydonia, vijay2vasandani, Sir Bastion, N
StrangerCoug (3): Ser Panda, Quilford, guille2015
Axelrod (2): vijay2vasandani, vijay2vasandani
Ser Panda (1): StrangerCoug
N (1): Ser Panda

6

votes are currently not on a player.

TheShadow (10): Quilford, Quilford, DCLXVI, DCLXVI, Nocmen, Nero Cain, D3f3nd3r, Sir Bastion, TheShadow, TheShadow

Every player has

3

votes.
With

19

alive, it's

10

to hammer.
There are

57

votes in play,

10

of which are frozen, leaving

47

votes active.

Deadline is August 31st, noon CEST.

[Teleporting Speed Hippos]

N should be fucking lynched whatever you flip because he's avoided answering my question with a sneaky "oopsie"

N - why did you react aversely to me asking you to hammer someone you have already expressed an intention to hammer?

The tangible parts of case on NC basically boils down to disliking his push against Nocmen today more than I disliked anyone else's push. That entire wagon was VERY SUSPECT and of all of the people on it, NC sticks out as the person who should have realised it was a bad idea. I can't remember anything else he's done that's scummy or townie, so take that as you will.

But if NC was town I'd look at the remainder of the Nocmen wagon-that-was. I'll go look to see who else was on it brb.

[Teleporting Speed Hippos]

At its height (and when it was the leading wagon) the Nocmen wagon was (7) D3f3nd3r, Quilford, DoomYoshi, TheShadow, TheShadow, Nero Cain, vijay2vasandani

Bearing in mind that this was a flash wagon from the start of the day with an obvious "reason" (he didn't die at night), I wonder why most of these players didn't have double votes on him (which would have easily secured his lynch). I suspect it's because there is some town (Shadow, DY?) mixed in with at least two scummz but it's such an "easy" mislynch that they didn't feel the need to exert themselves and tie down to a big wagon together.

Lynch that entire wagon and you won't be going far wrong. Any town that are on it are all too dangerous to take to LYLO anyway.

After NC I'd go v2v and Quil, leave DY for last because I think I remember him saying some townish things?
Basically I'm mining that bitch for gold-plated caughtScum.