Judge, Jury, and Executioner - Over

[Knight of Cydonia]

At its height (and when it was the leading wagon) the Nocmen wagon was (7) D3f3nd3r, Quilford, DoomYoshi, TheShadow, TheShadow, Nero Cain, vijay2vasandani

Bearing in mind that this was a flash wagon from the start of the day with an obvious "reason" (he didn't die at night), I wonder why most of these players didn't have double votes on him (which would have easily secured his lynch). I suspect it's because there is some town (Shadow, DY?) mixed in with at least two scummz but it's such an "easy" mislynch that they didn't feel the need to exert themselves and tie down to a big wagon together.

Lynch that entire wagon and you won't be going far wrong. Any town that are on it are all too dangerous to take to LYLO anyway.

After NC I'd go v2v and Quil, leave DY for last because I think I remember him saying some townish things?
Basically I'm mining that bitch for gold-plated caughtScum.

This is a fucking A* post, good job, carry on

[guille2015]

At its height (and when it was the leading wagon) the Nocmen wagon was (7) D3f3nd3r, Quilford, DoomYoshi, TheShadow, TheShadow, Nero Cain, vijay2vasandani

Bearing in mind that this was a flash wagon from the start of the day with an obvious "reason" (he didn't die at night), I wonder why most of these players didn't have double votes on him (which would have easily secured his lynch). I suspect it's because there is some town (Shadow, DY?) mixed in with at least two scummz but it's such an "easy" mislynch that they didn't feel the need to exert themselves and tie down to a big wagon together.

Lynch that entire wagon and you won't be going far wrong. Any town that are on it are all too dangerous to take to LYLO anyway.

After NC I'd go v2v and Quil, leave DY for last because I think I remember him saying some townish things?
Basically I'm mining that bitch for gold-plated caughtScum.

This is a fucking A* post, good job, carry on

QFT

[N]

N should be fucking lynched whatever you flip because he's avoided answering my question with a sneaky "oopsie"

N - why did you react aversely to me asking you to hammer someone you have already expressed an intention to hammer?

Holy overreaction! I thought you were a player who hadn't made any votes telling me what to do with mine, and I thought "why is this guy pushing me around? Is he trying to make me take the fall for two hammers when he can just do it himself?" I was annoyed, and I think most people would think the same way. You just took a mistaken "you know you have votes too right? Do it yourself" and replied with a "death to all those who think differently than me!" Now, have I answered your question to your liking or are you going to continue to make a mountain out of a molehill?

I don't feel comfortable making a double vote, because that effectively halves the quota for hammering. Both Arugula's and Thor's wagons were full of double-voting, Have a look at Nero's wagon: out of nine votes, there are four people voting twice.

[WrathChild]

See what you're doing here? This is even more proof that you're scum. It's the town thing to do to admit you need to go to the defendants table, instead, you're getting all pissy about it.

Here's a case for you:
1. You claimed you pardoned Thor
2. Town-Thor was killed
3. You are lying.

THAT'S A FUCKING CASE!

There is no POSSIBLE WAY to excuse this. You need to go to the defendants pool. You are lying scum at worst and a huge liability at best. TOWN-KoC would recognize this and turn himself in. You are SCUM-KoC and are fighting feverently to avoid the Town thing to do.

There is so much logic flowing through this stance and you tell ME I'm sitting there with my ears plugged?!

WrathChild, that makes ABSOLUTELY no sense whatsoever.

Scum KoC would never have bothered claiming he was the executioner in the first place.

Also, town players should NEVER want themselves sent to the gallows, even if it means they might get pardoned. It's not at ALL protown to accept that you might die, when there are scum out there who could take your place and hopefully get executed.

WrathChild dies tomorrow. No exceptions.

Right now we need to finish off Nero Cain and Defender, though.

The whole reason I'm saying that Scum-KoC claimed executioner was BECAUSE OF THE TWO CLAIMED ROLES THAT COULD TRACK HIM, if he didn't claim it and was tracked he'd be auto-lynched, by claiming there were come sort of shenanigans he's creating doubt and WIFOM.

[Nero Cain]

Yea I wasn't even voting for Nocmen 'cause he was still alive so this makes no sense.

VOTE: nocmen I cant believe I was wrong about my gut with arugula, this time it is more cut-and-dry though.

VOTE: Nocmen

Same reason as yesterday.

If anything, him still being alive confirms my scumread on Nocmen that resulted in my hammering his wagon at the end of day 1.

VOTE: Nocmen
VOTE: Nocmen

Vijay and Whisper gave no reasoning in thier vote post. I think defenders and quils vote is fine since I don't have reads that magically change during the night. The ones that actually voted for Nocmen since he was still alive was Shadow and Yoshi. If you're gonna try to scumhunt atleast accuse the right people. And not only do you accuse the wrong people but you propose a incredibly dumb chain lynch while the person that

ACTUALLY

did what you are calling scummy is being saved for last.

Is Yoshi your scumbuddy and you're trying to get him some town cred?

And I hate hate hate hate hate hate confscumKOC and gullie cheerleading an obvious bullshit case.

[WrathChild]

What about the possibility of decision manipulation from a PR? why are you so adamant that this has to be exactly what happened! KoC must be lying!

That goes far too much in to speculation world. This game has some weird mechanics, but when something happens like it did, I look at facts and don't waste my time imagining any role I can that could possibly fit the bill.

[Nero Cain]

I was going to mention it later but I was in a game awhile ago where doctor claimed to have protected a player, player dies durring the night, "doctor" is lynched and flips scum so I don't think its anything impossible for KOC to be a liar.

[WrathChild]

Wrathchild: Scum, the way he is going after KoC it just absolutely ridiculous. KoC never claimed mod error. I don't get why he keeps harping on this.

He never even questioned it is the problem. Honestly, if you were in his shoes, would you actually take the time to write a PM to the mod to ask if you could post his defense statement without even bringing up the issue of Thor being dead regardless of your pardon?

Seriously, answer this question. Everyone take a minute and go into KoC's shoes. Let me set the stage and repeat this. You are selected as the Executioner tonight, you are sent OBV-Town Thor, you send in a pardon to the mod, Thor dies regardless.

What's the first thing that you do?

A. Send a PM to the mod making sure that your pardon was properly received
B. Send a PM to the mod asking if you can share his defense statement

This is an easy multiple choice question and everyone who is signing off on giving KoC a free pass and subsequently calling me scum for pushing his lynch should truthfully answer this question.

[N]

What's the first thing that you do?

A. Send a PM to the mod making sure that your pardon was properly received
B. Send a PM to the mod asking if you can share his defense statement

This is an easy multiple choice question and everyone who is signing off on giving KoC a free pass and subsequently calling me scum for pushing his lynch should truthfully answer this question.

I don't know if it would be the

first

thing I'd do, but definitely B. I can understand a mod making an error in a day-lynch, where votes can be miscounted, but night actions are pretty cut-and-dry. I think I would do pretty much the same thing KoC did: post in thread, stating his confusion.

[Knight of Cydonia]

How many times do I need to repeat "IceGuy is not an idiot who would frak up his game that badly" before you listen, WrathChild?
But fine.

Mod: Could you please confirm in thread that my choice was enacted correctly?

[Ser Panda]

I disagree with your Defender assessment. I get a town read from him. But not enough to be a certainty. What is your argument on Defender again, Ser Panda?

Have you played a close look at Nero Cain?

I've read all of defenders posts. And I don't have a town read on him.

I have a town read on nero-cain.

and defender sneakily voted for shadow who I'm pretty sure is town.

[Ser Panda]

What's the first thing that you do?

A. Send a PM to the mod making sure that your pardon was properly received
B. Send a PM to the mod asking if you can share his defense statement

This is an easy multiple choice question and everyone who is signing off on giving KoC a free pass and subsequently calling me scum for pushing his lynch should truthfully answer this question.

I don't know if it would be the

first

thing I'd do, but definitely B. I can understand a mod making an error in a day-lynch, where votes can be miscounted, but night actions are pretty cut-and-dry. I think I would do pretty much the same thing KoC did: post in thread, stating his confusion.

I have to admit my town read on nero-cain was slipping and my scumread on KoC was going away but yeah thanks N for making it clear for me.

N and KoC are scum.

N is definitely scum. I think KoC is after this post but I'm not as comfortable lynching him as I am with lynching N and strangercoug.

I'm willing to work with anyone here to get either N or strangercoug lynched.

Wrathchild, nero-cain help me lynch either one of them today and I'll get on the KoC wagon tomorrow.

[N]

What.

[Teleporting Speed Hippos]

You can read "Him being alive" as a continuation of D1 reads. "He's still alive, I thought he was scum yesterday, vote: xxx" right?

The reason that wagon is bad is because PUT YOURSELVES IN SCUM'S SHOES

Nocmen gets run up to lynch.
Where do they send him?
OH GUESS WHAT
To the same person who pardoned him N1.

Whether he's scum or town, he'll be sent there, and still be alive tomorrow, and whoopee, scum have stolen another vital spot of town justice away from us AND are still allowed to herpaderp on the wagon tomorrow with the SAME FUCKING REASONS.

N you are pretty obvScum so you can drop the indignation.

Why wouldn't you want to Double Vote someone you thought was scum?
Why wouldn't you want to Double Vote someone you were willing to hammer?

[WrathChild]

How many times do I need to repeat "IceGuy is not an idiot who would frak up his game that badly" before you listen, WrathChild?
But fine.

Mod: Could you please confirm in thread that my choice was enacted correctly?

If we get clarification on this, I'd be willing to drop this for now. However, what I've said still needs to hold true, you can not go to end game with something like this on your record.

[WrathChild]

What's the first thing that you do?

A. Send a PM to the mod making sure that your pardon was properly received
B. Send a PM to the mod asking if you can share his defense statement

This is an easy multiple choice question and everyone who is signing off on giving KoC a free pass and subsequently calling me scum for pushing his lynch should truthfully answer this question.

I don't know if it would be the

first

thing I'd do, but definitely B. I can understand a mod making an error in a day-lynch, where votes can be miscounted, but night actions are pretty cut-and-dry. I think I would do pretty much the same thing KoC did: post in thread, stating his confusion.

So given that you just had a two option choice and stated that option B was NOT the first thing to do, A would have been correct?

[N]

I can see why there were a couple people getting annoyed at you douchebags earlier on. You keep saying the same thing over and over in the hope that if you say it enough times, it will be true.

N you are pretty obvScum so you can drop the indignation.

Why wouldn't you want to Double Vote someone you thought was scum?
Why wouldn't you want to Double Vote someone you were willing to hammer?

I didn't want to double vote Nero because I don't think he's scum. Same reason I don't want to single vote him.
D3f3nd3r has claimed; I made my point. What's the point at this stage?

[N]

What's the first thing that you do?

A. Send a PM to the mod making sure that your pardon was properly received
B. Send a PM to the mod asking if you can share his defense statement

This is an easy multiple choice question and everyone who is signing off on giving KoC a free pass and subsequently calling me scum for pushing his lynch should truthfully answer this question.

I don't know if it would be the

first

thing I'd do,

but definitely B

. I can understand a mod making an error in a day-lynch, where votes can be miscounted, but night actions are pretty cut-and-dry. I think I would do pretty much the same thing KoC did: post in thread, stating his confusion.

So given that you just had a two option choice and stated that option B was NOT the first thing to do, A would have been correct?

but definitely B

but definitely B

but definitely B

[WrathChild]

B is for Bullshit

[Knight of Cydonia]

And D is for Deliberately misrepresenting what N said in order to further your bullshit
But please carry on

[N]

I don't understand why it

has

to be a mod-error. Take some fucking responsibility for yourself and accept that not everything is somebody else's fault.

[WrathChild]

And D is for Deliberately misrepresenting what N said in order to further your bullshit
But please carry on

Read the quote. How did I misrep? He was deliberately vague.

I don't understand why it

has

to be a mod-error. Take some fucking responsibility for yourself and accept that not everything is somebody else's fault.

I'm not saying it's a mod-error, I'm saying KoC is a liar.

[N]

And D is for Deliberately misrepresenting what N said in order to further your bullshit
But please carry on

Read the quote. How did I misrep? He was deliberately vague.

How is "definitely B" vague?

[Nero Cain]

How many times do I need to repeat "IceGuy is not an idiot who would frak up his game that badly" before you listen, WrathChild?
But fine.

Mod: Could you please confirm in thread that my choice was enacted correctly?

If we get clarification on this, I'd be willing to drop this for now. However, what I've said still needs to hold true, you can not go to end game with something like this on your record.

Its not like the mod is going tell us what he sent. He could still have still sent in an execute vice pardon and the mod would have correctly activated it.

When I die today lynch TSH and Yoshi ASAP!!!

[WrathChild]

And D is for Deliberately misrepresenting what N said in order to further your bullshit
But please carry on

Read the quote. How did I misrep? He was deliberately vague.

How is "definitely B" vague?

No, it's this part:

"I don't know if it would be the

first

thing I'd do,"