Judge, Jury, and Executioner - Over

[AurorusVox]

I can see why there were a couple people getting annoyed at you douchebags earlier on. You keep saying the same thing over and over in the hope that if you say it enough times, it will be true.

N you are pretty obvScum so you can drop the indignation.

Why wouldn't you want to Double Vote someone you thought was scum?
Why wouldn't you want to Double Vote someone you were willing to hammer?

I didn't want to double vote Nero because I don't think he's scum. Same reason I don't want to single vote him.
D3f3nd3r has claimed; I made my point. What's the point at this stage?

Sure but I'm not talking about NC now. I'm talking about Defender. You thought he was scum enough to declare hammer intent. Now that it comes to it (after he claimed VT of all things) you're shrinking away. If you think he's scum enough to be hammered, what's wrong with double-voting hammering him?

And D is for Deliberately misrepresenting what N said in order to further your bullshit
But please carry on

WC stretching to distance a partner?

N is scum, but not for the "reason" WC posted.

[WrathChild]

Wrathchild: Scum, the way he is going after KoC it just absolutely ridiculous. KoC never claimed mod error. I don't get why he keeps harping on this.

He never even questioned it is the problem. Honestly, if you were in his shoes, would you actually take the time to write a PM to the mod to ask if you could post his defense statement without even bringing up the issue of Thor being dead regardless of your pardon?

Seriously, answer this question. Everyone take a minute and go into KoC's shoes. Let me set the stage and repeat this. You are selected as the Executioner tonight, you are sent OBV-Town Thor, you send in a pardon to the mod, Thor dies regardless.

What's the first thing that you do?

A. Send a PM to the mod making sure that your pardon was properly received
B. Send a PM to the mod asking if you can share his defense statement

This is an easy multiple choice question and everyone who is signing off on giving KoC a free pass and subsequently calling me scum for pushing his lynch should truthfully answer this question.

Bump for TSH

[Teleporting Speed Hippos]

I can see why there were a couple people getting annoyed at you douchebags earlier on. You keep saying the same thing over and over in the hope that if you say it enough times, it will be true.

N you are pretty obvScum so you can drop the indignation.

Why wouldn't you want to Double Vote someone you thought was scum?
Why wouldn't you want to Double Vote someone you were willing to hammer?

I didn't want to double vote Nero because I don't think he's scum. Same reason I don't want to single vote him.
D3f3nd3r has claimed; I made my point. What's the point at this stage?

Sure but I'm not talking about NC now. I'm talking about Defender. You thought he was scum enough to declare hammer intent. Now that it comes to it (after he claimed VT of all things) you're shrinking away. If you think he's scum enough to be hammered, what's wrong with double-voting hammering him?

And D is for Deliberately misrepresenting what N said in order to further your bullshit
But please carry on

WC stretching to distance a partner?

N is scum, but not for the "reason" WC posted.

Quote for TSH

I'd do both at the same time probs just to be sure. Lemme go back real quick and see if KoC posted before or after people started hankering for defence statements (although really WC should have done this)

[N]

And D is for Deliberately misrepresenting what N said in order to further your bullshit
But please carry on

Read the quote. How did I misrep? He was deliberately vague.

How is "definitely B" vague?

No, it's this part:

"I don't know if it would be the

first

thing I'd do,"

Sure it's vague, but it's also out of context.

I can see why there were a couple people getting annoyed at you douchebags earlier on. You keep saying the same thing over and over in the hope that if you say it enough times, it will be true.

N you are pretty obvScum so you can drop the indignation.

Why wouldn't you want to Double Vote someone you thought was scum?
Why wouldn't you want to Double Vote someone you were willing to hammer?

I didn't want to double vote Nero because I don't think he's scum. Same reason I don't want to single vote him.
D3f3nd3r has claimed; I made my point. What's the point at this stage?

Sure but I'm not talking about NC now. I'm talking about Defender. You thought he was scum enough to declare hammer intent. Now that it comes to it (after he claimed VT of all things) you're shrinking away. If you think he's scum enough to be hammered, what's wrong with double-voting hammering him?

I'm sorry I'm not giving you the answer you want, but I am happy to leave Defender where he is. He's made his claim and I don't see any reason to disbelieve that yet. Can we move on to something actually important now? Also, if you're going to sign up with a fucking hydra, use it when you post.

[Teleporting Speed Hippos]

[Teleporting Speed Hippos]

N: "I intend to hammer Defender"
D: "I am VT."
T: "Hammer him and Nero."
N: "I don't have a scumread."
T: "Hammer Defender."
N: "I don't like double voting."
T: "You wanted to hammer him. What difference does it make?"
N: "I don't have a scumread."
T: "You wanted to hammer him."
N: "I believe the claim."

(recap: D: "I claim VT.")

See Shadow, if you hadn't selfhammered, we could have sent N up to the gallows as well.

[Nero Cain]

1. StrangerCoug
2. Teleporting Speed Hippos
5. guille2015
13. Knight of Cydonia
15. DoomYoshi
16. Mastermind of Sin
17. N

^-^
betting the scum team is in here

[AurorusVox]

Nero I'm actually willing to let you live and join you on N if you'd drop 2 votes on there.
You game?

[Nero Cain]

You think I'm scum but your willing to let me live?

keep on scum claiming.

[AurorusVox]

Your buddy isn't willing to bus, but you might be. I'd rather scum bus than vote town (i.e. TheShadow)

[Nero Cain]

Don't have any buddies. You might be distancing from scumbuddy Whisper/N but my read is higher on you. Is there a reason why you did not respond to my rebuttal to your obvcrapcase?

[Teleporting Speed Hippos]

Nero I'm actually willing to let you live and join you on N if you'd drop 2 votes on there.
You game?

Your buddy isn't willing to bus, but you might be. I'd rather scum bus than vote town (i.e. TheShadow)

(may just replace out in favour of AV. Sorry, I'm juggling other games atm)

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@Nero, please see

You can read "Him being alive" as a continuation of D1 reads. "He's still alive, I thought he was scum yesterday, vote: xxx" right?

The reason that wagon is bad is because PUT YOURSELVES IN SCUM'S SHOES

Nocmen gets run up to lynch.
Where do they send him?
OH GUESS WHAT
To the same person who pardoned him N1.

Whether he's scum or town, he'll be sent there, and still be alive tomorrow, and whoopee, scum have stolen another vital spot of town justice away from us AND are still allowed to herpaderp on the wagon tomorrow with the SAME FUCKING REASONS.

[Axelrod]

Well, much as I have disliked him this game, I have a hard time believing Shadow self-hammered as scum. I think that's just very hard to do ever, even in a game like this, where hammer does not = automatic death. I've seen scum give up and self hammer, but his "I'm Town but I hope the scum win" post doesnt exactly read like a huge fakeout either.

I am not one to ever policy lynch someone I think is Town just to get them out of the game. That's basically cutting off our nose to spite our face. So, I guess what I'm saying is I will argue against whoever has to judge Shadow killing him tonight, and if he lives hope for a replacement tomorrow.

I also spent some time looking at the Argula wagon. I don't feel like doing another huge post no one wants to read, but the quick hits are that the people who came off looking worst on that wagon were:

1) Quilford - "random" vote that never went away.
2) Vijay - more "random" votes that never go away.
3) DoomYoshi - sheeping
4) Nero Cain - barning Ser Panda

People who looked the best (on or off the wagon)

1) Gooner
2) Nocmen
3) Ser Panda

@ Guille:

See what you're doing here? This is even more proof that you're scum. It's the town thing to do to admit you need to go to the defendants table, instead, you're getting all pissy about it.

Here's a case for you:
1. You claimed you pardoned Thor
2. Town-Thor was killed
3. You are lying.

THAT'S A FUCKING CASE!

There is no POSSIBLE WAY to excuse this. You need to go to the defendants pool. You are lying scum at worst and a huge liability at best. TOWN-KoC would recognize this and turn himself in. You are SCUM-KoC and are fighting feverently to avoid the Town thing to do.

There is so much logic flowing through this stance and you tell ME I'm sitting there with my ears plugged?!

Can you be any more stubborn. You say there is no possible way, but most people here agree that there is a possibility. Granted, there are two possibilities: A) KoC is lying, and B) There is a PR that can override in some way the executioner in some way.

Both are equally possible. There is no evidence that either is more likely than the other, it's just speculation.

However, I'd rather send to the gallows someone who is scummier than KoC. The other thing, is that B can be proven easily in the coming days.

Why do you say both these things are "equally" possible? Is that what you really mean? Or do you mean you think the one where KoC is telling the

Truth

is more likely?

I'm going to go and try to come up with an informed opinion about Defender and Nero Cain next.

[guille2015]

I might have misused the word "equally". I am saying that we currently cannot say that one is more likely than the other. We cannot say that one is absolutely a feature in the game. There is a possibility that this game has a PR like that, and there is a possibility that KOC is lying. Both are NOT mutually exclusive. As I think about this from this perspective, if KoC is lying, that would mean that he is scum with knowledge of whether this PR exists or not. The gambit would fail if town can realize that this PR doesn't exist. But the gambit will succeed if the PR does exist and is verified by Town on later days. Regardless of whether KoC is Lying or not, The existence of such a PR is very likely.

[Sir Bastion]

And D is for Deliberately misrepresenting what N said in order to further your bullshit
But please carry on

Read the quote. How did I misrep? He was deliberately vague.

How is "definitely B" vague?

No, it's this part:

"I don't know if it would be the

first

thing I'd do,"

english is not your first language is it?

[WrathChild]

It was an A or B question. Deal with it.

[DoomYoshi]

UNVOTE: Defender

VOTE: Wrathchild

I am not sure if you are of the "in for a penny, in for a pound" mindset, or if you are just trying to convince us you are. However, this stubbornness isn't helping at all.

I wouldn't pm the mod because I trust the mod to have dealt with it properly - any mod, not just ice guy ( who I don't know).

As for my nocmen votes, I hadn't properly thought out the implications of him living.

[WrathChild]

Haha, I'm being wagoned for what? Being stubborn? Total scum tell.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Persisting with a terrible case which people have explained to you why it's terrible several times, in the face of indisputable good logic, shows you to either be a VI who will do what the fuck he wants (which I sure as hell don't want at endgame) or scum (likewise).

[StrangerCoug]

Shadow no one cares. You're not going to give us anything and we're not going to wait for it. Seriously, don't bother posting again unless you have something more than "I will read later" to say.

Alright. Fine. Be that way. At this point even though I'm town, and will be confirmed such when I flip,

I hope the scum win

. Jerks like you deserve to lose.

*shoots self in head*

Nero needs a case!

I

have

a case. I've just been to lazy to post it.

We need it quickly. Tick, tock.

Lynch that entire wagon and you won't be going far wrong. Any town that are on it are all too dangerous to take to LYLO anyway.

Congratulations, you're now a candidate for WrathChild's scumbuddy. Just because Nocmen's most likely town does not mean that we should lynch everybody voting him.

FoS: Teleporting Speed Hippos

The whole reason I'm saying that Scum-KoC claimed executioner was BECAUSE OF THE TWO CLAIMED ROLES THAT COULD TRACK HIM, if he didn't claim it and was tracked he'd be auto-lynched, by claiming there were come sort of shenanigans he's creating doubt and WIFOM.

Not buying. The executioner can be any non-defendant and I'd do the same in his situation as town.

What's the first thing that you do?

A. Send a PM to the mod making sure that your pardon was properly received
B. Send a PM to the mod asking if you can share his defense statement

This is an easy multiple choice question and everyone who is signing off on giving KoC a free pass and subsequently calling me scum for pushing his lynch should truthfully answer this question.

A.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Unvote: Defender, Unvote: Defender

Vote: Nero Cain

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Unfortunately, I'm starting to think that WrathChild is too daft to be scum. He wouldn't be pushing such a terrible case THIS hard if he was scum.

[StrangerCoug]

There goes one of my scum reads. If we can't get Ser Panda, I'll hop on WrathChild—he hasn't been forgotten.

[Nocmen]

N should be fucking lynched whatever you flip because he's avoided answering my question with a sneaky "oopsie"

N - why did you react aversely to me asking you to hammer someone you have already expressed an intention to hammer?

Holy overreaction! I thought you were a player who hadn't made any votes telling me what to do with mine, and I thought "why is this guy pushing me around? Is he trying to make me take the fall for two hammers when he can just do it himself?" I was annoyed, and I think most people would think the same way. You just took a mistaken "you know you have votes too right? Do it yourself" and replied with a "death to all those who think differently than me!" Now, have I answered your question to your liking or are you going to continue to make a mountain out of a molehill?

I don't feel comfortable making a double vote, because that effectively halves the quota for hammering. Both Arugula's and Thor's wagons were full of double-voting, Have a look at Nero's wagon: out of nine votes, there are four people voting twice.

Wait, what?

I can see why there were a couple people getting annoyed at you douchebags earlier on. You keep saying the same thing over and over in the hope that if you say it enough times, it will be true.

N you are pretty obvScum so you can drop the indignation.

Why wouldn't you want to Double Vote someone you thought was scum?
Why wouldn't you want to Double Vote someone you were willing to hammer?

I didn't want to double vote Nero because I don't think he's scum. Same reason I don't want to single vote him.
D3f3nd3r has claimed; I made my point. What's the point at this stage?

You intend to hammer to do what? Force a claim? That's all I've gotten out of this.

Axel - Why did Gooner look so good on that wagon?

I really want to see N go. Those are horrible posts. Not going to drop off d3 yet, but if the rest of the wagon dies as these few votes have, I'm switching both to N.

[DCLXVI]

Others have pointed this out but yeah this is bad.

Also, intent to hammer d3f3nd3r.

You don't say you are going to hammer someone if you don't suspect them of being scum.

I don't feel comfortable making a double vote,

But wait, if he doesn't want to double vote, why declare intent to hammer?

I am happy to leave Defender where he is. He's made his claim and I don't see any reason to disbelieve that yet.

There is a ton of scum intent in these three posts. Scum benefit a lot more from getting prs lynched than vts (if defender is telling the truth). There is a ton of scum motivation behind jumping off the vt wagon and looking at someone else to run up.

This along with the bs of declaring intent to hammer only later say he wouldn't have hammered cause he wouldn't want to double vote is very scummy.

UNVOTE: vijay
VOTE: N

[Nero Cain]

no more votes until I get get final ses/reads up!!!!