Judge, Jury, and Executioner - Over

[Mastermind of Sin]

Wow you

are

dumb. Are you new or something?

You made a point out of saying that you thought the small numbers on the Nero wagon meant he *had* to have scum on it (which is kind of an absurd idea to begin with). You based this conclusion off the assumption that Nero was town and that his wagon did not have very many people on it. Yet you completely ignored the similarly-sized wagon that was on a player

who has already flipped town

. Shadow wasn't scum and he's been pretty obviously not scum for quite some time now (which I pointed out

at length

on Day 1), yet you made a specific point of white knighting Nero instead of using that same theory on the proven information we have to work with from our flip today.

That's not a protown thought process. At all.

[N]

Can I point your attention to #1273 before you go off on another tangent of "I was right, everyone else sucks!"

Are you new or something?

Actually, yes I am.

[IceGuy]

Vote Count

N (8): Ser Panda, DCLXVI, Nocmen, Nocmen, Teleporting Speed Hippos, Ser Panda, Nero Cain, Mastermind of Sin

WrathChild (6): Knight of Cydonia, Knight of Cydonia, vijay2vasandani, N, DoomYoshi, StrangerCoug
Mastermind of Sin (5): Axelrod, Gooner, Gooner, WrathChild, N
Knight of Cydonia (4): WrathChild, WrathChild, Nero Cain, Axelrod
vijay2vasandani (4): DoomYoshi, Knight of Cydonia, DoomYoshi, Gooner
StrangerCoug (3): Ser Panda, Quilford, guille2015
Axelrod (2): vijay2vasandani, vijay2vasandani

4

votes are currently not on a player.

(modkilled) (10): Quilford, Quilford, DCLXVI, DCLXVI, Nocmen, Nero Cain, D3f3nd3r, Sir Bastion, (modkilled), (modkilled)
Nero Cain (10): Teleporting Speed Hippos, guille2015, guille2015, Mastermind of Sin, StrangerCoug, StrangerCoug, D3f3nd3r, D3f3nd3r, Teleporting Speed Hippos, Mastermind of Sin

Every player has

3

votes.
With

18

alive, it's

10

to hammer.
There are

54

votes in play,

18

of which are frozen, leaving

36

votes active.

Deadline is August 31st, noon CEST.

VOTE: Sir Bastion

All of your votes are already on players. Ignored.

[Nero Cain]

Are you new or something?

That 2012 join date is hard to spot.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Are you new or something?

That 2012 join date is hard to spot.

That sarcasm is hard to spot.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Someone hammer this fool. Let's rid ourselves of some scum.

[vijay2vasandani]

UNVOTE: Axelrod x 2
VOTE: Wraithchild
N

[Teleporting Speed Hippos]

Nero you said:

The reason I was voting Nocmen is 'cause I thought he was in the jury and didn't voice his opinion about Aurg but SB corrected me and told me he wasn't in the jury last night. So I unvoted.

@Defender: Was the jury unanimous, was there discussion in the QT?

There was little discussion, most people just gave statements on why they thought arugula was scum. Only one player said they didnt think he was. Whispersilk.

The jury was:

Me

DCLXVI

Gooner

Whispersilk

Axelrod

Wrathchild

Defender

Those who voted were: Me, Axelrod, wrathchild and DCLXVI

I voted first, then DCLXVI and wrathchild and Axelrod hammered

Nobody voted not guilty though whispersilk raised doubts of his scumminess

gooner never posted at all

based on the jury alone

vote: Whispersilk, Vote: Gooner, Vote: Gooner

Whispersilk for the very late input (he posted when arugula was at l-1) with little or not effort, felt a bit like someone covering their ass.

Gooner for not giving any input at all. I'd like to hear thoughts soon please.

vote:koc
vote:nocmen
vote:SC

Why then did you not vote Whispersilk or Gooner?

Still happy that Nero is scum.

@Vijay, hammer N.

[IceGuy]

Vote Count

N (9): Ser Panda, DCLXVI, Nocmen, Nocmen, Teleporting Speed Hippos, Ser Panda, Nero Cain, Mastermind of Sin, vijay2vasandani

WrathChild (7): Knight of Cydonia, Knight of Cydonia, vijay2vasandani, N, DoomYoshi, StrangerCoug, vijay2vasandani
Mastermind of Sin (5): Axelrod, Gooner, Gooner, WrathChild, N
Knight of Cydonia (4): WrathChild, WrathChild, Nero Cain, Axelrod
vijay2vasandani (4): DoomYoshi, Knight of Cydonia, DoomYoshi, Gooner
StrangerCoug (3): Ser Panda, Quilford, guille2015

4

votes are currently not on a player.

(modkilled) (10): Quilford, Quilford, DCLXVI, DCLXVI, Nocmen, Nero Cain, D3f3nd3r, Sir Bastion, (modkilled), (modkilled)
Nero Cain (10): Teleporting Speed Hippos, guille2015, guille2015, Mastermind of Sin, StrangerCoug, StrangerCoug, D3f3nd3r, D3f3nd3r, Teleporting Speed Hippos, Mastermind of Sin

Every player has

3

votes.
With

18

alive, it's

10

to hammer.
There are

54

votes in play,

18

of which are frozen, leaving

36

votes active.

Deadline is August 31st, noon CEST.

[Mastermind of Sin]

v2v, why would you not just hammer him?

[Nero Cain]

Nero you said:

The reason I was voting Nocmen is 'cause I thought he was in the jury and didn't voice his opinion about Aurg but SB corrected me and told me he wasn't in the jury last night. So I unvoted.

@Defender: Was the jury unanimous, was there discussion in the QT?

There was little discussion, most people just gave statements on why they thought arugula was scum. Only one player said they didnt think he was. Whispersilk.

The jury was:

Me

DCLXVI

Gooner

Whispersilk

Axelrod

Wrathchild

Defender

Those who voted were: Me, Axelrod, wrathchild and DCLXVI

I voted first, then DCLXVI and wrathchild and Axelrod hammered

Nobody voted not guilty though whispersilk raised doubts of his scumminess

gooner never posted at all

based on the jury alone

vote: Whispersilk, Vote: Gooner, Vote: Gooner

Whispersilk for the very late input (he posted when arugula was at l-1) with little or not effort, felt a bit like someone covering their ass.

Gooner for not giving any input at all. I'd like to hear thoughts soon please.

vote:koc
vote:nocmen
vote:SC

Why then did you not vote Whispersilk or Gooner?

Still happy that Nero is scum.

@Vijay, hammer N.

^
confirmed scum.

As far as I know neither Whisper or Gooner ever said anything like Nocmen did about Aurg being town yesterday. When I saw Nocmen say that he thought Arg was town and since I (wrongly) thought he was part of this jury for him to say that Aurg was town and to NOT say anything in the jury is cognitive dissonance, which I consider to be a fairly good scum tell. I've already explained this. You only pretend to be a dumb newbie when you're scum.

TSH
N
Yoshi
Koc
MOS

^
scum team wich makes the horrible SC slot town. *sigh*

[Teleporting Speed Hippos]

When have I ever pretended to be a dumb newbie, in any games, ever?

v2v is scum as well.

Here we go;

Nero Cain
N
Defender
v2v
WrathChild/Axelrod

^
scum team wich [sic] makes the

horrible

SC slot town.

*sigh*

(why is the SC slot horrible, Nero?)

[Mastermind of Sin]

He's calling it horrible because the player is bad and he's too dumb to be able to read bad players. Which kinda calls all the rest of his reads into question as well, doesn't it?

[Nero Cain]

Yep. MOS makes total sense here. In Beck's mini normal (which I played with MOS) I pegged the whole three man scum team. In playground mafia (where PV was the mod and SC was scum) I pegged the G/F and Fake God scum. My scum reads are

never

right.

[Teleporting Speed Hippos]

There was this game where I correctly guessed who was scum, and so I must be right about NC being scum here.

[Nero Cain]

Woosh!

I never said just 'cause I have previously called scum in other games it means I'm necessarily right (though I think I'm defiantly on the right track) The point was that I'm not always wrong and when I flip town ya'll will know my reads are sincere.

Town: When I flip town lynch TSH and MOS ASAP

[Teleporting Speed Hippos]

Why would you need to include a case history if you were going to flip town anyways? Unless you can show me a game where you were town and

insincere

with your reads, that whole thing was scummy as hell.

[Nero Cain]

That doesn't even make sense. Why would I , AS TOWN, GIVE INSINCERE READS?!?

MOS was sayin' I was dumb and my reads should be ignored. I said well I call scum all the time, whats to say I'm not calling scum now? You then misrep me. I'm done arguing with scum. We lynch TSH tomorrow.

[Teleporting Speed Hippos]

That's my fucking point.
If you're going to flip town we'd know your reads were "sincere"
The thought that your reads aren't sincere should never have entered your fucking head if you were really town.

[DoomYoshi]

I understand how me and KoC might be seen to be n the same scum team, or even me and panda. Me and DCL on same team is absurd though.

[DCLXVI]

Me and DCL on same team is absurd though.

and who was advocating this "absurd" idea? Skimmed the thread and didn't see it.

and if you don't think we can be on the same team, why are you not voting me if you are town?

[D3f3nd3r]

Post is really just a prod dodge. I have no votes.

I'm really thinking N is scum, but based on his join date (three weeks ago) he MIGHT (no guarantees) just be VI.

[guille2015]

I am moving this weekend and were in the middle of Hurricane Isaac. So, I have to be short, but I will probably go into more detail on Monday.

I am OK with the N lynch. V2V's vote is odd.

[Nero Cain]

I am moving this weekend and were in the middle of Hurricane Isaac.

Which prevents you from voting how?

[Knight of Cydonia]

Post is really just a prod dodge. I have no votes.

I'm really thinking N is scum, but based on his join date (three weeks ago) he MIGHT (no guarantees) just be VI.

Having no votes left is a) your own fault and b) no reason to contribute as little as you have
The fact that you're playing the VI card for N while deliberately couching it in terms to let you back off does not make me more confident about you at all.