Judge, Jury, and Executioner - Over

[Axelrod]

I've been waiting to see if anyone was going to voluntarily claim Executioner. I'm assuming those who have posted since I asked and not said anything are implicitly denying they were the Executioner. If you wish to speak up and correct this impression, this is your chance.

There are also still several people who basically haven't posted since the start of this game day, which is why I've not said anything more. If people are getting impatient, I can go ahead and say what I know, but it might not be quite as effective without everyone being pinned down on this topic.

I have no problems with a

Vote: StrangeCoug

in the meantime, however.

[DCLXVI]

That is L-1 for SC

[Nocmen]

Fine, I'll drop the double vote.

Unvote: D3f3nder

Now...Quilford's actions from last night in Jury still bother me. A lot.

Vute: Quilford

I highly suspect the wagon on me is scum-driven. Lots and lots of opportunism to go around.

I would like everybody voting me to give a reason for their vote. It's hard to defend in the dark.

I still think lynching WrathChild is the answer the way he went around Knight of Cydonia. I don't see how KoC called any sort of mod error, is confirmed scum, or whatever. Ser Panda is my #2 for leading this crappy wagon of mine.

VOTE: WrathChild
VOTE: WrathChild
VOTE: Ser Panda

No. Panda is town.

If you weren't at L-1 I'd vote you for that.

[Knight of Cydonia]

...why does him being L-1 change that? Surely if it's a good enough reason to vote for Coug at any other point, it's good enough to hammer him?

Still waiting for someone to explain exactly

why

Coug is at L-1 to me.

[DoomYoshi]

@KoC
I am voting SC since he seems convinced that panda is scum. Almost identical to my reasoning for voting wrathchild, except his target is you. I guess I am just voting people for having different reads than me, although WC being stubborn and ridiculous keeps my vote there.

However, I think DCL is the scummiest right now, which would clear WC. Let me mull over his ISO for a day.

UNVOTE: coug

I am just getting really bad vibes from this wagon.

[StrangerCoug]

I highly suspect the wagon on me is scum-driven. Lots and lots of opportunism to go around.

I would like everybody voting me to give a reason for their vote. It's hard to defend in the dark.

I still think lynching WrathChild is the answer the way he went around Knight of Cydonia. I don't see how KoC called any sort of mod error, is confirmed scum, or whatever. Ser Panda is my #2 for leading this crappy wagon of mine.

VOTE: WrathChild
VOTE: WrathChild
VOTE: Ser Panda

No. Panda is town.

If you weren't at L-1 I'd vote you for that.

I fail to see how Ser Panda is town in the slightest. Unless there's some revelation that I've missed, I stand by my opinion and will not back down until I see Ser Panda scumhunt properly.

[Knight of Cydonia]

@KoC
I am voting SC since he seems convinced that panda is scum. Almost identical to my reasoning for voting wrathchild, except his target is you. I guess I am just voting people for having different reads than me, although WC being stubborn and ridiculous keeps my vote there.

However, I think DCL is the scummiest right now, which would clear WC. Let me mull over his ISO for a day.

UNVOTE: coug

I am just getting really bad vibes from this wagon.

Really? Because you haven't given a huge amount of content that suggests this sudden determination that DCL is the scummiest. In fact, looking at your ISO, here's all the times you've mentioned DCL:

vote DCL

For the reasoning on TSH. If your argument is correct, it is possible that you are scum for realizing the correct scum mechanic. I am not sure if it is the correct scum mechanic yet though, as I don't think you are right in your interpretation of the rules. So TSH is not cleared IMO.

DCL, you have one vote on me for a shitty case I made today and another because you like the wagon.
TheShadow is voting me for self-preservation purposes.
MoS is voting me for making a shitty case (a second one).
Not quite sure why SC or Guille are voting for me - Guille in particular is hardcore lurking though.

Speaking of lurkers, where the fuck is quilford? He is the only absent member of the high five club.

Your first mention of him is a vote on him for terrible reasons. Really, really awful. You voted him because you think he might be correct about the scum mechanic... which somehow makes him scum?
Your second mention is even worse, where you accuse him of... voting you for making a shitty case (entirely valid) and because he likes the wagon (well he has a reason so he's allowed to like the wagon, right? NOPE, says DoomYoshi).
This sudden refocus on him when you've not said diddly-squat about him since a really early shit vote on him and a single post yesterday makes no sense, especially when it launches him right up to the front of your scumlist after 2 days spent voting for Thor (a mistake we all made), Nocmen (who you instantly flip-flopped off of after prompting from Axel), a V2V vote that was accompanied by this gem of disingenuity:

VOTE: V2v

All of the votes are on players that are probably town (KoC, Nocmen, axelrod). Axelrod is the most likely to be scum of the 3, however).

Then you voted for Wrathchild having earlier stated that:

I am not voting wrathchild, even though I totally disagree with him.

...in fact, your entire ISO is littered with flip-flops on various major wagons of the day, none of which, oddly enough, were DCL.
So please, elaborate on exactly how these two posts in amongst all your flip-flopping total to "scummiest"... in what? SC's wagon? The game? Some undefined sub-set of players?
Oh, and now that I've actually seen all this shit in your ISO, have a

Vote: DoomYoshi

while we're waiting for the explanation.

[IceGuy]

Vote Count

StrangerCoug (7): Quilford, Quilford, Ser Panda, AurorusVox, guille2015, Sir Bastion, Axelrod

Quilford (6): Mastermind of Sin, Mastermind of Sin, Sir Bastion, Sir Bastion, Knight of Cydonia, Nocmen
D3f3nd3r (4): AurorusVox, vijay2vasandani, Nocmen, Ser Panda
WrathChild (3): DoomYoshi, StrangerCoug, StrangerCoug
Gooner (3): AurorusVox, DCLXVI, DCLXVI
Axelrod (2): vijay2vasandani, vijay2vasandani
Sir Bastion (2): Quilford, D3f3nd3r
Mastermind of Sin (2): Gooner, Gooner
DoomYoshi (2): Gooner, Knight of Cydonia
Nocmen (1): D3f3nd3r
Ser Panda (1): StrangerCoug

15

votes are currently not on a player.

Every player has

3

votes.
With

16

alive, it's

9

to hammer.
There are

48

votes in play,

0

of which are frozen, leaving

48

votes active.

Deadline is September 21st, 11 a.m. CEST.

[Ser Panda]

Why is strangerCoug scum?

Its been 3 days.

Strangercoug is the only person in this game who isn't even trying to catch scum. I've been waiting and waiting for him to atleast try and do something, but strangercoug sits back and calls me scum for trying to rally people to lynch him. A person can get paranoid about a slot but atleast try using your other two votes to truly hunt for scum. but that's a disappointment. I see his three days being = Why is there a wagon on me? give me a case.

you aren't genuinely scumhunting thats why.

Why is Strangercoug town?

Well honestly if you went through his posts and thought he was town, I'd be shocked.

You probably have a scum read or a null read.

[Sir Bastion]

mod: Doomyoshi has 2 votes on him cause KOC voted him just before your post

[IceGuy]

mod: Doomyoshi has 2 votes on him cause KOC voted him just before your post

Fixed.

[guille2015]

I have a gut feeling that DCL is scum. His response to Gooner's test appears to be a way to capitalize on a Town failing to perform his tests correctly. Gooner's test was revealed without prompting (unless I am missing anything) which make me think that there is no scum motivation for doing it like he did. I have to agree that it did fail, though. I don't think there is a correlation behind Doom Yoshi's Vote and the Test.

DCL's (L-1) warning also caught my eye. Particularly a good way for scum to appear town. Doom Yoshi, I find scummy. His vote for the Gooner test was pretty worthless (although not in the way Gooner thought). His unvote has the same feel as DCL's warning.

Vote: DCL
Vote: Doom Yoshi

BTW, any reason why I am seeing players here think that V2V is town? I'm not relating. I am for a Lynch on V2V also. His reaction to KOC was odd. And he has voted Axelrod without much explanation.

[DoomYoshi]

DCL went to scummiest (in the list of all players alive in this game, for those set theory maniacs) after his last attack on Gooner. It is entirely reminiscent of his attack yesterday on N, in which he stirred the pot of the case enough to get N hanged, but then retired to a different wagon, with a pair of clean hands. I can't say for sure whether or not he will stay on the gooner wagon, but the severity of the case does not match the severity of the action (skimming). IF gooner IS lying, then the severity is matched, but I have no reason to believe that. In any case, DCL is picking the weakest fish to fry (theshadow, N, gooner) which is either lazy scumhunting (yes, I realize I fall in this boat) or scum fake scumhunting. As a self-proclaimed lazy scumhunter, I feel confident that this is not what he is doing.

VOTE: DCL

@guille: Your vote on me and on DCL came right after I called DCL the scummiest player in the game. It doesn't make sense to be voting for both of us. Likewise, it doesn't make sense for me to be voting wrath now.

UNVOTE: wrathchild

Speaking of which: what is new wrathchild? Any comments for us today?

[Knight of Cydonia]

So your entire case on DCL is that he's doing the same thing you're doing, but he's doing it in a scummy way. Uh-huh. That is either some truly VI-status worthy play, or some hardcore bussing.
Any particular reason you've removed your vote from Wrath while he's still not actually playing the game?

[IceGuy]

Vote Count

StrangerCoug (7): Quilford, Quilford, Ser Panda, AurorusVox, guille2015, Sir Bastion, Axelrod

Quilford (6): Mastermind of Sin, Mastermind of Sin, Sir Bastion, Sir Bastion, Knight of Cydonia, Nocmen
D3f3nd3r (4): AurorusVox, vijay2vasandani, Nocmen, Ser Panda
Gooner (3): AurorusVox, DCLXVI, DCLXVI
DoomYoshi (3): Gooner, Knight of Cydonia, guille2015
WrathChild (2): StrangerCoug, StrangerCoug
Axelrod (2): vijay2vasandani, vijay2vasandani
Sir Bastion (2): Quilford, D3f3nd3r
Mastermind of Sin (2): Gooner, Gooner
DCLXVI (2): guille2015, DoomYoshi
Nocmen (1): D3f3nd3r
Ser Panda (1): StrangerCoug

13

votes are currently not on a player.

Every player has

3

votes.
With

16

alive, it's

9

to hammer.
There are

48

votes in play,

0

of which are frozen, leaving

48

votes active.

Deadline is September 21st, 11 a.m. CEST.

[guille2015]

@guille: Your vote on me and on DCL came right after I called DCL the scummiest player in the game. It doesn't make sense to be voting for both of us. Likewise, it doesn't make sense for me to be voting wrath now.

Saying he is the scummiest player in the game and not voting for him is what I found suspicious. For all I know you can both be scum.

[DCLXVI]

DCL's (L-1) warning also caught my eye. Particularly a good way for scum to appear town.

I do that a lot (both as town and scum) I'll pull up that meta later.

[DCLXVI]

I can't say for sure whether or not he will stay on the gooner wagon, but the severity of the case does not match the severity of the action (skimming).

The problem isn't the skimming, the problem is that he is calling it a gambit when it was clearly not a planned gambit. Did you even read my case on him?

[DoomYoshi]

I did. We have three possibilities: a)Gooner is an idiot and flubbed his gambit b)Gooner is crafty scum and this is his plan c) Gooner is idiot scum. You are saying c) and I am saying a). There are no relevant facts that can help us decide between one or the other at this point.

Remember we disagreed on both shadow and N. We always agreed that they were idiots, but you thought scum and I thought town. Both times you were wrong.

What proof do you have that it was not a planned gambit? Sure, he has tried to bs his way out of it. But he wasn't under any significant pressure... so this shows nothing more than he is an idiot.

And when I say "skimming" I mean that was his gambit. Pretending to skim (or not pretending).

[Nocmen]

Vote: SC

Back to L-1.

I don't think that DCL's L-1 warning was bad. I probably would have accidentally hammered had I not seen that.

[IceGuy]

Vote Count

StrangerCoug (8): Quilford, Quilford, Ser Panda, AurorusVox, guille2015, Sir Bastion, Axelrod, Nocmen

Quilford (6): Mastermind of Sin, Mastermind of Sin, Sir Bastion, Sir Bastion, Knight of Cydonia, Nocmen
D3f3nd3r (4): AurorusVox, vijay2vasandani, Nocmen, Ser Panda
Gooner (3): AurorusVox, DCLXVI, DCLXVI
DoomYoshi (3): Gooner, Knight of Cydonia, guille2015
WrathChild (2): StrangerCoug, StrangerCoug
Axelrod (2): vijay2vasandani, vijay2vasandani
Sir Bastion (2): Quilford, D3f3nd3r
Mastermind of Sin (2): Gooner, Gooner
DCLXVI (2): guille2015, DoomYoshi
Nocmen (1): D3f3nd3r
Ser Panda (1): StrangerCoug

12

votes are currently not on a player.

Every player has

3

votes.
With

16

alive, it's

9

to hammer.
There are

48

votes in play,

0

of which are frozen, leaving

48

votes active.

Deadline is September 21st, 11 a.m. CEST.

[StrangerCoug]

Why is strangerCoug scum?

Its been 3 days.

Strangercoug is the only person in this game who isn't even trying to catch scum. I've been waiting and waiting for him to atleast try and do something, but strangercoug sits back and calls me scum for trying to rally people to lynch him. A person can get paranoid about a slot but atleast try using your other two votes to truly hunt for scum. but that's a disappointment. I see his three days being = Why is there a wagon on me? give me a case.

This is incorrect. I have not been spending the game sitting back and wondering why there is a wagon on me. It's not really worth my time defending the lazy crap that I've been given, and I have been attacking other people than you, especially during our impasse on Day 2. I consider WrathChild the scummiest person right now based on Day 2 regarding Knight of Cydonia, and I don't remember him attacking me.

[DCLXVI]

There are no relevant facts that can help us decide between one or the other at this point.

So you are saying we can't know which of us is right so I must be scum for disagreeing with you? Lolz.

[DCLXVI]

Remember we disagreed on both shadow and N. We always agreed that they were idiots, but you thought scum and I thought town. Both times you were wrong.

and both times you whiteknighted scummy players who flipped town.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Vote: StrangerCoug