Newbie 1,276 (Game over!)

[StrangerCoug]

VOTE COUNT

CityElectric (1): Cheery Dog
ewo2 (4): nhammen, JohnnyFarrar, CityElectric, Wiibox3
Wiibox3 (4): JasonWazza, Paschendale, HerrRudi, ewo2

With

9

players alive, it takes

5

players to lynch.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2012-09-09 10:13:01).

[JasonWazza]

Cheery please don't let the deadline pass waiting for wiibox to claim.

I get wanting a claim but seriously don't NL because he doesn't claim.

[Cheery Dog]

I know the deadlines coming and will place the hammer in sometime before it, but thanks for reminding me.

[JohnnyFarrar]

[Cheery Dog]

While we wait UNVOTE:
The hammer will be down sometime in the next 8 hours, probably actually in one because I don't think he's going to get on in time.

[Cheery Dog]

yeah I don't think he's going to come, therefore I will just have to trust my reads.

So down it comes.

VOTE: wiibox3.

If he flips scum the other scum is most likely to be on the ewo2 wagon, if he flips town ewo2 is probably scum and the other is also on the wiibox wagon.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Wii, if you're town and happen to get on before our mod, feel free to post final thoughts. If you're scum, give yourself a pat on the back for making me think that you're newbtown.

[JasonWazza]

If he flips scum the other scum is most likely to be on the ewo2 wagon, if he flips town ewo2 is probably scum and the other is also on the wiibox wagon.

my eyes are really on you now, that sounds like you are just wanting to policy lynch ewo now.

This little bit after his vote seems uber scummy to me.

[Cheery Dog]

I was just stating the odds of where the scum are likely to be depending on the flip.

It's highly unlikely to be that both wagons would be on scum since the City wagon had grown above the Wiibox wagon and I doubt the scum would be hard bussing since other this close to deadline knowing that one of them would be lynched.
There is a chance they could both be town, but I think that if that was the case ewo would have already been hammered after his claim.

[JasonWazza]

odds only help mafia in this game (play blind mafia with no talking and all that and mafia are more likely to win), but your last bit of reasoning does make sense, though that's kinda WIFOM more then anything isn't it?

In any case that still looks scummy to me, and i will have my eye on you a bit more.

[StrangerCoug]

VOTE COUNT

ewo2 (4): nhammen, JohnnyFarrar, CityElectric, Wiibox3

Wiibox3 (5): JasonWazza, Paschendale, HerrRudi, ewo2, Cheery Dog

With

9

players alive, it takes

5

players to lynch.

The sun was setting, and it wouldn't be very long before the Mafia would strike again. Wiibox3 was suspected of being part of this Mafia, so you put the noose around his neck and execute him. Screw Italy's abolition of the death penalty; we have an emergency situation on our hands.

A search of Wiibox3's apartment reveals the workings of... your standard everyday office employee. Nothing is out of the ordinary here—it's a lot like yours.

TOO

much like yours. You're now one step downhill.

Wiibox3, who was a

vanilla townie

, has been lynched on Day 1.

Night 1 ends in (expired on 2012-09-12 13:09:57).

[StrangerCoug]

You slept surprisingly well last night. So well, in fact, that you aren't awoken by any commotion caused by a Mafia kill. It kinda helps that there was no Mafia kill to cause commotion in the first place.

Nobody has been killed on Night 1.

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2012-10-03 20:31:48).

[HerrRudi]

Interesting. I see three possibilities:
1-Scum ran out of time [There are two of them so I'm gonna rate this unlikely. Although this may shed some light if we need to replace any players early D2 that weren't active towards the end]
2-Scum is playing unorthodox [Not likely since getting a free kill of choice > choosing not to kill in any situation I can think of. Especially D1. More experienced players, do you have any thoughts on this?]
3-Good guessing by Doctor or Jailkeeper. Easily the most likely of the options by POE. If it was indeed a JK I am conflicted as to whether he/she should claim and state their block. I don't want to lose a PR early but the free scum lynch is almost too lucrative. Thoughts from everyone on this?

Also as a heads up Friday-Sunday I won't be able to post. Maybe I can read up but consider this a mini V/LA coming up.

[JohnnyFarrar]

I don't think doc/jk should claim. Pat yourself on the back, though.

If they both exist then we won't know which one made the successful defend

If only doc exist then we only have a confirmed townie, which barely helps us D2 with 8 alive.

If only JK exist then we don't know if they blocked scum or protected town.

AND that claim will undoubtedly result in their death tonight.

[HerrRudi]

I don't think doc/jk should claim. Pat yourself on the back, though.

1. If they both exist then we won't know which one made the successful defend

2. If only doc exist then we only have a confirmed townie, which barely helps us D2 with 8 alive.

3. If only JK exist then we don't know if they blocked scum or protected town.

AND that claim will undoubtedly result in their death tonight.

I agree with 1 and 2.

3 I disagree with since the fact that no kill goes through assuming just a JK means that we almost certainly got scum. Too bad there is no good way of knowing if we only have a JK w/o a doctor.

[ewo2]

I would have a really hard time believing scum NKd just for wifom purposes. I really don't like Herr's fishing for claims. I'm going to have to reread this game.

[JohnnyFarrar]

JK also protects town. I don't see your point.

[ewo2]

unless the wifom was to allow herr to fish for claims.

[HerrRudi]

JK also protects town. I don't see your point.

Forgot about that fact. Then you're 100% right

[HerrRudi]

@ Ewo I forgot that Jailkeeper also had the doctor traits along with it's roleblocking. I was focused entirely on the roleblocking part (wrongly so). If it was roleblocker, then claim may make sense if we knew there was no doc. Now the claim does not make sense since the jailkeeper cannot differentiate between whether he blocked or protected.

[Paschendale]

However, we don't know the setup, so claims would be a hindrance right now.

[nhammen]

The end of D1 made me think that a Jason/ewo team seems likely, with the way that Jason was attacking Cheery for his comments on ewo. But this supposes ewo scum to begin with. If ewo is town, then this is a null-tell.

I would like to point out that if we have a JK and not a Doc, the JK may not know for certain whether his JK roleblocked scum or protected town, but this hypothetical JK would know whether they targeted a scum suspect who would be unlikely to draw the NK or a pro-town player who would be likely to draw the NK, so they would have a good idea, even if not a certainty.

But, I must point out that discussing power roles like this is a bad idea. The scum can look at this discussion and determine who is speaking as if they have a power role, and who has let slip that they do not have any power. However, I will immediately proceed to disobey what I just stated, and say that a D2 massclaim may be a good idea. If we mislynch today, and scum successfully kill tonight, then we will be in MYLO. A massclaim at the last possible moment is probably a bad idea, so it might be a good idea to have a massclaim at some point before the end of the day. We have plenty of time left in the day, so we don't need to do this now if we decide to do this. In fact, I guess the above advice not to discuss power roles doesn't hold, because we have to at least discuss massclaim at some point. Just be very careful with your wording.

[JasonWazza]

We really need to stop discussing PR's at all, it never ends well for town.

Also Nhammen I think it's usually a bad idea to do so before MYLO, At MYLO it's better to have a mass claim as it limits the possibility of mis-lynches (as we can decide where it is more likely to have scum cause everyone has claimed).

As for me being in a scum team with ewo, how is just that comment against a policy lynch put me to a scum team?

It to me seems like a way for mafia to pull a second mis-lynch straight up on day 2.

[Cheery Dog]

I'm personally considering ewo/pasch team at the moment, ewo for the reasons I stated on the hammer of wii, and pasch because of his newly finished scum game (newbie 1273) which means his so called town slip means nothing.

[JasonWazza]

which slip is that?