Judge, Jury, and Executioner - Over

[Ser Panda]

I was on the jury. We judged SC guilty. How the fuck did he walk away?

VOTE: SC

Burn it with fire.

[IceGuy]

Vote Count

StrangerCoug (1): Ser Panda

41

votes are currently not on a player.

Every player has

3

votes.
With

14

alive, it's

8

to hammer.
There are

42

votes in play,

0

of which are frozen, leaving

42

votes active.

Deadline is October 4th, 11 p.m. CEST.

[Ser Panda]

Jury mates, remember the question I (Arthur) asked in there (the one about maybe trying to create WIFOM by sending SC to us). I think it's pretty obv why now. Does it make sense to anyone else that the mafia might have, for example, 1 shot of each of the following:

Override Exe
Override Jury
Override Judge

It makes sense about both us and KoC who were both overridden.

[guille2015]

That indeed makes sense. One question that I have been having is why Scum did not send KoC as an Executioner twice in a row and keep using the override. It could mean that they just have a limited use of those powers.

Another anomaly is that MoS died, so they have the ability to kill outside of the defenders.

Vote SC
Vote Quilford

[AurorusVox]

Vote: DarthYoshi, StrangerCoug, Gooner

Btw we're doing shit.

[IceGuy]

Vote Count

StrangerCoug (3): Ser Panda, guille2015, AurorusVox

Quilford (1): guille2015
DarthYoshi (1): AurorusVox

37

votes are currently not on a player.

Every player has

3

votes.
With

14

alive, it's

8

to hammer.
There are

42

votes in play,

0

of which are frozen, leaving

42

votes active.

Deadline is October 4th, 11 p.m. CEST.

Vote: DarthYoshi, StrangerCoug, Gooner

Gooner is no longer in the game.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Vote: DoomYoshi
Vote: StrangerCoug

If scum kept Coug alive, that means we want him dead. And I'm still not done with Yoshi.
Do not like this "extra-judicial" killing at all. Maybe scum have 1 or 2 shots of each over-ride, and a limited night-kill of some kind?

[Ser Panda]

Quil is prob town based because I think if he was scum he wouldn't have been sent to the judge. (I'm basing that on the fact that I really don't believe MoS would convicted Defender if he went to him, based on this:)

Why the fuck are we lynching Defender? He's so obviously VI.

Scum prob already knew that, so they chose to send Quil to him for more chance of him killing off Quil.

Then again, MoS was on the Quil lynch, so I don't know why he didn't convict him

Wait a sec, maybe MoS was killed during the night face and never made it to the deliberation face to judge on the person? Which would explain why he couldn't judge Quil? Which could explain why Quil is town, since they didn't

know

they were shooting the judge?

Though I find it weird as hell that the only out of the ordinary Exe/Judge/Jury kill was on the judge. Maybe they have like a 1-shot judge killing power? o.O

:mindfucked:

(This would of course be much easier to figure out if the Exe claims )

[Ser Panda]

StrangerCoug (9): Quilford, Quilford, Ser Panda, AurorusVox, guille2015, Sir Bastion, Axelrod, Nocmen, Mastermind of Sin

Person who bussed strangercoug is Sirbastion.

vote sirbastion

Sir Bastion, There were a lot of things I requested. Are you going to deliver?

[Ser Panda]

I have a theory on the Mos death.

but I'd like quilford to tell us what happened during night.

[guille2015]

Quil is prob town based because I think if he was scum he wouldn't have been sent to the judge. (I'm basing that on the fact that I really don't believe MoS would convicted Defender if he went to him, based on this:)

Why the fuck are we lynching Defender? He's so obviously VI.

Scum prob already knew that, so they chose to send Quil to him for more chance of him killing off Quil.

Then again, MoS was on the Quil lynch, so I don't know why he didn't convict him

Wait a sec, maybe MoS was killed during the night face and never made it to the deliberation face to judge on the person? Which would explain why he couldn't judge Quil? Which could explain why Quil is town, since they didn't

know

they were shooting the judge?

Though I find it weird as hell that the only out of the ordinary Exe/Judge/Jury kill was on the judge. Maybe they have like a 1-shot judge killing power? o.O

:mindfucked:

(This would of course be much easier to figure out if the Exe claims )

Maybe the defendant killed the Judge. But I agree that Defender would likeley be sent to somewhere far from MoS. But if they did not know who MoS is, then your logic fails. And for the record, I am not only voting for Quilford for having survived (Which does add to the case) but mostly for the last posts of the day that had my scum senses tingling.

[WrathChild]

Wow
Could someone be PGO?

[Ser Panda]

But if they did not know who MoS is, then your logic fails.

Oh right, I knew there was a huge faulty thing in my logic.

Wow
Could someone be PGO?

MoS didn't flip as being a PR who can target a PGO and have it reverse on him?

[WrathChild]

I was on the jury. We judged SC guilty. How the fuck did he walk away?

VOTE: SC

Burn it with fire.

Paraphrased transcript please.

[BloodCovenent]

Hey, i was hoping this game would open up a little later in the night, i'll try to get finished catching up later tonight. But until then here are some posts of mine. Walls of text incoming.

It’s been a while since i’ve played, so forgive me if I forget some of the terminology and what not. I’m gonna go through and make 1 post to sum up every 10 pages and give my insight as to who i think is scum either by their own posts, or by my gut reactions to their posts. My comments are not neccesarily needing responses. They are merely just my thoughts as i’m reading up on the game. My thought proccess is everywhere, i’m looking at vote counts, players in ISO, and am reading with some bias because i can see the results of the flipped players.

Pages 1-10

[quote=”Ser Panda”] If the guy playing the judge is a smart guy, Then we don't need to tell him what to do.
If the guy playing the judge is an idiot. Well hes probably going to fuck it up after he claims.

so lets not pester the judge shall we.[/quote]
Doesn’t sit well.

An early judge claim is stupid. So what if we have a confirmed townie, if he’s not the brightest player there’s not way to trust his content. [quote=”Guille2015”]Regardless, if the judge is going to claim, he should do so later in the day. That way, we can take notice at the attacks they have received and better select the defendants.[/quote]
- Those attacks don’t really do anything for us, the judge might just be a shitty player so his attacks/defense would just be null.

[link=”http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p4202396”] In this post by DCL [/link] I certainly disagree with your reasoning of “ Notice the wording of killed, not lynched. Seems to suggest the mafia have a night kill. TSH is probably town for thinking there isn't a nightkill.”
- My first reaction to this game was that there was no NK for scum considering there is the possibility of 3 players being killed each night. Aside from that you’re guessing with the mod to assume he didn’t use the word “killed” intending to hint at NK’s. If he wrote “in the event of the judge being lynched” as a player you would assume there was no factional NK’s. IMO, he used the word “killed” synonymously with dead, dies, or has been deceased, not intentionaly to hint that there was even an option of Night Kills.

Axelrod’s first post strikes me as him trying to look pro-town, restating what others have said before him. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p4202493

StrangerCoug pressures Axelrod on Page 3, and when Axel responds, Coug immediately unvotes, within one minute game time, and doesn’t vote anyone else. He waits another day to post and vote. That doesn’t sit well with me, considering people were still posting relatively fast in real time.
+Scum points for StrangerCoug

I like this post by Axel. I’m leaning town on him. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p4202802



@THS, I don’t think he believed V2V was serious, Both players were just trying to get the game rolling. It was still in the Random voting stage essentially. It’s highly unlikely that v2v was making a gambit. notice how no one really took it seriously. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p4202875


DoomYoshi’s first post of content comes in on page 4, where he votes 3 different people, two of which are essentially random votes. His other vote is solely based off of someone else’s reasoning. He’s piggybacking. + scum points.

Post #83 by DCL reads as heavy town. He calls out Doom’s post as well.

Thor is just a bad player.
-when asked for reads he just shrugs off the question. As town, you want to make it obvious that you are town, as scum, you obviously want the same thing, however he’s not even trying.
-If anything, he feels anti-town.

Arugala is concerned that people are voting him based on the claim, when it was just his reaction the the claim that people are voting him. Seem’s poor. His reaction wasn’t bad.

When looking at THS in Iso, he double voted Arugula based on his reaction in RVS, however he never removes his two votes at all. Without reading anything else but Vote count’s, it’s Scummy as hell that he kept them on that early. And scummy for V2V as well.

Did you just agree with yourself Ser Panda? http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p4204193
-Panda is scummy for jumping on one players mistake and blowing it out of proportion.

Personal attacks by Panda http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p4204224
+scum

StrangCoug is leaning town when he pressures Panda, however it could just be bussing.


Thor feels like he’s playing against his town win con.

The Sir Bastion wagon escalated way to fast, and without any reason. I interpret DCL’s post as pressure (http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p4203447), Panda’s post (http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p4203882) is scummy as hell.



DoomYoshi is scum. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p4204441


Looking at a vote counts.... and then back at this post. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p4204909. Strange Coug is Scum.

Nocmen calls TSH and Panda Obv town, i disagree. And he votes TheShadow, a low tier wagon. And when asked why he thinks Nero is scummy, he dodges the question

+scum points for Nocmen
+Town points for Doom


Why vote Doom? Mastermind of Sin? http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p4205868 He’s putting pressure on someone who is lurking.

Quil seems like really lazy town, or scum that just wants to slide by. (Via page 8)


The Thor wagon is frustrating. It came out of nowhere really, and i believe it was scum driven.
“Thor665 (11): Ser Panda, Ser Panda, Knight of Cydonia, Knight of Cydonia, Quilford, Quilford, DoomYoshi, DoomYoshi, [color=”green”]whispersilk, Arugula, Arugula”[/color]
-6 players were on that wagon.
-Quil Double votes with no content.

-Quit is either scum, or anti-town (i.e. not working to help the town).
-He has only made 41 posts in this entire game, and maybe 5 posts of actual content (when reading in ISO).
- He often Double votes
-Always Double votes a Town player (I have a town read on Axel, and leaning scum on Strange Coug, SC is the exception).

The Shadow is just playing poorly.

Sir Bastion’s Unvote of Shadow was appropriate regardless of alignment. Thor Questioning him.... kinda made me uneasy. Clarifying makes his post a little better.

Panda on page 10 is acting so scummy in his conversation with Nero and DCL.

Panda to Nero -
-”You still look like an idiot”
-” you’re trying and failing pretty hard to beimpressive”
These feel like personal attacks. Nero found scum here.



End of Page 10 Review of players alive at Night 3.
1. StrangerCoug - Scum
2. Teleporting Speed Hippos * AurorusVox - leaning scum
3. Gooner *** BloodCovenent - The shit bitches
5. guille2015 - null
7. Quilford *** - Scum- so Obv scum it hurts
8. DCLXVI - Town
9. vijay2vasandani ** BloodCovenent ←- i did not replace this person. (null)
10. Nocmen - leaning scum
11. WrathChild - null
12. Ser Panda * - Scum, scum, scum
13. Knight of Cydonia - null, no town points given. His D1 votes hurt my eyes
15. DoomYoshi - Leaning scum, the late double vote on thor is bad
16. Mastermind of Sin - null
18. Scott Brosius ** D3f3nd3r * - null (no content given)
19. Axelrod * - Town
21. Sir Bastion - Null - leaning over eager town

*Might i note, i had a Heavy town read on Nero and Panda was attacking him quite heavily.

[BloodCovenent]

Pages 11-20

Why do you wish you had more votes on another already hammered wagon, then the one that you’re on? Thor is right, you’re distancing yourself from the wagon. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p4207221
+scum points.

The only thing Coug has going for him in my eyes, is that he didn’t vote for Thor, and is defending Thor’s attackers. However that could just be himself getting ready for day 2 and saying “I told you so.”

Ser Panda with just more and more personal attacks man. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p4207358
+scum

The executioner is likely to be scum, right? If the scum always choose scum for their executioner, they will always kill a town each night, or not kill their scum partner who was a defendant. Maybe i’m looking at this wrong, but i feel like the executioner is likely to be the same person for every night. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p4207441 If his ability had hit, we would know who to put votes on the next day.

I whole heartedly agree with MoS’s post here. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p4208409



As per page 14, MoS is town.

Knight of Cydonia - Gives a reason to keep Ser Panda alive for a little bit longer, yet still says we shouldn’t let him get to end game.
-Feels like bussing to me.

This http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p4210672 is the post that Panda will use when confronted. “Guys i was wrong i’m sorry.” He’s trying to wash the blood off his hands. He didn’t even have the courtesy to wait until day 2.


It’s been a while, how often do mods provide fake claims? http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p4213974
-Odd post by THS.


If this post had more content and back up reasonings for the votes, i’d be inclined to say that Noc is town. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p4216279


Page 20 Wrap up.

1. StrangerCoug - Leaning Scum still
2. Teleporting Speed Hippos * AurorusVox - leaning scum
3. Gooner *** BloodCovenent - The shit bitches
5. guille2015 - null
7. Quilford *** - Scum- so Obv scum it hurts
8. DCLXVI - Town
9. vijay2vasandani ** BloodCovenent ←- i did not replace this person. (null - no content still)
10. Nocmen - leaning scum
11. WrathChild - null
12. Ser Panda * - Scum, scum, scum
13. Knight of Cydonia - Learning more towards town
15. DoomYoshi - Poor defense of MoS’s case against him.
16. Mastermind of Sin - TOWN TOWN TOWN TOWN
18. Scott Brosius ** D3f3nd3r * - null (no real content given)
19. Axelrod * - Town. still.... yep.... still town
21. Sir Bastion - Null - slight nod toward town.

[BloodCovenent]

Pages 21-30

Personal attacks from Ser Panda to SC now.... odd for scum-mates to do to each other. (page 21)

Why on earth would Scum-Shadow double vote himself if he’s even near L-2? That makes NO sense whatsoever. He should be read as Obv-Village Idiot.

Hahahhaha best post of the game so far! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p4223480


Wrath is Town because of these two posts. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p4224031 And http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p4224097.
Why? Because he believes Shadow’s claim. I have a feeling that Scum don’t want the town to believe this claim. Just my gut feeling.

Knight is Town. as per page 24


v2v is scummy. Anytime someone does an ISO on another player there is sooo much room for misinterpretation, and you will ALWAYS find something scummy in an ISO. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p4226079


Not only does Doom admit poor playstyle as scum, he also defends himself very poorly on the votes against him. Doom is scum still. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p4226442


dafuq? http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p4230754
+scum points No contribution, throwing his shit around with no backing. If v2v is scum, Quil is as well. Vice Versa.


As per page 28, KoC is getting more Town points.

THS, in this post http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p4232711, you say that shadow is prob town based on Axel Counter claiming. Well... he didn’t really Counter claim, he said he thinks both roles could exist together. That whole post feels fishy as hell to me.
-”WHILST not directly CC’ing so that he gets autolynched when Shadow flips town” - doesn’t sit well with me.
-”Shadow is prob town” ( so vote Axel )
-”...leave them both alive for tonight...”
- this post just doesn’t sit well with me at all.
-++Scum points for THS




END OF DAY 1 RECAP (pages 21-31)

1. StrangerCoug - Leaning Scum still
2. Teleporting Speed Hippos * AurorusVox - leaning scum
3. Gooner *** BloodCovenent - The shit bitches
5. guille2015 - null - leaning scum
7. Quilford *** - Scum- so Obv scum it hurts
8. DCLXVI - Still Town
9. vijay2vasandani ** BloodCovenent ←- i did not replace this person. Leaning scum
10. Nocmen - Heavily leaning scum.
11. WrathChild - null
12. Ser Panda * - Scum, scum, scum
13. Knight of Cydonia - Learning more towards town
15. DoomYoshi - Scum.
16. Mastermind of Sin - TOWN TOWN TOWN TOWN
18. Scott Brosius ** D3f3nd3r * - null - Catch up posts only =/=
19. Axelrod * - His claim timing was fishy, still have a town read though
21. Sir Bastion - Null - slight nod toward town.

[WrathChild]

But if they did not know who MoS is, then your logic fails.

Oh right, I knew there was a huge faulty thing in my logic.

Wow
Could someone be PGO?

MoS didn't flip as being a PR who can target a PGO and have it reverse on him?

I was implying a mechanic specific type of PGO, like "if you are judged by the executioner or judge you kill them."

[BloodCovenent]

Pages 31-40

This post http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p4249026 (of guilles) is scummy as hell. Asks for the executioner to claim, and then says if he doesn’t claim he is probably scum. The executioner (in my eyes) Night 1 is a 100% chance scum unless (i’m guess the mod now) the scum are not allowed to choose each other to be the executioner.

Holy shit.... KoC claimed Executioner. fucking fuck fuck fuck. First off, i don’t like it that he claimed. He could easily be scum and be like “shit guys, you have to believe me, i pardoned him. no really, i did.”
-so much WIFOM

Noc, you say that now. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p4249129, after he flipped town.

Wrath is town as per this post: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p4249334
-”Knight probably knew he was at risk of being nailed as the executioner”
-How would he be at risk of being nailed? The Executioner is chosen each night? amirite?
-Wrath is town.


If KoC is scum then so is SC. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p4250185
-I already have a scum read on SC.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p4251172
-TSH assumes the Judge will save Nocmen again.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p4251185
-If there was some sort of role block, why on earth would the Mafia have it, and use it on who they chose to be the executioner? That makes NO sense at all.

Did it cross anyone’s mind that Knight was executioner and lied about pardoning Thor?
-StrangerCoug Defending Knight to an extent in Post 815. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p4251328

Sir Bastion is prob-town.http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p4251465

Axel getting more town points. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p4251960
-He see’s the same type of gambit that i too saw.
-I don’t care for his vote on MoS though.

Wishy-washy scum is bad. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p4252413
+scum points for Doom

Vijay, what does that vote even mean? you’re point against Axel is that he thinks KoC is using WIFOM, which is a Null-tell for Axel. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p4252872
+scum points for Vijay2V

Quil still trying to get a Town PR lynched. Solid work scum.http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p4252934

Best post from Vijay so far.http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p4255199.
-still leaning scum.


Although i like the Vijay wagon, it escalated quite rapidly.
-Beginning of day 2 Noc votes 3 people, one of which is Vijay, he takes his vote off of Vijay to vote a newly formed wagon on Defender
-he see’s more votes start to pile up on Vijay, so he votes Vijay again.
-Noc’s only read on Vijay is “lurking to the max” and “lurker scum”
(i expect Noc to back off of this wagon when either pressured, or a new wagon forms)

Knight, i do believe you are scum based on the Gambit. You are scum that was given the role of Executioner for that night and when it was asked for the Exec to come forward, you came up without hesitation. -That just doesn’t sit well with me.

I think it was just the timing of things that led to him not hammering. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p4258239. Not that he wasn’t willing to actually hammer someone. Some other dude just beat him to it. twice.

So that’s it.... just one scumread? Everone needs to vote for Whispersilk because he’s lurking? not exactly the best detective work there champ. Also, sick meta wifom.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p4260822
More scum points for Panda

[BloodCovenent]

And that's all i have right about now. I'm in the middle of page 35 or so. I'll get the rest up later and vote then too.

[GreyICE]

What the fuck is this shit?

Can someone give me a rundown of who survived being lynched?

Also can I mail the scum a fucking medal?

[Ser Panda]

Av change your mind about the gooner slot yet?

[Knight of Cydonia]

Knight, i do believe you are scum based on the Gambit. You are scum that was given the role of Executioner for that night and when it was asked for the Exec to come forward, you came up without hesitation. -That just doesn’t sit well with me.

2 questions.
Why does an instant Executioner claim not sit well with you?
And what makes you think that a highly risky gambit that clashes with your earlier read of me up to... around page 28, from what I'm looking at, is more likely to be the explanation than what I've stated several times in thread?

[Ser Panda]

So that’s it.... just one scumread? Everone needs to vote for Whispersilk because he’s lurking? not exactly the best detective work there champ. Also, sick meta wifom.

Its called townhunting.

[DCLXVI]

vote:SC

Unless a townsperson wants to claim they saved SC he need to die now.