Judge, Jury, and Executioner - Over

[Ser Panda]

also a quick skim of sirbastion and strangercoug using find shows minimal interaction between the two.

[Ser Panda]

Paraphrased transcript please.

It was me (Arthur+Panda), DCL, GreyICE, BloodCovenent, and guille.

SC's statement was mostly AtE and trying to play with words. And he just basically kept repeating: Contrary to [Player X's] accusation, I am not [insert denying accusation], Contrary to [Player Y's] accusation, I am not [insert denying accusation].

First Panda came, he voted guilty.

Blood came, said he was only around pg 35 on his catch up, but he already has a strong scumread on SC. He also wanted to know what were the accusations against SC.

Panda explained his scumread on SC.

GreyICE came in, he was confused about the mechanics.

I come in, basically say the same thing I said above about SC's defense, and how he just tries to cover up accusations with "Look! But look! See what I did over there!".

Some people explain Grey the mechanics.

Guille basically sheeps a SC guilty vote.

Blood said he doesn't particularly agree with our (Ser Panda's) reasoning for suspecting SC, but still has a scumread on him.

I ask DCL if he has any opinion on SC one way or another.

GreyIce votes guilty. SC is hammered.

Then Grey said he doesn't believe SC is really scum.

DCL comes, says he has no strong opinion one way or another, votes SC (post-hammering, but I don't think people realized he was hammered, or thought we need a unanimous decision?)

Blood votes SC.

Grey thought there was a scum kill when just skimming. So prob town for that.

[BloodCovenent]

Knight, i do believe you are scum based on the Gambit. You are scum that was given the role of Executioner for that night and when it was asked for the Exec to come forward, you came up without hesitation. -That just doesn’t sit well with me.

2 questions.
Why does an instant Executioner claim not sit well with you?
And what makes you think that a highly risky gambit that clashes with your earlier read of me up to... around page 28, from what I'm looking at, is more likely to be the explanation than what I've stated several times in thread?

1. because i feel like it makes no sense whatsoever for scum to choose someone other than a scum player to be the executioner.
2. It's mostly a gut call. (which is what almost all of my write up so far has been based on, gut reactions, vote analysis, etc.)

So that’s it.... just one scumread? Everone needs to vote for Whispersilk because he’s lurking? not exactly the best detective work there champ. Also, sick meta wifom.

Its called townhunting.

From what i hear, it's pretty easy to do as scum.

[WrathChild]

Thinking out loud time.

We had Quillford, SC and Defender sent to the defendants table.

SC was Judged guilty by the Jury

SC and Quillford, both walk out free men

This means Defender either went to the executioner or the Judge. If he went to the judge he probably would have been pardoned. So unless there was another switcharoo type of schenanigan like night 1, it probably means that Quill went to the executioner and lived.

Defender is dead, VT

MoS is dead, Judge

Night 1 KoC claims to have executionered thor innocent but Thor dies anyways and nocmen walks. MoS had obviously been gunning for Nocmen, leaving two votes on him at the end of Day 1. So night 1 SHOULD have looked like this:

Executioner (KoC): Pardon Thor
Jury: Guilty Arugula
Judge (MoS): Guilty Nocmen

Instead it looked like this:
Executioner (KoC): Guilty Thor
Jury: Guilty Arugula
Judge (MoS): Pardon Nocmen

More evidence for the bait and switch.

However, here's the big kicker... we know that MoS would have killed either SC or Quillford, but NOT Defender, however defender is dead town. We KNOW that SC was in the jury defendant seat, meaning that Quillford was probably sent to MoS, who is now dead judge.

I suggest the following:

Vote: Quillford, Vote: StrangerCoug, Vote: Nocmen

[Ser Panda]

^everything you said is fair except if there was switch like that on day 1, Mos would have come out and gotten nocmen lynched.

[Ser Panda]

Wrathchild Whats your read on sir bastion?

[WrathChild]

^everything you said is fair except if there was switch like that on day 1, Mos would have come out and gotten nocmen lynched.

I don't know, he was pretty adamant about no PR claiming. He had two votes on the guy going into it. Have you read his arguments with other players? I doubt a defense statement would have saved Nocmen.

[WrathChild]

Wrathchild Whats your read on sir bastion?

I'm gonna have to get back to you on that one. He's kind of been flying under my radar. I'll give him a good read-through tomorrow (RL).

[Ser Panda]

^everything you said is fair except if there was switch like that on day 1, Mos would have come out and gotten nocmen lynched.

I don't know, he was pretty adamant about no PR claiming. He had two votes on the guy going into it. Have you read his arguments with other players? I doubt a defense statement would have saved Nocmen.

so Mos votes guilty on nocmen.

nocmen is still alive the next day.

and assuming your theory that Mos doesn't want to Pr claim, still doesn't lead a lynch against nocmen?

[Knight of Cydonia]

^everything you said is fair except if there was switch like that on day 1, Mos would have come out and gotten nocmen lynched.

I... doubt that. MoS was pretty vocal about not claiming roles towards the end of the game there, and I feel that would be an attitude he'd carry on to himself. He would have probably seen it as a scum ploy to get him into the open so they could start playing mindgames.

P-edit: what Wrathchild said, basically.

[Ser Panda]

Wrathchild Whats your read on sir bastion?

I'm gonna have to get back to you on that one. He's kind of been flying under my radar. I'll give him a good read-through tomorrow (RL).

Unacceptable.

Because you see I just found something frightening.

I used find again to look at interactions between you Strangercoug and sir bastion.

its another pile of ignore reads on each other.

And there's this shady feeling I get when I look at Strangercoug's double votes on you.

[Ser Panda]

If I'm reading too much into that, help me out with reads Wrathchild.

[Ser Panda]

^everything you said is fair except if there was switch like that on day 1, Mos would have come out and gotten nocmen lynched.

I... doubt that. MoS was pretty vocal about not claiming roles towards the end of the game there, and I feel that would be an attitude he'd carry on to himself. He would have probably seen it as a scum ploy to get him into the open so they could start playing mindgames.

P-edit: what Wrathchild said, basically.

So during day 1 Mos wanted Nocmen lynched. and Koc didn't want thor lynched.

Koc pardons thor at night.

Mos kills nocmen at night.

during the day Mos notices the switch and proceeds to not get nocmen lynched? lets assume your Mos has a stick up his ass about not PR claiming. he doesn't even try to get nocmen lynched without having to claim?

It doesn't compute at all.

[StrangerCoug]

VOTE: Quilford
VOTE: Quilford
I still don't like his push on me.

VOTE: DoomYoshi
I still don't like his survivalism.

Not a fan of everybody going "OMG! StrangerCoug was supposed to die! He didn't, so he must be scum!" It's the Knight of Cydonia scenario all over again.

StrangerCoug pressures Axelrod on Page 3, and when Axel responds, Coug immediately unvotes, within one minute game time, and doesn’t vote anyone else. He waits another day to post and vote. That doesn’t sit well with me, considering people were still posting relatively fast in real time.
+Scum points for StrangerCoug

Just because everybody else is posting fast doesn't mean I will. I have a life.

SC's statement was mostly AtE and trying to play with words.

No, I was trying to make it clear that it is my actions here and nothing else that matters. Basing my scumminess on anything else is inherently flawed.

And he just basically kept repeating: Contrary to [Player X's] accusation, I am not [insert denying accusation], Contrary to [Player Y's] accusation, I am not [insert denying accusation].

It's called a defense statement for a reason. I am not going to die quietly.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Except I was the guy who had the switcharoo done to him.
You're the guy who conveniently benefits from the switcharoo after a wagon with a wide base of support went after you.
The two are very different, and the fact that you're suggesting otherwise makes me even more certain you're scum.

[StrangerCoug]

Yes, the two are very different, but my point is that this town needs to think before it acts, which I haven't seen happening much.

[BloodCovenent]

alright, i'm just gonna skim through the rest of the game, i have pretty notable reads on players. I'll post more data if necessary/relevant.

[DoomYoshi]

Still digesting BC's walls. I just want to point out that I am in no way related to Darth.

[GreyICE]

Vote: Quilford

Vote: StrangerCoug

Vote: guille2015

Please ISO Guille folks, Guille needs to die.

[GreyICE]

Also I thought we needed a unanimous decision on Jury, because... that's how Juries work. My bad.

StrangerCoug I decided needed to die because day 1 early on he was like "Oh Judge claiming good idea." Day 3 he was like "Oh shit dude you want judge to claim, so scummy, lawl."

Knowing scum had a way to kill judge, it reeks of overcomplaining. Also it's just cognitive dissonance to the max.

[Nocmen]

VLA until Sunday, had to go on a last minute trip across country.

[GreyICE]

nope.

I think there's very little reason to bring this up unless you have a scum read on the Nocmen slot. Which you did right? When then get upset when I asked you why you were not voting nocmen?

I

had

a scum read on the Nocmen slot
The actions of the people who very quickly re-wagoned him without, for instance, considering the fact that the Judge must have had a damn good reason not to find him guilty changed that rapidly

I agree with this. However, I'd caution us against starting to make too many assumptions about what happened there. It could just be that the judge is someone who wasn't on the Nocmen wagon. I agree that he's not the play at all today, but we shouldn't let him slide just because the Judge pardoned him (unless we get more information from either of them on why it happened, of course, which isn't really necessary right now).

If you can't figure out that MoS pardoned Nocmen then I don't really know what to say to you. Seriously.


Fuuuuuccckkkk now I need to figure out how to fit Wraithchild in there with Quilford and Guille and SC.

[IceGuy]

Vote Count

StrangerCoug (7): Ser Panda, guille2015, AurorusVox, Knight of Cydonia, DCLXVI, WrathChild, GreyICE

Quilford (5): guille2015, WrathChild, StrangerCoug, StrangerCoug, GreyICE
DoomYoshi (3): AurorusVox, Knight of Cydonia, StrangerCoug
Sir Bastion (1): Ser Panda
Nocmen (1): WrathChild
guille2015 (1): GreyICE

24

votes are currently not on a player.

Every player has

3

votes.
With

14

alive, it's

8

to hammer.
There are

42

votes in play,

0

of which are frozen, leaving

42

votes active.

Deadline is October 4th, 11 p.m. CEST.

[AurorusVox]

Unvote: StrangerCoug

Vote: Quilford

Vote: BloodC-

Unvote: DoomYoshi

Vote: Nocmen

Now it's time.
NOW it's time.

[GreyICE]

Unvote: StrangerCoug

Vote: Quilford

Vote: BloodC-

Unvote: DoomYoshi

Vote: Nocmen

Now it's time.
NOW it's time.

Okay scum AV, cool beans.

SC needs to die. Bus