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Post Post #1675 (ISO) » Fri Sep 14, 2012 12:48 pm

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Sorry for missing *all of today* so far, I accidentally un-subscribed to the thread after I checked in to see the night results and I rely on those emails to keep me from forgetting about threads.


Ser Panda wrote:Sir Bastion, There were a lot of things I requested. Are you going to deliver?


Ahh yes you wanted my reads, sure

KOC is town based on the events of last night it seems. It takes me back to my thoughts on day 2 which is that KOC was chosen to be exec because scum might have been worried that one of the two claimed trackers was at risk at checking them night 1 so I'm gonna go back and look over that when I get a chance. Prior to last night he was still mostly town with me, the only way he could be scum is if he was with wrathchild and it was an intended bus for distancing and also making yesterday incredibly repetitive. But I think theshadow flip clears that train of thought.

Strangecoug: for much the same reason is obvious scum based on the events of last night. Prior to last night he didnt jump to the top of my scum lists, I understood the case on him enough to put a vote down but I really was there for pressure and honestly stranger's air of *meh* during yesterday rubbed a small personal gut feel of mine (scum find it easier to play the unconcerned focus of a wagon imo.) not to mention he probably knew well in advance that his buddies were going to bail him out, which raises too many questions.

Quilford: Has been rubbing me wrong the whole game mostly because it constantly feels like he is testing the water to see if he can get a wagon on me, cause he makes a point places a vote and then drops it without follow up when it clearly isnt sticking, I'm annoyed that he went to lynch without getting a chance to defend himself against my questions yesterday. But he had been given ample time to defend himself and hasnt but instead pretty much dug himself deeper, also his attempt to get a judge claim after being hammered looks incredibly dodgy and makes me think that perhaps he got lucky with a guess for the scum power role? (seeing as the judge couldnt be on the jury you can narrow it down)

Ser Panda: Occums razor makes me think town, you've stuck to your guns on not being complicated which makes sense as town, you had a big f*ck up day 1 with your part in the thor debacle, but you've been consistent day 2 & 3 simple pure and dogged. Though you've had a terrible start today, you are trying to draw connections by how little people cross but you are already running into the problem with doing that in a large game. You say I could be linked to strangercoug because we never really crossed (except when he voted me day 1 of course) but then you use the same logic for wrathchild and strangercoug. But me and wrathchild have butted heads so if you are tying all 3 of us together whats the reason we have both avoided strangercoug but not wrathchild and myself? That's faulty logic there. I'd say you are town probably, but it's the faulty logic

DCLXVI: plays like ser panda without the ego or drama, straight simple and dogged so clearly town

Aurorusvox: I like you better now that it's just you and not the hydra, you are much more consistent and much like DCLXVI is one of my more sure town reads

Nocmen: Mostly null, clearly MOS trusted him (and MOS was my third clear town read of the game) and I will continue to trust his judgement. But wrathchild's most recent post is an interesting theory. But a theory at best.

Wrathchild: null, though his stubborness leans me town. His new theory is a fine line between clever scum ploy to lynch a townie cleared by the judge or genius working out how scum are rigging the system. I'll need to watch things to see where the penny drops.

Gooner/Bloodcovenent: Oh this one is so close to scummy, constantly playing a ignorance card and claiming it as a reaction test or some garbage, only the fact that bloodcovenent is going through the whole game pulls me back. I'll like to see bloodcovenents full thoughts before I act on this slot.

Doomyoshi: Maybe it's the similar post number and post sizes etc, but doomyoshi hits a straight null with me because his posting/thought process is so close to mine, I wouldnt say there is anything that screams town to me, but he seems to be asorbing everything the same way as me. My only issue with him is some of his wagon choices seem very questionable (thor day 1 and nocmen day 2)

Axelrod: Null slight scum lean, this is one of those crafty players where you think he could be scum because of how well he seems to be able to read the events of the game and digest them, really hints at being in the know more then your average player. I originally thought it was because of his power role, but it coming out as a dud makes me question it and the slot.

Vijayassassin/Greyice: blah mostly, Grey ice is stirring things up which is nice, vijay I've played with a few times so I know he can be a low poster even as town so I'm gonna say null.

My only problem with Grey Ice is his position on Guile

Cause Guile is probably as of today my strongest town read just for consistent playing (Aurorusvox and DCLXVI being my other 2)


So from towniest to scummiest:

Guile
DCLXVI
Ausorusvox
KOC
Nocmen
Ser Panda
wrathchild
Vijayassassin/Greyice
Doomyoshi
Axelrod
Gooner/Bloodcovenent
Quilford
Strangecoug


Will post my votes in a later post tonight (or tomorrow morning) after I think a bit more about where best to put them to use.
Scum:
nk bastion cos he is never being lynched imo.


I don't honestly think Sir Bastion is a PR, he's too outspoken for it. But he's also a pain in the ass.
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Post Post #1676 (ISO) » Fri Sep 14, 2012 1:05 pm

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How can Guille be a town read? HOW?!?


guille2015 wrote:I wanted to place bastion at L-2. My vote on KoC is of little use at the moment. If I am satisfied with Bastion's post i will remove my vote on him.


guille2015 wrote:
WrathChild wrote:The point is that scum should know that we will kill Arugula no matter which branch of the system he goes to. If they don't want him dead, they need to send him to the executioner and forfeit the killing of a more pro-town defendant, i.e. Thor.

This is the kind of discussion we will be making tomorrow. I suggest we discuss this after tomorrow or else mafia might predict the Judges and Executioner's action. I have a couple of ideas to this that I will be happy to discuss tomorrow.

Now I will ISO a few people and see if I can put my votes to better use. Thanks Thor.


Then we have the fracking useless ISOs:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p4226583
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p4228688

This is scum fluffing about. Every single one of his stances is useless. He takes great pains not to offend people. He does nothing, and tosses up walls of text of him doing nothing.

HE IS NOT TOWN

I WOULD STAKE QUITE A BIT ON THAT.
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Post Post #1677 (ISO) » Fri Sep 14, 2012 1:39 pm

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All of that is of considerably more use than anything your slot has posted. And the fact that the only 2 posts you've quoted are from nearly 50 pages ago, with no actual comment other than "oh it's useless"... yeah, no, I like this third vote where it is.
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Post Post #1678 (ISO) » Fri Sep 14, 2012 3:16 pm

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*Knights of Cydonia revs his chainsaw*
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Post Post #1679 (ISO) » Fri Sep 14, 2012 3:51 pm

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Some thoughts on last night.

What we know for sure:

1. The defendents were SC, Quil, and defender.
2. We had a scum exec (if there was a town exec chosen they should have claimed by now)
3. SC was sent the to jury, the jury voted guilty.
4. SC did not die last night so the scum (as no town claimed the action) saved SC.
5. MoS was "extra-judicially" killed last night and was the judge.
6. Defender was killed last night.
7.Quilford lived.

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MoS breadcrumbed some information that will help us get some more info out of all of this.
Mastermind of Sin wrote:Quilford's posts on page 63 makes him very obviously scum at this point. Anyone who acquits him is a fucking idiot.

Mastermind of Sin wrote:Why the fuck are we lynching Defender? He's so obviously VI.


Scenario 1:

Defender goes to MoS: MoS executes Defender, while he called him a vi he probably wanted him out of the game.
Quilford goes to scum exec: Scum exec saves buddy

Scenario 2.

Quilford goes to MoS: Despite calling for Quils death MoS does nothing.
Defender goes to scum: Scum get easy town kill.

Scenario 3.
Quilford goes to MoS: MoS votes guilty, but either Quilford has an ability that kills MoS and/or scum save Quilford in the same way.
Defender goes to scum: scum kill him

Its very obvious that the first scenario makes the most sense.

The second scenario doesn't work at all.

The third scenario is less likely but possible.

How the night worked out very clearly points to quilford being scum with SC.

vote: Quilford
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Post Post #1680 (ISO) » Fri Sep 14, 2012 3:55 pm

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GreyICE wrote:*Knights of Cydonia revs his chainsaw*

Calling someone out on a terrible attack is not a chainsaw. I suggest you learn what terms mean before you use them, you idiot.
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Post Post #1681 (ISO) » Fri Sep 14, 2012 4:08 pm

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I mean defending people by attacking the people attacking him. Your entire defense is "well Guille could be scummy, I'm not gonna say, but your slot is even scummier!"

Guess what, KoC? I got to pick which slot I replaced into when I replaced in. I replaced into the one I was certain was town. Surprise, surprise, V2V was town! If you can't read his ISO and go "Town!" You're either terrible or scum.
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Post Post #1682 (ISO) » Fri Sep 14, 2012 4:12 pm

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GreyICE wrote:I mean defending people by attacking the people attacking him. Your entire defense is "well Guille could be scummy, I'm not gonna say, but your slot is even scummier!"

Guess what, KoC? I got to pick which slot I replaced into when I replaced in. I replaced into the one I was certain was town. Surprise, surprise, V2V was town! If you can't read his ISO and go "Town!" You're either terrible or scum.


"I had a town read on myself before replacing in" as a defence is a new low even for you. :lol:
I'm damn sure I'm a better Mafia player than you, and I'm damn sure I'm town to boot.
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Post Post #1683 (ISO) » Fri Sep 14, 2012 4:20 pm

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Well one of those two statements is definitely wrong. I'll accept you might be town.

As for me defending myself, no thank you. I don't need to defend myself from the attack "I had a mild scum read on your slot all game because his play was decidedly mediocre. How do you justify the behavior of the flaker you replaced?"

He's a flaker. I don't defend it. He flaked from a game I'm moderating too. I really don't like it when people do that, that's one of the reasons I agreed to cross-replace for IceGuy. And do you really think I'd pick a scum slot?
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Post Post #1684 (ISO) » Fri Sep 14, 2012 4:24 pm

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Well, from what I know of you, you're a narcissistic arsehole. So... yes.
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Post Post #1685 (ISO) » Fri Sep 14, 2012 4:30 pm

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If I were an asshole, I'd say something like "well you clearly know very little..." :D

Also I hate being scum. Seriously.
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Post Post #1686 (ISO) » Fri Sep 14, 2012 4:33 pm

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I really feel GreyICE has started on the wrong foot. I can understand a player having an alignment preference, but the argument with Knight of Cydonia isn't all that productive. It doesn't tip the scales enough for me to seriously consider GreyICE-scum, though.
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Post Post #1687 (ISO) » Fri Sep 14, 2012 4:40 pm

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Plus the fact I'm not in your quicktopic really tilts the scales in my favor.

I mean seriously, you walked away from being voted guilty and not a single townie has spoken up to say "oh hey, it was me! I did that!"
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Post Post #1688 (ISO) » Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:19 pm

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Teleporting Speed Hippos wrote:

TheShadow wrote:*Begin Frustrated Townie Moment*
UNVOTE: Nero Cain
UNVOTE: Nero Cain

VOTE: TheShadow
VOTE: TheShadow
*End Frustrated Townie Moment*

This is the fucking douchest move ever, not only because it's a town PR self hammering rather than REPLACING OUT, but also because Nero was at L-1 until here. Thanks a fucking lot.

Whoever gets Shadow tonight
, bury him even though he's town
. I don't want this anywhere near a LYLO.


Aside from him playing like a VI, and his claim, Is that still a scumslip?


Heavy attack from WC on Mastermind of Sin, now flipped town player.
-noted.


D3f3nd3r wrote:Going to give a summary of the jury, which my "luck" put me on it again:

We were Axel, Nocmen, AVox, Quilford, Stranger, Bastion, and me. We judged N.




Holy shit. I’ve found scum.
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Post Post #1689 (ISO) » Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:56 pm

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waiting on a PM from the mod. then i'll reveal the scum.


HUGE omgus from Quil to Defenders Post.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p4314223
++scum points for quil


Very pro-town post by WC http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p4331947
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Post Post #1690 (ISO) » Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:18 pm

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Vote Count


Nocmen (3): WrathChild, StrangerCoug, AurorusVox

DoomYoshi (2): Knight of Cydonia, StrangerCoug
GreyICE (2): Axelrod, Knight of Cydonia
Sir Bastion (1): Ser Panda
guille2015 (1): GreyICE
BloodCovenent (1): AurorusVox

19
votes are currently not on a player.

StrangerCoug (8): Ser Panda, guille2015, Knight of Cydonia, DCLXVI, WrathChild, GreyICE, Quilford, Quilford
Quilford (8): guille2015, WrathChild, StrangerCoug, StrangerCoug, GreyICE, AurorusVox, GreyICE, DCLXVI


Every player has
3
votes.
With
14
alive, it's
8
to hammer.
There are
42
votes in play,
8
of which are frozen, leaving
34
votes active.

Deadline is October 4th, 11 p.m. CEST.

Quilford has been hammered.
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Post Post #1691 (ISO) » Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:20 pm

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I stopped reading at page 58.
I'm coming out of no where with a claim because i believe that i have found scum.

My role is the town Priest. My ability is essentially a tracker, it's called Take Confession. I request information on a player and am told if they have taken part in killing anyone throughout all nights. I am not told specific nights though.

My Targets:
N1: The Shadow - Nothing
N2: Mastermind of Sin - Nothing (meaning he pardoned Noc N1, i believe,)
N3: Ser Panda - There was blood on his hands

My ability includes killing someone if they were on the jury duty. Ser Panda was not on jury duty Nights 1 or 2. He was in Jury Duty N3, and he did vote guilty on StrangerCoug, however SC did not die. I interpret my result as Ser Panda's blood is from something other than Night 3 Jury duty.


Vote: Ser Panda
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Post Post #1692 (ISO) » Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:26 pm

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EBWOP:

My ability includes
a kill
ing
result if
someone if they were on the jury duty. Ser Panda was not on jury duty Nights 1 or 2. He was in Jury Duty N3, and he did vote guilty on StrangerCoug, however SC did not die. I interpret my result as Ser Panda's blood is from something other than Night 3 Jury duty.
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Post Post #1693 (ISO) » Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:32 pm

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BloodCovenent wrote:HUGE omgus from Quil to Defenders Post.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p4314223
++scum points for quil

I don't think you know what OMGUS is.
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Post Post #1694 (ISO) » Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:34 pm

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Also your claim while town is wrong, Ser Panda is not scum. You have interpreted it wrongly.
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Post Post #1695 (ISO) » Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:36 pm

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Quilford wrote:Also your claim while town is wrong, Ser Panda is not scum. You have interpreted it wrongly.

Tell me how it's wrong? He was not on Jury duty nights 1 or 2. Night 3 he voted SC. SC did not die. Therefore Ser Panda killed someone at night.
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Post Post #1696 (ISO) » Sat Sep 15, 2012 12:50 am

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Vote Count


Nocmen (3): WrathChild, StrangerCoug, AurorusVox
DoomYoshi (3): Knight of Cydonia, StrangerCoug, BloodCovenent

GreyICE (2): Axelrod, Knight of Cydonia
Ser Panda (2): BloodCovenent, BloodCovenent
Sir Bastion (1): Ser Panda
guille2015 (1): GreyICE
BloodCovenent (1): AurorusVox

16
votes are currently not on a player.

StrangerCoug (8): Ser Panda, guille2015, Knight of Cydonia, DCLXVI, WrathChild, GreyICE, Quilford, Quilford
Quilford (8): guille2015, WrathChild, StrangerCoug, StrangerCoug, GreyICE, AurorusVox, GreyICE, DCLXVI


Every player has
3
votes.
With
14
alive, it's
8
to hammer.
There are
42
votes in play,
8
of which are frozen, leaving
34
votes active.

Deadline is October 4th, 11 p.m. CEST.
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Post Post #1697 (ISO) » Sat Sep 15, 2012 1:07 am

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BloodCovenent wrote:
Quilford wrote:Also your claim while town is wrong, Ser Panda is not scum. You have interpreted it wrongly.

Tell me how it's wrong? He was not on Jury duty nights 1 or 2. Night 3 he voted SC. SC did not die. Therefore Ser Panda killed someone at night.

I think if the scum do in fact have the power to override the Judge / Jury / Executioner, it's far more likely that they're limited to substituting in a different Defender but retaining the original Guilty / Not Guilty decision. It would be too OP otherwise. You were stupid enough to out today before checking someone else on last night's jury to see whether your theory was absolute crap, which I must say I think it is.

VOTE: Nocmen
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Post Post #1698 (ISO) » Sat Sep 15, 2012 1:09 am

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Blood

The thing I'm facepalming about is you investigating me when you know I'm in the jury with you.

IceGuy wrote:The Jury is made of random players who get a QT and can sentence the defendant to death with a simple majority, otherwise he is acquitted.
Defendants, Judge and Executioner are not called up for jury duty.
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Post Post #1699 (ISO) » Sat Sep 15, 2012 1:10 am

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And the qt clearly says I was one of the ones who convicted Strangercoug.
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