Judge, Jury, and Executioner - Over

[IceGuy]

Vote Count

Ser Panda (4): BloodCovenent, BloodCovenent, guille2015, StrangerCoug

Nocmen (2): WrathChild, AurorusVox
DoomYoshi (2): Knight of Cydonia, BloodCovenent
GreyICE (2): Axelrod, Knight of Cydonia
Sir Bastion (1): Ser Panda
guille2015 (1): GreyICE
BloodCovenent (1): AurorusVox

15

votes are currently not on a player.

StrangerCoug (8): Ser Panda, guille2015, Knight of Cydonia, DCLXVI, WrathChild, GreyICE, Quilford, Quilford
Quilford (8): guille2015, WrathChild, StrangerCoug, StrangerCoug, GreyICE, AurorusVox, GreyICE, DCLXVI

Every player has

3

votes.
With

14

alive, it's

8

to hammer.
There are

42

votes in play,

8

of which are frozen, leaving

34

votes active.

Deadline is October 4th, 11 p.m. CEST.

RedPanda, please remember to log into your hydra account.

[Ser Panda]

ou say I could be linked to strangercoug because we never really crossed (except when he voted me day 1 of course) but then you use the same logic for wrathchild and strangercoug. But me and wrathchild have butted heads so if you are tying all 3 of us together whats the reason we have both avoided strangercoug but not wrathchild and myself? That's faulty logic there. I'd say you are town probably, but it's the faulty logic

I'm sorry this isn't faulty logic.

It could mean one of you and wrathchild are scum.

It could also mean both of you are scum and instead of forcing interactions between multiple scum members , you just pick one and go with that. nothing much has come from your interactions with wrathchild.

I'll be back later to reread some of your posts regarding wrathchild. somethings rubbing me the wrong way. I have this feeling I missed something.

Panda, you are denying being part of any killing activity outside of voting for SC last night, yes?

I wasn't part of anything apart from being in the jury.

I would have interpreted BC's result the same way. The result says that there was blood in their hands, which I interpret as some action that he did resulted in the death of someone. Since his action (Even if Guilty) did not result in the death of SC, then there shouldn't be blood in his hands due to that. Additionally, he could have been the Executioner of Night 2. Or he could have been the scum that influenced the reversal of KoC's decision on Night 1 or the actual killing of MoS on night 3.

All of this can be assumed as having blood in their hands, none are town oriented.

I've had no night activity apart from my jury duty.

Also, my night action was sent in before deliberation phase 3. I believe it had to be in before that.

Has the mod replied back?

did you ask him if a conviction happens and the defendant is still alive if one the people who voted guilty would still have blood on their hands?

Because if the mod says no to the above, then your claim is bullshit.

Also, my night action was sent in before deliberation phase 3. I believe it had to be in before that.

Has the mod replied back?

did you ask him if a conviction happens and the defendant is still alive if one the people who voted guilty would still have blood on their hands?

Because if the mod says no to the above, then your claim is bullshit.

Have you found out yet?

[StrangerCoug]

Mod: I am not voting Nocmen.

[IceGuy]

Mod: I am not voting Nocmen.

Fixed.

[BloodCovenent]

Also, my night action was sent in before deliberation phase 3. I believe it had to be in before that.

Has the mod replied back?

did you ask him if a conviction happens and the defendant is still alive if one the people who voted guilty would still have blood on their hands?

Because if the mod says no to the above, then your claim is bullshit.

Have you found out yet?

Ugh, i miss read my role PM. The mod answered by quoting my role pm. implying that i only get a guilty result on a player that was in jury duty if they had voted the condemned, and the defendant was found guilty. It did not say if they died. I interpreted it wrong, because of the first line of my role explanation.



Yes, that does put a little bit of an asterisk on my result, however i still believe Panda is scum.

[StrangerCoug]

Mod: I am not voting Nocmen.

Fixed.

Could you correct #1711 as well (same mistake)?

Done. -IceGuy

[Knight of Cydonia]

Also, my night action was sent in before deliberation phase 3. I believe it had to be in before that.

Has the mod replied back?

did you ask him if a conviction happens and the defendant is still alive if one the people who voted guilty would still have blood on their hands?

Because if the mod says no to the above, then your claim is bullshit.

Have you found out yet?

Ugh, i miss read my role PM. The mod answered by quoting my role pm. implying that i only get a guilty result on a player that was in jury duty if they had voted the condemned, and the defendant was found guilty. It did not say if they died. I interpreted it wrong, because of the first line of my role explanation.



Yes, that does put a little bit of an asterisk on my result, however i still believe Panda is scum.

Hang on. So... you have no actual evidence that Panda did what you appear to be accusing him of... and the most obvious explanation for the result you got is that blood came up because Ser voted guilty on Coug... but you still think he's scum? Care to explain?

[BloodCovenent]

Also, my night action was sent in before deliberation phase 3. I believe it had to be in before that.

Has the mod replied back?

did you ask him if a conviction happens and the defendant is still alive if one the people who voted guilty would still have blood on their hands?

Because if the mod says no to the above, then your claim is bullshit.

Have you found out yet?

Ugh, i miss read my role PM. The mod answered by quoting my role pm. implying that i only get a guilty result on a player that was in jury duty if they had voted the condemned, and the defendant was found guilty. It did not say if they died. I interpreted it wrong, because of the first line of my role explanation.



Yes, that does put a little bit of an asterisk on my result, however i still believe Panda is scum.

Hang on. So... you have no actual evidence that Panda did what you appear to be accusing him of... and the most obvious explanation for the result you got is that blood came up because Ser voted guilty on Coug... but you still think he's scum? Care to explain?

I accused him of scum based on my priest ability that tracked whether or not he had taken part in killing someone during nights 1,2, or 3. I received a guilty from the mod. The mod does not indicate which night. Because SC did not die, i felt the need to claim and that Panda was guilty. I also misinterpreted the role by that assumption.

But to answer your question. I do have evidence that Panda did what i am accusing him of. However it is slightly tainted.
I chose to investigate Ser Panda because i found him to be pretty scummy in my read through. He was even the one to suggest that Scum had three 1-shot abilities.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Oh, so it doesn't say "Blood on his hands from Night X" it says "Blood on his hands." I assumed from the way you worded it. I dunno... it could refer to the guilty vote Deliberation 3 on Coug... or it could not have counted that because it was submitted before... It's 50/50 at best, and I don't really have anything worse than a null read on either of you (with Panda leaning town before this) to make me go with my gut either way. I need to re-read both slots, I think.

[Ser Panda]

But to answer your question. I do have evidence that Panda did what i am accusing him of. However it is slightly tainted.
I chose to investigate Ser Panda because i found him to be pretty scummy in my read through.

He was even the one to suggest that Scum had three 1-shot abilities.

1) The underlined part is much after than where/why you apparently found me scummy.
2) You still didn't explain why you found me scummy. Repeating "i found him to be pretty scummy in my read through" or just posting links to my posts and putting "scum", or "Ser Panda - Scum, scum, scum" doesn't suddenly enlighten everyone of why you think I'm scum.
3) I suggested that scum have three 1 shot abilities for each override because it makes the most sense? Obv if they overrode both KoC (Exe) and the jury, then it would make most sense that they also have an override for the judge? And having anything more than 1 shot of each is OP to the max? Also, I'm

predicting

what scum might have so we might predict what we're going against?

[BloodCovenent]

But to answer your question. I do have evidence that Panda did what i am accusing him of. However it is slightly tainted.
I chose to investigate Ser Panda because i found him to be pretty scummy in my read through.

He was even the one to suggest that Scum had three 1-shot abilities.

1) The underlined part is much after than where/why you apparently found me scummy.
2) You still didn't explain why you found me scummy. Repeating "i found him to be pretty scummy in my read through" or just posting links to my posts and putting "scum", or "Ser Panda - Scum, scum, scum" doesn't suddenly enlighten everyone of why you think I'm scum.
3) I suggested that scum have three 1 shot abilities for each override because it makes the most sense? Obv if they overrode both KoC (Exe) and the jury, then it would make most sense that they also have an override for the judge? And having anything more than 1 shot of each is OP to the max? Also, I'm

predicting

what scum might have so we might predict what we're going against?

1. It is addition to why i find you scummy.
2. Did you read my whole catch up posts?

Did you just agree with yourself Ser Panda? http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p4204193
-Panda is scummy for jumping on one players mistake and blowing it out of proportion.

Personal attacks by Panda http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p4204224
+scum

Panda on page 10 is acting so scummy in his conversation with Nero and DCL.

Panda to Nero -
-”You still look like an idiot”
-” you’re trying and failing pretty hard to beimpressive”
These feel like personal attacks. Nero found scum here.

Ser Panda with just more and more personal attacks man. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p4207358
+scum

By the end of page 20:
12. Ser Panda * - Scum, scum, scum

Personal attacks from Ser Panda to SC now.... odd for scum-mates to do to each other. (page 21)

3. it just doesn't sit well with me. I've played other large themes, and the second someone mentions a scum roll/ability that no one thought of before, they were instantly lynched and found out to be scum. So when people bring that kind of shit up, it doesn't sit well with me.

[GreyICE]

Unvote: Stranger Coug

Vote: Ser Panda

Guille needs to dieeee, panda. And you didn't say a damn thing about him in the Jury QT. So I'm fine with you dying too.

[Knight of Cydonia]

...how do you propose to unvote for someone already hammered, GreyICE?

[Ser Panda]

GreyIce also seems to have 4 votes on the board.

needs fixing mod

you wound me Greyice.

You promised to sheep me in the jury qt.

Guile is a town read of mine.

What are your reads on wrathchild and sir bastion?

[IceGuy]

Vote Count

Ser Panda (4): BloodCovenent, BloodCovenent, guille2015, StrangerCoug

Nocmen (2): WrathChild, AurorusVox
DoomYoshi (2): Knight of Cydonia, BloodCovenent
GreyICE (2): Axelrod, Knight of Cydonia
Sir Bastion (1): Ser Panda
guille2015 (1): GreyICE
BloodCovenent (1): AurorusVox

15

votes are currently not on a player.

StrangerCoug (8): Ser Panda, guille2015, Knight of Cydonia, DCLXVI, WrathChild, GreyICE, Quilford, Quilford
Quilford (8): guille2015, WrathChild, StrangerCoug, StrangerCoug, GreyICE, AurorusVox, Axelrod, DCLXVI

Every player has

3

votes.
With

14

alive, it's

8

to hammer.
There are

42

votes in play,

8

of which are frozen, leaving

34

votes active.

Deadline is October 4th, 11 p.m. CEST.

Unvote: Stranger Coug

Vote: Ser Panda

You can't unvote a hammered player. Ignored.

needs fixing mod

Fixed.

[Sir Bastion]

My role is the town Priest. My ability is essentially a tracker, it's called Take Confession. I request information on a player and am told if they have taken part in killing anyone throughout all nights. I am not told specific nights though.

I dont believe the claim at all

vote blood covenent x 2

The most simple reason being that if this role was true Gooner could have checked KOC either night 2 or 3, in fact

HE SHOULD HAVE

we had 2 days of players debating over an issue he could have resolved and instead he was doing *reaction tests*

thats bullsh*t.

Gooner was not playing as someone with this sort of power

More so if you consider KOC has never been on jury duty then this is an open and close case. If what KOC claimed day 2 was true then he would have come back clean.

There is no excuse for not using this power on KOC

And when I iso Gooner this looks even dodgier, he never even discussed the KOC claim. In fact his only comment was this

Now I'm bloody annoyed this came after my reads post because it throws my thoughts on KOC into question.

N1: The Shadow - Nothing
N2: Mastermind of Sin - Nothing (meaning he pardoned Noc N1, i believe,)
N3: Ser Panda - There was blood on his hands

Night 2 does not make sense at all as a choice.

Lynch this scum!

[Knight of Cydonia]

...that's a damn good catch. But surely it makes more sense to lynch the person he claims to have a pseudo-guilty on, rather than lynching the role itself? That way if he IS telling the truth, we still have an actual PR.

[Sir Bastion]

...that's a damn good catch. But surely it makes more sense to lynch the person he claims to have a pseudo-guilty on, rather than lynching the role itself? That way if he IS telling the truth, we still have an actual PR.

well now i know where my third vote goes (thanks for destroying all confidence I had in reading players)

vote Knight of Cydonia

[IceGuy]

Vote Count

Ser Panda (4): BloodCovenent, BloodCovenent, guille2015, StrangerCoug

BloodCovenent (3): AurorusVox, Sir Bastion, Sir Bastion
Nocmen (2): WrathChild, AurorusVox
DoomYoshi (2): Knight of Cydonia, BloodCovenent
GreyICE (2): Axelrod, Knight of Cydonia
Sir Bastion (1): Ser Panda
guille2015 (1): GreyICE
Knight of Cydonia (1): Sir Bastion

12

votes are currently not on a player.

StrangerCoug (8): Ser Panda, guille2015, Knight of Cydonia, DCLXVI, WrathChild, GreyICE, Quilford, Quilford
Quilford (8): guille2015, WrathChild, StrangerCoug, StrangerCoug, GreyICE, AurorusVox, Axelrod, DCLXVI

Every player has

3

votes.
With

14

alive, it's

8

to hammer.
There are

42

votes in play,

8

of which are frozen, leaving

34

votes active.

Deadline is October 4th, 11 p.m. CEST.

[DoomYoshi]

VOTE: BCov
VOTE: BCov

[Ser Panda]

...that's a damn good catch. But surely it makes more sense to lynch the person he claims to have a pseudo-guilty on, rather than lynching the role itself? That way if he IS telling the truth, we still have an actual PR.

What?

His guilty on me is dumb.

He investigated me knowing he would get a guilty no matter what.
If he investigated greyice he would get a guilty.
if he investigated the other guy who voted to convict he would get a guilty.

Are you seriously telling me it makes more sense to lynch his guilty because this guy says he believes the guilty I got is from something else?

I was fucking pretty confident that either this guy was making a mistake or his claim was bullshit.
And yeah he asked the mod and then got told that he was making a mistake.

That said I don't think this guy's scum. I don't see this guy making a gambit like this to get me lynched.

[Knight of Cydonia]

...that's a damn good catch. But surely it makes more sense to lynch the person he claims to have a pseudo-guilty on, rather than lynching the role itself? That way if he IS telling the truth, we still have an actual PR.

well now i know where my third vote goes (thanks for destroying all confidence I had in reading players)

vote Knight of Cydonia

...seriously? If you lynch the claimed PR, and it turns out he is as he says, then we have one result from him. That's it. If you lynch the person he claims a result on, and they come up as town, then we have a scum fake-claim unearthed and no more false information being fed into the town, OR if Panda flips scum we have a confirmed town PR. This is exactly the same as with a cop claim - you lynch the guilty, and then you act on that flip. You don't blindly lynch the PR and hope.

[Ser Panda]

The most simple reason being that if this role was true Gooner could have checked KOC either night 2 or 3, in fact HE SHOULD HAVE we had 2 days of players debating over an issue he could have resolved and instead he was doing *reaction tests*

thats bullsh*t.

Gooner was not playing as someone with this sort of power

I understand where you're coming from but there's a simple explanation to this. gooner was a moron who wasn't using his power logically. He's been tunneling on Mos so much that I can just tell that he used his power to try and get a guilty on him.

[Ser Panda]

...that's a damn good catch. But surely it makes more sense to lynch the person he claims to have a pseudo-guilty on, rather than lynching the role itself? That way if he IS telling the truth, we still have an actual PR.

well now i know where my third vote goes (thanks for destroying all confidence I had in reading players)

vote Knight of Cydonia

...seriously? If you lynch the claimed PR, and it turns out he is as he says, then we have one result from him. That's it. If you lynch the person he claims a result on, and they come up as town, then we have a scum fake-claim unearthed and no more false information being fed into the town, OR if Panda flips scum we have a confirmed town PR. This is exactly the same as with a cop claim - you lynch the guilty, and then you act on that flip. You don't blindly lynch the PR and hope.

He isn't a cop.
there is no fucking guilty.
He's pretty obviously town.
I'm pretty obviously town.

Vote KoC
Unvote Sirbastion
Vote KoC

[Ser Panda]

You're just trying to make it a Panda vs blood thing aren't you KoC.