Mini 1370: Possessed Pastors in a Paranoid Parish: Who Won?!

[Amrun]

I am waiting for seilkops to answer a question first. You're making a big assumption that I don't necessarily agree with.

[DeasWave]

95: Calls me scum for copying AP’s town-play, regurgitates another reason that AP used to call me scum, and THEN called AP scummy. I really dislike this. He says hydra is why, and that we can both be scum, but he said I was replicating ap’s “TOWN PLAY” which is just wrong.

Fucking excellent reason to vote DeasWave. Also, what you are picking up on is called "hydra dissonance" and it is generally considered scummy.


Seilkops' defense is quite bad; he is taking Eidolon's analysis and arguing with little parts of it that don't show a real understanding of why it is scummy in the first place. He's missing the point entirely. Not sure how scummy that is.

I'd just like to say that I'm not going to have scumteams in mind at the start of Day 1 (maaaaybe possible connections, but that's it), so if I think there's something scummy about Eidolon with AP-town, then I'm going to mention it, even if AP is another scumread, because I'm not that likely to be right about AP. If I agree with why AP says Eidolon is scum, I'm not going to assume he's scum because I have a scumread, and if they were both scum, it could be a genuinely good reason (although I probably would have thought it unlikely if I thought Eid was replaication AP's play, but I don't remember).

Also, if it hasn't been mentioned yet, I think that the way AP was saying any PR claim would be unlikely could have been a reason for Seil-scum to claim VT.

And, we're town.

[AngryPidgeon]

ITT:

Seil is scum.
Everyone else is a VI.

[seilkops]

Expect a post in about an hour or two, I have to finish up some studying.

[seilkops]

Well, that studying sucked. Anyways,

I'll start by addressing some stuff

Ya this is a good wagon. His ISO shows lots of evidence of interactions without much scum hunting. He references past games a lot which is an easy way to appear to be doing something without really making stances.

Is this about me? Because if it is, I think you are scum. That's all just a straight up lie. I reference past games a lot? What, all 3 games I've actually played in? This is such bullshit. Wait, I don't even think I've completed 3 games yet. So, good job on picking up on all my references to past games. You've got some skills you've got to share with me!

Also clear evidence of faking feelings. He says things but his tone of voice and actions don't really match with that.

"Whenever I lack actual content, I delve into the realm of "tone of voice", where I then declare my expertise and proceed to label players I don't like as scum."
Basically what I got from that. Sorry for the snark, but that's seriously too much. Anybody can come in and say "oh his tone of voice isn't matching what he feels". Prove it.
AP, you've been trying to get a wagon me started since D1. I don't know if you're using Eidolon as a way to accomplish this, or if Eid is actually scum and you are just misguided town. In either case, I want to know why the tunneling.

Listed Empking and Zyrc as both null. Unsure what to make of that.

I didn't read into them almost at all. Why bring this up?

The votes on Eid are just going to produce another claim, and I don't think we want that.

One of my fav scum tells.

Oh? So we want claims? Ok, I'll start.

Guys I'm basically VT.

post 501 is interesting. He is on the IceGuy wagon with me. He almost never mentions Empking/Maemuki at all.

VOTE: Seilkops

Wut? I was the first person ON IceGuy! Granted, I was wrong about him. Still, don't try to act like I followed you in the IceGuy wagon. Which I'm not sure if you're alluding to that since your comments on this post are vague and generally useless. Nice job their scum!

In post 809, seilkops wrote:
Is AP conf town? Cause if he isn't, he might be scum for hopping on such a hole filled wagon.

This seems off to me. What, you can't come to your own opinion of me? Either Im conf-town or Im sketchy for being on the wagon?

Are you up to date on reading? Thoughts on DeasWave?

Oh yeah, that's it. I didn't know if you claimed or anything, since I was behind on my reading. I decided to be lazy, and ask to see if you were. If you weren't (which I see now, you are not confirmed town), I would definitely have suspicions on you jumping on such a leaky boat.

I don't know a whole lot about DeasWave, give me a little.


So. AP seems pretty scummy to me. It is possible he is scum using town Eidolon as a way to push my lynch, which he has been doing this entire game, but I am not sure. I don't know how many scum players their are left, so it

could

be that they are both scum. I really don't think that is such a viable theory though. Still trying to decide who I should go after first. Eid or AP.
Next post will be about Eidolon

[Amrun]

Answer my question, please.

[seilkops]

Laugh all you want at the rc/me analysis, but nearly every post you changed your mind and your justification for why was rather shaky. first you said our interaction looked force, yet you still thought votes on me would lead to a (implied town) claim, and then you justified it by saying our old site was the reason for our interaction, but if i claimed i might just be fake claiming and it wouldn't matter.... those couple posts were straight BS and you know it. If i had to fake claim, i very likely would have been spotted.

I'll go ahead and respond to that since you seem so eager Eid.
-I point out RC/Eid interaction looks forced
-RC claims, everyone puts their vote on you without reasoning
-I defend you in order to prevent a possible PR claim, at the time I was focused on RC more so then you, so I was still unsure if you were scum or town. In any case, claiming wasn't the smart move.
-I bring up the fact that you guys seem like you suck because you've been playing at some other site

I fail to see the contradictions here. Also

you say i'm scum because you don't like my case on you? Okay. Do you have anything else? Because i think my case on you is just fine.

How exactly does a vanilla claim save you like you said it would?

I say you're possibly scum because your "case" on me is crap, and filled with holes. I don't really care if you think your case on me is fine, because it's

your

case.
Sorry, I had no idea who my person was. I wiki'd the name, saw it came from the film Dogma, and basically left it at that. I thought the name would be enough to prove I was town.

^ i didn't even vote for you yet. i haven't decided yet.

if you flip town, then i'll look at ap & deas, and everyone else too..

what's the point of asking me that? especially if you think im scum?

The key word in here is "think", Eid. I want to know what your plan is when I flip town.

Everyone keeps acting I'm missing some huge point in Eid's case. I'm obviously either missing something, or everyone else is retarded. Hopefully, it's the former so someone should feel free to point out that missing point.

Why did you think claiming would get the wagon off you? Why did you say this?

Also, why did you need to wiki your name?

Why so many questions?

[Quilford]

Sorry, I had no idea who my person was. I wiki'd the name, saw it came from the film Dogma, and basically left it at that. I thought the name would be enough to prove I was town.

Uh, I also had no idea who my person was (well, a very small idea), but my role PM told me what film it was and what role my character played so you'll have to excuse me if I think this sounds like a scum fakeclaim

[Quilford]

Do you really think Quilford could bus his last buddy on D2 and expect to win?

It's within the realm of possibility. Like I said, I'm not going to vote him right now on it. But we shouldn't give him a 100% certified townpass for this.

~ DW

No it isn't; yes you should.

[Quilford]

Maaaaan Eidolon's ISO is bad.

[Quilford]

UNVOTE: because DeasWave isn't scum anymore.

[DeasWave]

Why so many questions?

Because I want to better read you?

You're not really doing yourself any favours by not answering.

[DeasWave]

Oh never mind you did.

[seilkops]

Sorry, I had no idea who my person was. I wiki'd the name, saw it came from the film Dogma, and basically left it at that. I thought the name would be enough to prove I was town.

Uh, I also had no idea who my person was (well, a very small idea), but my role PM told me what film it was and what role my character played so you'll have to excuse me if I think this sounds like a scum fakeclaim

Yeah, it said he was from the film Dogma. Good thing I've watched that movie! Oh wait...

[Amrun]

Answer my question, please.

[AngryPidgeon]

I don't know if you're using Eidolon as a way to accomplish this

How am I using Eidolon to accomplish this?

[AngryPidgeon]

I want to know why the tunneling.

Did I not push Eidolon really hard earlier??

[AngryPidgeon]

Sorry, I had no idea who my person was. I wiki'd the name, saw it came from the film Dogma, and basically left it at that. I thought the name would be enough to prove I was town.

Vote it up people, this isn't rocket science.

[seilkops]

I am waiting for seilkops to answer a question first. You're making a big assumption that I don't necessarily agree with.

What question?

[AngryPidgeon]

Why is your name claim enough to stop the wagon on you.

[Eidolon]

Sorry, I had no idea who my person was. I wiki'd the name, saw it came from the film Dogma, and basically left it at that. I thought the name would be enough to prove I was town.

This doesn't make any sense to me. I figured mafia should know this as well. The movies are in the pm's....

but you completely ignored the point everyone has been asking about why you said your claim would clear you, and then you claim VT.

You've got to be scum

Vote: Seilkops

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this puts him at l-1

[Eidolon]

Sorry. you did answer the question, it was overshadowed by the fail of a sentence in front of it... but it still doesn't make sense. why would a name clear you? wtf?

[Eidolon]

Maaaaan Eidolon's ISO is bad.

We can talk about it, if you want.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Having reviewed Siel’s ISO I’m happy with my vote.

First off both flipped scum (Zyrc and Empking) chose to completely ignore the pressure and discussion of Seil “Hey, I’m RVSing Angry”. Personally I would have expected at least one of them to have taken a stand in either direction if he was Town. The fact that they both blithely ignore it and choose to provide pressure in other areas indicates to me they didn’t want to bring attention to it which I would expect from scum wanting to soft-defend a partner.

His lack of interactions with both also make me very comfortable as does his choice to skip hammering Mae with deadline looming in hours.

Wagon is go!

[AngryPidgeon]

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